"Dave McGowan, Laurel Canyon, Mind Control via MK U...":
"Owsley came from, guess what, a wealthy, old politically powerful American family. He was taught how to cook by a, now famous, former Dow chemical employee who'd previously been in the Navy. What's interesting is that there was, apparently, also the daughter of the head of the chemical company that was also being taught how to do these complicated sequences at the same time (odd too how she never seems to get any press, don't you think ?). And, remember, the Greatful Dead we're previously called "The Warlocks." I don't think this makes psychedelics suspect, only the varying modes of application. But, right now, they want to demonize them for obvious reasons ! They're de-conditioning agents, for god's sake ! Check out "Acid Dreams" (Amis); "Storming Heaven" (Stevens); "The Dead"-book one (Harrison); "Boo-Hoo Bible" ; Bruce Eisner's Islands newsletter has some interesting interviews with Owsley."
A very intersting comment. I wish this person would have left the name of the woman who was taught to 'cook' the same as Owsley. That would have been interesting.
I agree that none of this is MKultra/mind control stuff is really about the LSD, except as the method to the means. The means being a way to control your thoughts.
I am assuming that by claiming LSD is a de-conditioning agent, the commenter means that LSD, was not useful as means to control or suppress people, but a way instead to open there eyes and make them less susceptible to societal conditioning. It is possible, but I don't know.
I did check out some of the subjects that anonymous poster left.
I found this interesting, an interview conducted between a writer named Bruce Eisner( High Times) and Owsley himself.
They talk internet, government, childrens tv programming (they don't call it programming for nothing) What interested me was what he said about Timothy Leary, who is so often presented to society as the Grandfather of the Psychedelic movement, when he really was no such thing.
B: Bruce Eisner
Timothy Leary, the worst thing that ever happened to the psychedelic movement, responsible for all the draconian laws we have today. Interesting?
B: Getting back to the idea of people picking up these old imprints and being stuck with them. I was listening to a tape that Tim Leary did back in 1981 or ‘82 at Esalen, called “The Power of Imprinting.” This was back when he was on his twenty-four circuit model, before he got into virtual reality and computers and so forth.
O: Well, not really, he never really got into the computer movement. He was always on the periphery of it, but he was always at least a couple of years behind the curve.
B: Oh, I know.
O: You do know that?
B: I know very very well, because I was very close with him.
O: Why didn’t you tell him that, because I tried to . . .
B: Oh, I tried to push it. I was the only one who ever actually surfed him around the net, this was four months before he died. He had a Mac set-up with an ISDN, and I sat down and surfed him around, and then he ordered everybody in the house to go up and get his web site up to speed!
O: I’ll tell you a little story here, about Tim. I went down to see him one time in LA, I’d tried for years to just get him to open up to me and hang out, so that I could figure out who he was. He was always kind of a mystery.
B: I know what you mean.
O: Talking to him was very much like dealing with a mask of some sort. I showed up in town one day and called him up, and said, ”Let’s get together and go somewhere, let’s go have dinner, talk, hang out a bit.” “No, no I’m really busy, I’m doing this thing.” “Well, what are you doing?” “I’ve got these guys here and we’re designing a game. This game is going to be fantastic, incredible, everybody’s going to love this thing, it’s going to, . . . ” etc. So I go over to his place, I walk in, and he has a program up on the screen of his computer that looks sort of like one of those very early interactive games— everything’s text. And I said, “Tim, people don’t play these kind of games anymore. A couple of years ago, people were playing these kind of games, but everything now is graphics. It’s all graphics, it’s action, it’s incredible, it’s like driving a simulator. You’re not going to get people to play a text-based game anymore.” I could not get through to him. And he was just too busy to go and be a friend and hang out with somebody and talk about real things.
B: Well, that changed a lot after Barbara left him, then he became much more available.
O: Did he? Well, you know, then he fell into decline, and got into that endgame there. I got an email letter from a fellow who wanted me to contribute a tribute to a collection he was assembling. I said (to him): “Look, there’s got to be plenty of people who will write nice things about Tim Leary, I don’t think you want to hear what I have to say.” Well, it seems he did, and he kept after me. Each time I’d get a little more explicit, but he just kept coming back. I said, basically, what it boiled down to was that I didn’t think that Tim Leary was a hero. Not a hero to me, anyway. In fact, if I were going to be real precise about what I think, I think Tim Leary was probably the worst thing that ever happened to the psychedelic movement. He made everything difficult for all of us; he wouldn’t listen to any of us who tried to tell him to back off a bit. He was most probably primarily responsible for all the draconian laws we have today on the use of psychedelics and other mind-altering things. I said that as far as I was concerned, I never felt Tim Leary showed me who he was. He seemed to be always playing some role or game or something, or hiding behind some mask, and I just didn’t know who he was. So how can I tell you who he was? He never let me know who he was. Basically, I didn’t want to speak badly to the guy, because I always liked him. I always tried real hard to find some route so that I could actually have a heart-to-heart communication with him.
For all the Laurel Canyon Fans: For What It's Worth?
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