Tuesday, April 21, 2009

Precendent setting "Pirate" trial in New York

Hmmm, what is this all about?
Is it a show trial for the American audience?
Another brown muslim for them to hate?
A face to an enemy?

If so, this is pathetic. As pathetic as the entire fearsome pirate farce.

Officials say he is 18? How the hell would they know that?

"It is rare for Somalis to have formal birth records, and U.S. officials did not say on what basis they believe him to be 18 or older."

"Officials have said the accused pirate is at least 18, meaning that prosecutors will not have to take extra legal steps to try him as an adult in a United States court."

So with no formal records to go on, how could the US claim he is an adult??

I guess they will make it up as they go along?? Like Iraq intelligence?

On the other hand-

His parents say he is 16.
His mother says she had him 16 years ago.
The teenager cannot speak English.
Muse's parents, who live in Africa, asked Omar Jamal to help acquire a lawyer for their son. Jamal says Muse does not speak English and is confused with the situation.

Ron Kuby, a New York-based civil rights lawyer, said he has been in discussions about forming a legal team to represent the Somalian.

"I think in this particular case, there's a grave question as to whether America was in violation of principles of truce in warfare on the high seas," said Kuby. "This man seemed to come onto the Bainbridge under a flag of truce to negotiate. He was then captured. There is a question whether he is lawfully in American custody and serious questions as to whether he can be prosecuted because of his age."

16 comments:

  1. So, they apprehended him after he requested parle??

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  2. you know I was thinking??

    they kidnapped him, he is a minor, would we as parents tolerate someone taking our 16 yr old kid across the world???

    I don't think so?
    I was thinking how arrogant this was.

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  3. Well, you know penny it doesn't matter how old he is, since he is a Somali. They aren't even human yet - goodness look how they harass those poor defenseless little ships!

    No, the whole thing is as it should be, I've been reading the CBC reader comments and everyone in Canada seems to want to see every one of these people killed immediately.

    So, majority rules I suppose.

    The US should be proud, they've captured and no doubt will torture this young boy - I'm bristling myself with pride at how Canada is on board. It's time we just kill anyone who we deem fit to be dead.

    /sarcasm

    Buffy the Bruiser

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  4. I know I know, I’ve heard it all before but the fact remains that piracy on the high seas is a crime and it matters not what the reason for the piracy. By maritime law a ship at sea is quite literally a Sovran state of whatever countries flag she flies and boarding such a ship in an act of piracy is the equivalent of invading that country. You don’t have to like it but that’s just the way it is.

    Now as for the reasons behind the piracy in Somalia that’s something else again, we all know who’s behind it as all one has to do is take a look at a map of Africa. They who control that coast control that which enters the Middle East and they who control that which enters or leaves the Middle East controls the Middle East . The Americans aka Israel have long been trying to take hold of this key place but so far it has not worked because one can’t simply invade another country just for the hell of it or at least so we are told, but if there should be Pirates , an Evil Dictator or perhaps they just didn’t want to join the Mickey mouse Club then that would be enough reason to invade and set up a military base all under the guise of decency and justice much as was done in Iraq and Afghanistan. The same will apply to Iran, it’s just a big game of chess and we know who the players are. The Somalis are just pawns in this game nothing more and as such are completely expendable.

    Having said that I must add albeit sadly that these pirates should be treated as such, no exceptions, as piracy simply cannot be tolerated ever, no matter what the reasons. Fix the problems and the piracy will go away and if it does not then use whatever means necessary. By that I do not mean invading their country, what I mean is that as long as they keep on dry land its cool but should they attack a ship then they should be treated as Pirates and dealt with accordingly, that is to say that they should be hung, no trial no jury no nothing, just a rope.

    I wonder what the powers that be have in mind for Eritrea? They will need that as well to consolidate control of the coast so what could it possibly be? What will they invent this time? Another Evil dictator, El Queda , Nuclear threat, the Taliban, nope been there done that. So what will it be this time? Ah perhaps it will be the Dreaded Illegal Popcorn Vendor’s hell bent on sticking in the teeth of western freedom. Yeah that should work, all of the other bullshit has.

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  5. Silverfish,

    It's interesting you mention Eritrea, since we've already destroyed Iraq and the relics of our own history there, why not level Eritrea somehow - afterall that is where we find so many early hominids and hence much more of 'our' history.

    And of course you are right about Israel - aka the US. This is indeed a powergame on the grand chessboard and we are all pawns.

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  6. I wonder if one of these pirates were caught carrying one of the box cutting knives that took down the three World Trade Centre towers.

    If this was a problem, given that there are only a few aircraft carriers in the world, would a nuclear response be justified ?

    What if a ship was attacked by a whole floatilla of these boats and pirates, what then ?

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  7. Doug, Huh? a whole floatilla of Skiffs attacking a aircraft carrier now that would really be something to see and a nuclear response? Not even the Jews could pull that one off.

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  8. I think it is going to be interesting to see how this pirate trial fares and what precedent comes out of this.

    A precedent no doubt that other nations will be watching.

    A precedent that will no doubt benefit the west

    "The Somalis are just pawns in this game nothing more and as such are completely expendable. "

    I agree with that entirely.

    But no one mentions what our pirates are doing in Somali waters, dumping toxins, overfishing, that is when this ragtag bunch came to be.

    I had an interesting article in my e-mail and i will post it about just this problem.

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  9. this article ties in nicely with the one I had posted back in January, by Jonathan Hariri????
    we are not being told the truth about the pirates

    Why We Don't Condemn Our Pirates in Somalia excerpt:

    "Already by this time, local fishermen in the coastline of Somalia have been complaining of illegal vessels coming to Somali waters and stealing all the fish. And since there was no government to report it to, and since the severity of the violence clumsily overshadowed every other problem, the fishermen went completely unheard. But it was around this same time that a more sinister, a more patronizing practice was being put in motion. A Swiss firm called Achair Parterns, and an Italian waste company called Progresso, made a deal with Ali Mahdi, that they could dump containers of waste material in Somali waters. These European companies were said to be paying Warlords about $3 a ton, where as in to properly dispose of waste in Europe costs about $1000 a ton."

    In 2004, after Tsunami washed ashore several leaking containers, thousand of locals in the Puntland region of Somalia started to complain of severe and previously unreported ailments, such as abdominal bleeding, skin melting off and a lot of immediate cancer-like symptoms. Nick Nuttall, a spokesman for the United Nations Environmental Program, says that the containers had many different kinds of waste, including "Uranium, radioactive waste, lead, cadmium, mercury and chemical waste." But this wasn't just a passing evil from one or two groups taking advantage of our unprotected waters, the UN Convoy for Somalia, Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, says that the practice still continues to this day. It was months after those initial reports that local fishermen mobilized themselves, along with street militias, to go into the waters and deter the Westerners from having a free pass at completely destroying Somalia's aquatic life.

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  10. Excellent comments folks. Very good.

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  11. Back tp piracy and just how serious this is. I have been a sailor for many years, now you might well ask "a sailor in the middle of Manitoba" Well the answer would be Yes. Manitoba has some 100,000 lakes not the least of which is Shoal lake which is connected to Lake of the Woods Ontario which is a lake 150 miles long by some 80 miles wide an contains some 1500 islands and is home to the best fresh water sailing on the planet. Now for many years I have taken part in the largest fresh water sailboat race in the world, a race from Kenora Ontario to Warroad Minnesota a race of some 70 miles and that I can proudly say that my boat has won tree times with a second place on four other occasions.

    Now back to Piracy, some tears ago during the LOWISA which is short for the Lake of the woods International Sailing Association my crew and I decided to do something different in the last legs of the race, We donned our stripped jerseys, donned our kicker bocker trousers an with our eye patches worn proudly we hoisted the jolly roger. This it turned out was not a good idea as we were hauled out and taken before the magistrate in Warroad Minnesota on a charge of flying the skull and cross bones, a charge I might add is punishable by death even today. True we were drunk as sailors on leave and the judge had a hard time keeping a straight face and the charges were dropped on a promise of good behavior in the future, that is to say no pillaging or plundering unto the last day of December and after the First day of January infanatim (something like that), the fact of the matter is that we committed a crime and were subject to it’s laws. Hell any vessel we would have boarded we would have been willing to share our bounty with, that being a case of Scotch.

    Then there are these Pirates that try to capture a vessel on the high seas and it’s a Whoops we didn’t find any weapons on board cept this lonely RPG Round . So.’s I guesses we jus gotta let em go huh. .Shucks darn. Well I got to tell Yuh that’s just not good enough for me. If they get caught, any way that you look at it those fuckers should be as dead as yesterdays news. I don'’ give a rats ass why one thinks that they should not. The rule is that you do not pirate a ship, Period. As far as I’m concerned all these vermin deserve is a weight around the ankles and a push over the side. It’s just as simple as that.

    Oh as a side note that little prank of ours cost us the race, what a bummer.

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  12. I hear what you're saying silverfish, so what would you suggest the Somalis do about the illegal dumping and overfishing?

    Would you be 'on board' if the patrols not only provided safe passage through these waters, but also kept their eyes peeled for those overfishing, or dumping?

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  13. hey silv, i agree that piracy can be a problem and is a legitimate problem.

    But this nonsense in Somalia is not all it is cracked up to be.

    This size of boats and the types of boats these guys are alleged to be pirating doesn't make sense.
    As in the pirates in their fishing boats are incapable of boarding these boats.

    Have you noticed the way the msm media is playing up the Canadian warship chasing the fishing boat.

    "A daring high seas chase"

    was there any real chase necessary?
    and if there even was a chase could it be considered daring, given the skiff vs war ship?

    No, because the ship is armed.

    Also notice in msm reports they never talk about the boats the pirates are using.

    They never describe the skiffs.
    But they describe the boats the pirates are attempting to commandeeer.

    By doing this they intentionally create the idea that somehow these boats are of equal size.

    While I agree pirating is a crime.
    Somalia is something else.

    wrt to young man they arrested and brought back their are already discrepancies

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  14. I did say FIX the problem and that would include the halting of over fishing and dumping of waste as well as removing those who support these pirates and we all know who they are, so lots a luck with that.

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  15. Indeed Silverfish.

    Can't be pointing out the Chosen now can we??

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  16. oops sorry silverfish, missed that word

    egg on face

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