Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Greyhound stabbing 2 and the strange role of law enforcement, again!

You know when I caught this story yesterday, I thought, what is up with this!

As anyone knows, or should know by now, during the first stabbing incident on the Greyhound Bus in which Tim McLean was killed by Vince Li, the RCMP did nothing but stand around outside of the bus for nearly 5 hours. No taser, no tear gas, nothing! They in fact moved traumatised passengers to the front of the bus for a better view of this atrocious murder. There is enough information posted on this blog to read all about it, hit the tags at the bottom , you'll find it.

Now this most recent stabbing on a Greyhound, which took place this past Sunday, oddly enough on the bus either bound for/or leaving Winnipeg, depending on which media outlet you read. Tim McLean was going home to Winnipeg.

And, who put the assailant on the bus, the OPP! Including buying the man the bus ticket.

Ont. police put stabbing suspect on Greyhound bus
A man arrested for allegedly stabbing a Greyhound passenger on Sunday was put on the bus in northwestern Ontario by police officers just hours before the attack, other passengers said Monday.
Sgt. Larry Ross with the Wawa municipal police told CBC News that police had helped a man obtain a bus ticket earlier on Sunday, after an earlier encounter with police.

So, this fellow, had been arrested previously, incarcerated, released, went back to the police station, asking for psychological help, he is taken to the hospital by the police, examined by a doctor, who assesses him but "The doctor on duty deemed there was insufficient grounds under the Mental Health Act to detain him, and [he] was subsequently released," Ross said."

Then he is bought a bus ticket and put on the bus by the OPP?

Back up that train!

I do not see why when the man requested psychological help, he was not given the help he himself asked for. I am aware that the mentally ill are entitled to decide for themselves, but it is quite clear he had in fact made that decision and asked for help. Therefore, it would seem it was not necessary under the mental health act to detain him against his will. Since his will was clear, he went to the police station and asked for help, psychological help!

Here is a link to the act:

Mental Health Act Canada

Voluntary admissions

20 (1) A director may admit any person to the designated facility

(a) if the person

(i) has reached 16 years of age and requests admission, or

(ii) is under 16 years of age and a parent or guardian of the person requests that the person be admitted, and

(b) if the director is satisfied that the person has been examined by a physician who is of the opinion that the person is a person with a mental disorder.

Therefore since the attacker was NOT under 16 and had requested psychological help, he should have been admitted. Since he was NOT under 16, a physicians examination was not required.

Since he had requested psychological help, there was no reason for him not to have received it. He had already been arrested for disturbing the peace, had a previous criminal record, was also charged for breach of probation as was reported here

Roberts, from Manitouwadge, about 400 kilometres east of Thunder Bay, was charged with aggravated assault and two counts of breach of probation.

After the attack, he asked to be left off of the bus and was found wandering on the highway.

None of this makes a bit of sense. To buy a bus ticket for a criminal, with what kind of criminal history, who acknowledges being mentally unstable??? It leaves me scratching my head.


  1. You raise a good point. I don't know what happened in this case, but I can say that it is very common for people who WANT help to be refused admission to psychiatric hospitals. The reason is, most hospitals are constantly filled up, and psychiatrists give priority to people REFUSING help. Basically, most psychiatrists believe that if you're refusing treatment you're probably "sicker" than the person who is asking for treatment, and so most beds are mainly reserved for people who are being committed and coercively or forcibly treated. In this case, then, if the psychiatrist didn't believe the man was "certifiable", then that effectively made his condition (in the psychiatrist's mind at least) less of an "emergency" than that of other patients.

  2. Whoa, I had read this story but must have missed the part about the police actually buying him a ticket, even after he asked for psychological help? That's insane. I'm glad to hear the victim wasn't injured too badly. Maybe it's good that this happened, so it will help fuel the McLean family's lawsuit. I read lots of sources saying that suing the bus company and the police was stupid, but all you have to do is just look at this incident and you realize it's a completely legitimate lawsuit.

  3. Good grief.

    And yet the coppers want even more blanket powers!!

    No wonder I have ZERO respect for them and their jack-booted ways.

    Find the coppers who signed off on this and fire them all. Period.

    If I were the dude who was stabbed I would be suing these pigs to the hilt.

    Serve and protect??

    Bwhahahahaha!! Now that's a side splitter!



  4. hello canadian mindscape monitor and thanks for dropping in.

    To my knowledge, a person is entitled to refuse help,and to refuse hospitalisation, and cannot be held.

    How could a doctor coercively force a patient? What empowers them to do so?

    Because, like any other person, they can refuse treatment.

    i must say, if this is how psychiatrists think, they must be the crazies, some people will realize when something is wrong and this guy cleary did. He went back to police station and asked for help, which he should have received.
    I don't know what role the doctor played in this, wether he relied on testimony from the police, if he did, he should not have. His priority should have been a patient asking for help.