Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Tim Mcleans mom wants to know why???

Bus victim's mom demands answers from RCMP

'Why didn't they do something,' grieving mother wants to know

Carol deDelley remembers her initial reaction when she heard that a man had been savagely stabbed and beheaded on a Greyhound bus bound for Winnipeg.

Nearly 24 hours after the incident began on July 30, deDelley's former husband, Tim 'Bim' McLean reached her at home with the news. "Don't say that. Don't say that," deDelley kept repeating.

The news media camped outside McLean's Winnipeg home, and it was reporters - not the RCMP - that had broken the news to Tim's father.
Of course, shock sets in. "But then, at a point, you get angry and you start questioning. Well, why did this take so long? Why did it take so long to be notified?"
Later the RCMP would tell her that while Tim had ID, they needed to be sure it was him before contacting the family. They did that by matching him to his tattoos, which took time.
Now that she and her husband, Tim deDelley, have returned home from spreading some of her son's ashes in the peace and wild beauty of the Canadian Rockies, deDelley has questions about the way the RCMP handled the standoff with Tim's accused killer, Vince Li, on July 30.
Li is accused of the stabbing death, decapitation and - as deDelley later learned - the cannibalization of her son. The later indignity having happened as passengers, and apparently Mounties, looked on as if they were watching a horror movie instead of a crime in progress.
Her question to the Mounties from rural Manitoba who rushed to the scene just west of Portage la Prairie - and the emergency response team that helped surrounded the Greyhound bus - is "what took them so long?"
Why did they wait so long with the man trapped on the bus? Especially because the cannibalizing was a crime in progress.
deDelley said an RCMP officer told her that the estimated time between the escape of the Greyhound passengers and driver, and trapping the killer on the bus - with the man finally exiting through a window - was about three hours.
"Why didn't they do something in that three hours, rather than having my son locked in with this maniac who, there was no question, had done this? And (they) allowed him to defile my son's body in the way that he did? What was their game plan? Why did they wait for him to throw himself out a window or fall out of it?"

I am so glad to see the mother asking this question and I hope to god, she gets some answers.

I myself have asked this question, and others who have left responses here have asked this question. The media didn't see fit to ask that question, instead I recall the most irritating article from the National Post, about their being no "let's roll" moment on the bus! This editorial annoyed me to no end, along with numerous comments posted on line about the "cowardly passengers". I am of another mindset.

One interesting item from the article Tim McLeans mother believes the RCMP has, as quoted:

"They have a preservation of life policy, I believe."

Given the rcmp's past actions that is doubtful.

She has issues with the time line, well so do I.

First I have to gather my thoughts and blog with a cooler head.

17 comments:

  1. Surprise surprise...

    The cops fail to 'protect'.

    Pen, it's not their job.

    Never really has been. It should be the job of community - but we've disassembled that.

    She's right to question what took them so long. They should've thrown in some tear gas (afterall - it's good enough for protestors) and then shot the bugger when he ran out.

    End of saga.

    Taxpayer cost: a couple of bullets.

    (OMG I sound so rednecked! :O)

    ~ Buffers

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  2. I vaguely wonder if he wasn't left free to carry on so that people like us would demand that the RCMP be more pro-active. Do the RCMP have tasers? Is there an argument running now about how the RCMP needs more tasers? Or a freer hand in using them? I also wonder if this case might not be used later to justify shooting people involved in a crime but not threatening any police. 'After the Vince Li thing we're not going to stand around and let criminals carry on. We expect the Canadian people will understand...'

    I'm a cynical bastard aren't I?

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  3. JUST A QUESTION RIGHT NOW IF ANYONE KNOWS, AS I TRY NOT GOING INTO MY DISPLACED BEHAVIOUR OVER THIS BIZARRE CASE AGAIN, ALONG WITH PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.

    JUST THINKING. I AM TRYING TO VISUALIZE OR RATIONALIZE THE BEHAVIOUR OF ALL CONCERNED AT THAT TIME, INCLUDING THE POLICE, AND SORT OF TRYING TO PUT MYSELF IN THEIR PLACE. NONE OF US BEING SUPER HUMAN, EXCEPT FOR............

    THE AMOUNT OF SHOCK THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN SUCH A BRUTAL ACT IN OUR COUNTRY, OR ANYWHERE, WOULD BE UNDESCRIBABLE. THERE ARE REALLY NO WORDS.

    I JUST WONDERED IF THE GREYHOUND BUSES HAVE BULLET PROOF WINDOWS AND DOORS.

    Don't laugh yet!

    COULD THE POLICE HAVE GOT A GOOD SHOT AT THIS LI, OTHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE DOOR OF THE BUS? (knowing they could have used tear gas) Good idea! 3 HOURS?????

    AFTER ALL THE OTHER PASSENGERS WERE OFF THE BUS, (ASSUMING THE BUS WAS NOT STILL RUNNING WHEN THE DRIVER & PASSENGERS GOT OUT) WAS THERE ANY, OR ADEQUATE LIGHT IN THE BUS?

    WERE THEY USING FLASHLIGHTS TO WATCH WHAT WAS GOING ON UNTIL THE COPS GOT THERE? I AM SURE THE COPS HAD SPOTLIGHTS AIMING AT THAT BUS.

    HOW LONG DID IT TAKE FOR THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM (SWAT TEAM) TO GET THERE, BESIDES THE REGULAR COPS?

    THE MAJORITY OF COP CARS TODAY, ARE EQUIPPED WITH VIDEO CAMERAS. ALSO, A GOOD MAJORITY OF PEOPLE CARRY CELL PHONES, A LOT WITH CAMERAS.

    I WONDER HOW MANY PICTURES WERE TAKEN AT THIS BIZARRE, HORRIFIC HAPPENING. THERE HAD TO BE SOME.

    WHEN WILL THEY SURFACE?????

    JUST WONDERING.

    It was also posted that Tim McLean and Vince Li at onetime were living or working on the same street in Winnipeg. Has anyone else seen this?

    Effie


    EFFIE

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  4. hey nobody: oh yeah the rcmp have tasers and the arguement now, is they are taser crazy, as they have been tasing people and killing them for no apparent reason, Canada has held an investigation tribunal on there use and abuse by the rcmp.

    You are a cynical bastard, indeed.

    But then, people say that about me and heck maggie wears that tag with pride!

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  5. hey effie:
    glad to see you back, I don't know about the bullet proof glass on the bus, I don't think so and it seems doubtful, to expensive.

    I think the cops could have easily shot Vince Li through the window, or any of the other options, tear gas, taser.

    Some of your other questions arrival time and such are in my new post.

    I just can't help but feel, there was some reason this was left to go on, to put the fear into Canadians.

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  6. Hey Effie,

    Less caps mate! They be hard on the eye, you know.

    There's no way known bus windows are bullet proof. Bullet proof glass is about an inch thick and weighs a ton. Those armoured cars are specially built, cost a fortune, and guzzle fuel like you wouldn't believe (on account of the weight).

    Otherwise he only had a knife you know. I see no reason at all that the cops couldn't merely wait until he was standing away from the door, open it and walk in guns drawn. Simple stuff. 'Put the knife down or we shoot.'

    I saw a thing on the TV in Australia not so long ago where three cops with riot shields (no body armour) rushed a guy with a samurai sword. It worked a treat and no one was hurt. And between a samurai sword and knife, I know which I'd rather face.

    Frankly I wonder at the passengers. Were any of them harmed at all? Did they all get past Li without getting stabbed or cut? Sure looks like it. How did that happen? Was Li even paying any attention to them? You'd have to wonder. And apparently it didn't occur to a single one of them to punch Li in the back of the neck or crack him over the head with a coke bottle.

    It's possible there was no opportunity for bravery. Or maybe there just wasn't any bravery. I got my money on the latter.

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  7. Hi Penny:

    Sorry about the CAPS Nobody. It was my displaced behaviour working away. They made me feel like I was shouting. lol I have been reading up on Laurel Canyon, Dave McGowan, McVeigh, and etc.......Nothing surprises me. It all fits. It was either you or Penny that had made mention that when something happens that is unbelievable, people have a tendency to just let it pass or eventually just put it aside. But, this case with Li, has brought a whole new punch that just seems to keep gnawing away. I was on a ferry the other day, and while I was sitting on there, I just looked around and started thinking about what happened to Tim McLean, feeling it was 'just the start' of something that could happen anywhere.

    The reason that I asked about whether or not the buses had bullet proof windows was because over a number of years there have been a series of buses, cars and trucks that have been shot at on the roads and highways. Just came to mind.

    I am extremely curious about how long it took the first attending cops to realize that Li was not going to surrender before they got on the blower to get their ERT Team there to take over a situation that was not being handled.

    'What time was the Emergency Response Team called, and when did they get there'

    This bothers me a lot, because I do know that there are a lot of cops that hesitate to contact the tactical units, because they like to be able to handle situations themselves. This happens a lot in big cities.

    As you know, the tactical teams are usually highly trained, hand-picked individuals who are called in to do the police force's dirty work, who would prefer to resolve a situation by talk rather than force. They also have to be ready to shoot to kill.

    In this case, they could not have saved poor Tim McLean, but at least they had the capability to take control over the situation with Li, in a more timely manner, dead or alive.

    But, if the ERT was not contacted immediately or again in a timely manner, how could they do this. The ERT take their orders from their own commander.

    Then we have to look at the mentality of the person or persons in command at that time. It is my experience in the western provinces with the RCMP, to usually only have one or two officers on at night holding the fort, and then if something happens, they pull in backup help.

    I give a lot of praise to the tactical units, with the ETF Emergency Task Force in Toronto coming to mind. One of the finest of it's kind. A highly trained unit, that uses time, psychology and tear gas to resolve potentially deadly situations. I know some of these boys. There was a time when only the tactical units had the use of tasers and stun guns. (another subject)

    For Nobody: I know that Li only had a knife, and I most definitely agree. "Drop the knife, or your out of here!" A quick shot with a infra red snipers rifle. Maybe they thought he had other weapons, and perhaps they were in shock from the graphic scene and were scared shitless. Cops aren't super human, only polititions.

    Maybe they were waiting for Li to kill himself. But he didn't........

    Li no doubt was a very physically strong person, and what he did seemed to happen very quickly and in a way that you would almost think he had done it before......

    I am also very perplexed over some of the guys sitting close to Tim when this happened. We weren't there and I am sure everyone was in shock and taken by surprise, the whole scene being so horrific.
    There is still a twist in there.

    I think that I will take a little peek at Putin's pinup pic......

    Effie

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  8. Hey Nobody:
    It really was a miracle that no one else got hurt in this ordeal on the bus. Especially that one guy that jumped over seats to notify the driver and passengers that Tim was getting stabbed, then suddenly remembered that he left his wife back there. I believe he is the guy that is saying Tim was a hero, and how Tim tried to fight Li off which helped save him and his wife's life. I don't buy these stories. Tim was the target for whatever reason, and no one tried to help him. I am sure that poor Tim didn't know what hit him, and I too believe somebody should have tried something. The scene would have been pretty graphic for sure.
    If I have it right, that person was a military guy, but when interviewed he stated that he couldn't discuss that. HELLO! If he had military training, he must have known a few moves.
    Maybe he was an international spy.lol or maybe he was stoned. Who knows!
    Apparently Li had eye contact with this guy just before he attacked Tim. Hey, I am really not throwing stones here, but it does make a person wonder.

    Another passenger so easily could have been left behind or trapped on that bus with Li. Thank God there wasn't. The police would have to do some fancy footwork if that had of been the case.

    I still can't make myself believe that this was random. I feel that Tim was his target for whatever reason, and maybe we will never know.

    Effie

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  9. hey effie: have you heard mention of any of the passengers talking since the incident?

    I haven't.

    What did you think of the timelines in the other post?


    between me and you I wonder about the initial reporting of Tim Mclean as native as one possible reason, for the lack of response.

    2ndly: the carnival worker angle also leaves me wondering?
    think of the stereotypical wandering carnival worker?????

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  10. Thanks Effie

    And sorry? The guy who'd had eye contact just before McLean was stabbed was a military guy who 'couldn't talk about that'? Big alarm bells! This story just gets wronger and wronger.

    I was prepared to concede that maybe the reason we saw no bravery from anyone on this bus was because they were kids, or old people, or (no offense) women. But this guy was military? I just shake my head...

    Given the ton of screwy monkey business attached to this story, I'd wonder if this guy's 'wife' isn't merely bullshit. Did anyone else attest to her presence? If he was some variation of the girl in the polka dot dress's consort (ala RFK) it stands to reason he be making shit up. He's already told us he's some variation of spook.

    God, this Li thing stinks to high heaven don't it?

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  11. Hi Penny & Nobody:
    The main fellow that was interviewed many times, and right this moment I forget his name, was the only one I believe that they have a lengthy video on. His video was plastered everywhere. When he was being interviewed by one source, (the main reporter assigned to the case) he was asked why he didn't try and help Tim being the big guy that he was. He said that he tried to get this other guy to help him but he wouldn't. In fact, I believe the reporter even asked him his weight. Then the reporter asked him if he was the person that had been in the military. The guy had answered yes and said, something to the effect that he didn't want to discuss that. He was probably shooting a line just to feel important, or maybe not. The guy seemed a bit of an airhead to me. This guy was interviewed alot.
    There was one other guy from the bus that was interviewed on video, who kept referring to Li as Buddy did this, and Buddy did that, while he was acting out what had gone on.
    But, the first one above I saw him so many times on the news, that I got sick of listening to him.

    I am sure that you must have seen that video. I will find it and send it onto you. There was only one reporter that asked him about being in the military and that was the main dude assigned to the case
    in Manitoba for the news.

    I will get back to you later about the timelines. I found a few more which make it even more screwy.
    The timeline on Li before getting onto the bus in Erickson Aug 6, Globe and Mail has really got me shaking my head. I will send that also. Info on that one that I never heard before.

    NOBODY, I agree too about that guys wife perhaps being a crock, or maybe she wasn't sitting with him, and instead she was the one sitting with Li at the front of the bus?????? You think!

    Effie

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  12. Hey Penny:
    The interview that I was referring to was with Garnet Caton which is on your post. I just listened to it, and he did mention that he had military training briefly to the reporter. I could hardly make it out, something to do with five days training, not sure. On this interview he was receptive to the the question about the military but brief. He was asked on another interview about being in the military, whereas he said that he didn't want to discuss it.
    The reporter asked him if he was travelling with someone and he apparently was not. He was travelling alone.
    Therefore, the guy with a wife that was sitting close by, must be a different guy, and the one that apparently had eye contact with Li. He is the guy that has sent letters into the papers stating that Tim McLean saved his life along with his wife. I do not believe he has been interviewed on video, but his letters honouring Tim have been published. He is also the one that apparently jumped over seats to get out of there, and had to go back for his wife.
    By the way there are several videos on Garnet Caton, one being on your post, and a long version on Utube.
    I guessed I have these guys a little confused.

    Time to take a look at Putin's 6 pack. lol
    I saw a close-up of Putin's hand, and he even has a 6 pack on each finger lol He wouldn't need knuckle dusters. NOBODY will know what those are.

    effie

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  13. EVENTS RE LI IN ERICKSON
    Penny, please read through and delete anything you don't need here or on my other comments.

    There are so many confusing things here. They have the young boy Dennis that bought the laptop mixed up with the guy with the M&M store etc. Also, info about the contents found on that laptop that had not been mentioned before, or at least I had never seen. I had heard that the kid had erased a lot of stuff on there.
    And I still do not know how the police found out about the laptop so soon. Something rotten in Denmark.

    This was from the globe and mail Aug. 6. Perhaps you already saw this.

    Meanwhile, new details have emerged about how Mr. Li spent the 24 hours before Mr. McLean was killed, including that he spent a night on a public bench, sold a laptop to a teenager that contained personal letters and photos, as well as a note that expressed feelings of guilt at leaving China, and confusion about life in Canada.

    Mr. Li first stepped off the Greyhound bus from Edmonton in the tiny western Manitoba town of Erickson, population 456, just before 6 p.m. last Tuesday, July 29
    He strode across the street from the convenience store, which doubles as a bus depot, carrying *five pieces of luggage under his arms. He was wearing small black sunglasses, a green shirt and a hat, and looked perfectly put together, like a businessman, said Darren Beatty, a 15-year-old student who works at a local gas station.

    “The whole time I seen him he never took off his sunglasses,” Mr. Beatty said.

    He watched him sit down on a shaded wooden bench next to the Co-Op grocery on Main Street, arranging his bags around him and resting his arms as though he were sitting in an arm chair.

    He didn't move for the next three hours.

    *Around 9 p.m., he walked into the M and M store, where David Dauphinais's husband Darren was working alone. ??

    Mr. Li hung around for what felt like ages, making Darren extremely uncomfortable. He called his husband, saying he was afraid to walk home. ??

    “He was really freaked out,” Mr. Dauphinais said. “He said there was something about this guy that made the hair on the back of his neck stand up. ??

    -so why didn't he call the fuzz

    “Darren's a treaty Indian. When Darren gets nervous about somebody, I listen.”

    Mr. Dauphinais rushed back from a meeting, only to find that Mr. Li had left the store when another customer walked in.

    That night neither could sleep, fretting about the mysterious stranger. Mr. Dauphinais got out of bed at 3 a.m. and went down to check on his store. He saw Mr. Li sitting across the street, bolt upright on the bench, eyes wide open.

    The following morning, Mr. Beatty was riding his bike when he saw a laptop on the curb. The screen was open and a hand-written sign said “$600 for sale, or best offer.”

    He circled on his bike, noted the brand-new Acer 4200, and approached Mr. Li.

    He offered $100, then immediately lowered it to $50. Mr. Li contemplated for a moment.

    “That's probably enough to get you a bus ticket,” Mr. Beatty said. They settled on $60, plus a bag.

    “I just thought he was a guy having a hard time,” he said, adding he never felt threatened. “He seemed lost. As I was talking to him about [the laptop] he muttered something about America. He had a thick accent so it was hard to understand.

    “He seemed really happy to get some money in his hand.”

    Mr. Beatty brought the computer home, and, after returning to get the password from Mr. Li (it was 7777), he unwittingly opened a window on the world of a man who would soon become one of Canada's most notorious accused killers.

    **He found more than 20 resumes, each tailored to a specific job application. One was for a police service, one for McDonald's, one for Wal-Mart. He also found dozens of photos that he assumed were taken by Mr. Li, including several of a black military plane that he thought were taken by an amateur in mid-air. There were photos of a formal Chinese military parade, and others of Chinese models in clothes, and some of mountains in British Columbia.

    There was a letter in Mandarin, translated with Google translator, which seemed to be addressed to someone back in China. It said he was happy to be free, living under beautiful, free skies, but that he felt guilty for leaving China, and that everything in Canada was not as he expected, Mr. Beatty said.

    Mr. Li, who recently worked as a newspaper deliveryman, immigrated to Canada in 2001 under the federal skilled worker program, though it's not known whether it was Mr. Li or his wife Anna who qualified. He's believed to be a Canadian citizen.

    On the morning after the attack, Mr. Beatty got a call from the RCMP at work, saying an incident had occurred involving the man who sold him his laptop. An officer visited his home and seized the computer, saying he might get restitution but wasn't likely to get the laptop back. ???

    “I asked the cop, “Did he use my money to buy a weapon? But he said, ‘No, not that we know of,' ” Mr. Beatty said.

    Mr. Li returned to the M and M store around 1:30 p.m. Mr. Dauphinais said he stood waiting in an alley behind the store for the next 41/2 hours for the bus to arrive.

    Just before 6 p.m., he boarded the Greyhound in Erickson, not Brandon as several witnesses reported, and sat down near the front. After a cigarette break in Brandon, he moved to the back and sat next to Mr. McLean.

    Penny, had you already seen this. I heard about a good part of this, but not all the detail about the the laptop etc.

    Effie

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  14. ANYONE BELIEVE THIS GARNET CATON GUY?
    This came from a blog 'Discover Vancouver' which backs up what I had heard about the Caton being in the Military in some capacity:

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    Aug 5 2008, 11:25 AM Post #7

    No i do not believe this guy. If this guy was close by and first heard the initial scream, then that should have been the first stab, but Caton says that it was around 40-50 times. If this was the first stab, then why not jump up and try to do something, like everyone says Catib had military training. I think that Caton was one of the people on drugs, like reported by Tim Mclean that people were taking ecstasy. And he has the nerve to speak in front of those cameras and tell us what happened.

    And now we find out about this girl Stacey who the animal sat and talked with for about an hour after he boarded at Brandon, then changes seats at the last rest stop.

    No, something is amiss here and I hope we get some answers. And FKU Li, the mental health facility is for people that need and want help, not for cannibals like yourself. Send the animal back to China and let the Chinese torture him because this country is too cowardly to do it ourselves.

    a little more trivia
    Effie

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  15. Re: beheading killer: ""I have to stay on the bus forever." Quote

    You mean that Li was kicked out of the Erikson grocery by a pair of homosexual racists?:

    "Around 9 p.m., he walked into the M&M store, where David Dauphinais's husband Darren was working alone.

    Mr. Li hung around for what felt like ages, making Darren extremely uncomfortable. He called his husband, saying he was afraid to walk home.

    "He was really freaked out," David said. "He said there was something about this guy that made the hair on the back of his neck stand up.

    "Darren's a treaty Indian. When Darren gets nervous about somebody, I listen."

    What kind of fucked up place is Winnipeg Manitoba?
    --------------------

    I thought the same when I read that article.
    Effie

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  16. An Interesting Article

    Don't be ruled by fear
    By Michael Salo
    Friday August 08, 2008Outrage, disgust, bewilderment, and fear are reactions befitting the gruesome murder of Tim McLean Jr. by Vince Weiguang Li onboard a Greyhound bus bound to Winnipeg from Edmonton on July 30.
    Li began viciously stabbing the 22 year-old Winnipeg man as he slept in the seat next to him, on his way home from running games in an Edmonton carnival. The attacker eventually cut off his victim’s head and held it up to taunt the rest of the aghast passengers.
    The killing’s randomness and savagery has grabbed the public’s attention. With the murder fresh in their minds, passengers have described it in frightening detail to the media. Li is reported to have stabbed his victim, with robotic repetition, over 50 times. It’s like something straight from one of Hollywood’s most depraved slasher movies.
    Some of the best onscreen scares take cues from real life, and movie-watchers walk out of the theatre a little jumpy and left with a nagging “what-if?” feeling.
    A knife can be frightening enough. What if some deranged maniac brings a gun onto a bus and snaps halfway between Saskatoon and Brandon?
    Some online commentators have criticized the Greyhound’s passengers for not intervening as Li attacked McLean. A few people are saying that Canada’s gun control laws are to blame. If the driver or any of the other passengers had been packing, then Li could have been stopped easily. They seem oblivious to the possibility of Li himself having a gun, giving him the ability to kill and injure (but not necessarily decapitate) many more than just McLean.
    Fortunately, there haven’t been any reported cases of mass-shootings onboard buses in Canada. But we’ve been exposed to the plausibility of death coming for us as we ride the bus.

    There is of course the classic Hollywood bomb-on-bus cliche. Keanu saved us in Speed, and Denzel watched the bus explode in The Siege. All it takes is the right kind of maniac with a little ingenuity and a bad relationship with reality.
    There haven’t been any passenger bus hostage situations on Canadian soil since 1989. A man claiming to have dynamite surrendered peacefully after holding a coach from New York hostage on Parliament hill for several hours.
    People have died on buses, but they usually go quietly, from natural, non-newsmaking causes. More like Rizzo not waking up in Florida in Midnight Cowboy than the poor marshal driving the prison bus in The Fugitive.
    The media is saturating the public with information on the case, releasing the victim’s name before Tim McLean Sr. could contact his wife, who was taking an Alaskan cruise, with the news.
    The ordeal has been picked up by several English-language news services. CNN and MSNBC gave the killing lots of air-time. Papers in the UK, Australia, and India are printing wire stories about Li’s court appearances.
    And every paper from Halifax to Nanaimo is keeping the Canadian public in the loop. There have even been stories about how much media coverage this is getting.
    People are thinking twice about taking the bus now. Questions are being raised about security at bus stations on the prairies. Some are calling for airport-style check points and metal detectors. They’re afraid of future attacks using weapons smuggled aboard buses.
    The fear is understandable, but beefing up bus station security to airport levels would be laughably difficult.
    It might be possible for big-city bus depots, but what about the dozens of rural junction pickups that the coaches make travelling between Edmonton and Winnipeg? Impractical to the point of impossibility. And the extra costs would kill the bus-lines’ profits, as if the price of fuel isn’t already pushing up ticket prices.
    People’s fears are understandable, given the fact that Li had never seen McLean before boarding the bus in Brandon. It was a random killing. But understandable and justifiable aren’t the same thing. Millions of Canadians ride the bus every year, whether to and from work or home to their parent’s place at the end of the summer.
    What happened on July 30 is more horrific than words can aptly describe, and it will be something Canadians won’t ever forget. But we can’t be ruled by fear, and though we should take measures to ensure our safety, we shouldn’t stop living. We need to continue doing things we’ve always done – including riding buses across the country – and don’t let fear rule our lives.

    -Michael Salo is a reporter for the Stonewall Argus and Teulon Times

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  17. No one was there that had made some of these comment. a person does not know how they will react in any of these situations. sitting on a bus and then hearing a commotion but not knowing what is going on. once realizing that there is a problem and you have to get off of the bus (you have to get your child, mother, father, wife or husband, sick relative, aunt or uncle, grand parent, you get them off. most see this scene and realize it is fight or flight, most flight. now, relate this...you are sitting in a restaurant (your favorite) with family and you see someone walking in with a knife or gun, you have time to think...then you react...on the bus, something has already happened and you can not see anything you just hear screaming, and a whole lot of noise that makes you want to flee. two different scenarios and two different reactions due to two different senses kicking in. give each other a break on how a person will react. I know the reaction of someone being attacked ( I was attacked by a coyote at work last month) and if I could see what was coming I would have been able to react differently. Now I get to suffer from PTSD. how kewl is that.

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