Wednesday, March 31, 2010

Drasius Keyds- When the law failed him, he got justice!

Hei Hu Quan said:

"The sane world has had its fill of protected, sanctioned child predators and their day of reckoning is fast approaching." And for these scumbags, he has two words- Drasius Keyds.
I was intrigued.. Who or what is Drasius Keyds?
He is another 'any man' who fought back!
He is a Dad, a Father, who shot dead a judge and senior politician who molested his daughter.

Keyds' nightmare began a year ago when daughter Deimantela told him about a meeting set up by his then fiancee with Judge Jonas Furmanavicziusa and the Speaker of Lithuania's parliament , Andrius Us.

The pair allegedly raped and abused the youngster who reported her ordeal to her father.

But a year long campaign for a police investigation failed when detectives told Keyds there was not enough evidence to proceed with a case.

So after a year of stalling and other such baloney. He gunned them down.

Now the fugitive dad is being offered a safe haven in neighbouring countries like Poland.

Here is a letter from the Drasius Keyds- It has been translated from Lithuanian
It is his 'letter to nobody'. Let's call it his letter to everybody, everyone who reads it.
Excerpting some of what his daughter told him

"Stories of my four-year old daughter about naked men, her being undressed, her being licked and requests to lick big sysalai (as the little girl calls men’s genital organs), dripping out cream, her being covered with that “natural” cream, becoming of sysalas very little (after the “cream” run out), putting sysalas into her mouth, its pulling forward/ back, shouting strange sounds, putting and pulling sysalas in the room, bathroom, lavatory… everywhere, always, hundreds of times when she visited her “Mummy” at weekends (even on Christening day of my daughter) do not move none of officers involved in prejudicial inquiry. Nothing happened here… The girl is alive. Her mother got money from those with big sysalai for living."

There is more, of course, read it at the link above.

Recall in the Silsby/Puello posts we had all our so called do gooder religions represented.
Christian, Jewish and Catholic? According to this article, the two pedophiles gunned down, were none other then 'god's chosen people". You got it, more practitioners of Judaism.
Romanian Vanguard News

What a compelling story! Thanks for mentioning it Hei Hu Quan.

77 comments:

  1. Don't get me wrong here, I wouldn't push a button to save a thousand lawyers or politicians.

    The problem here is that you have a four year old saying these things and I don't think people should be gunned down on the word of a four year old. I'm not not about to stop anyone from doing what thins guy did to a bunch of BAR association members, these lawyers, judges and politicians deserve nothing from me.

    I know there is a brick wall when you go to report members of the BAR association. They simply believe that the principles of right and wrong do not apply to them and that they may take whatever they want from whomever they want.

    But each and every member of the BAR association is equally responsible for carrying this attitude. And this attitude is responsible for the lack of justice in our society that leads to this kind of behaviour.

    Its going on all over the place, and its one very good reason why we should be sending the members of the British Association Regency (BAR association) back to England on a boat. Its infected almost every country in the world.

    At the very bottom of this rabbit hole you find weasel excrement, not Jews.

    The argument that is really stupid is that no one knows what justice really is. We do, you don't murder, rape or steal from people - its simple. At times its difficult to define and will never be defined on strictly reason alone, but these things surrounding justice are natural and necessary to preserve society. The BAR association isn't necessary to preserve society.

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  2. I really think that maybe its the BAR association that puts Jews out front for a scapegoat for what is really the machinations of weasels.

    Don't forget, these judges, lawyers and politicians are all members of the same British Association Regency. And they will deny that BAR stands for this.

    I've met lots of good Jews, but never an honest lawyer. They all carry the secret - about court "re-presentation" and the fact that BAR stands for something British.

    Its the secret deconstructionists - the BAR association - undermine justice in every society then every society falls apart. Blame the Jews.

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  5. This is not about jews, it is about phony people of religion, people who pretend to be good, and go to church etc., and they are scum who use religion to hide behind.

    And being a parent, I beg to differ greatly on what a four year old says. I am sorry. This man tried for a year to get justice via the court system and the laws of the land, they failed him.
    Had you read through the information the girl had been examined by a battery of professionals who could not determine that the girl was lying.

    And that was the problem for them.

    In other words, they tried to make her the criminal and couldn't.
    They did nothing to bring to trial the politician and judge that abused her.

    What justice is? I guess in this fathers opinion he got justice.
    Justice is many things to many people depending on who you are, your stature, your connections.

    But, the point is this Dad believed what his daughter told him and really he had no reason no too. He tried for a year to get justice via the judicial system and the law and order way.
    What did he get? What did his daughter get?

    I generally don't condone the gunning down of people, but, when someone harms your child....I can see it happening.

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  6. excuse me? do you think four year olds can make things like this up Doug?

    "the problem here" is that the justice system covered up for the pedophiles, who were part of the justice system. "the problem here" is that the father could not get justice.

    "the problem here" is NOT that his little daughter lacks credibility.

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  7. A seventy five cent bullet for a two bit perv, sounds like a Damn good deal to me. Hell at that price one could go for a twofer, all yuh got to do is get them to stand back to back. And if it were done at the local dump there would be a certain irony methinks.needins

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  8. Doug: inadvertently and since I know you, I know you are not cruel hearted or anything of the sort.

    BUT, when you say 'the problem here is that you have a four year old saying these things '

    You are perpetuating the problem.

    The problem is that adults wrongly assume the kids are liars.

    When the right way to look at it, is that adults, who are conniving in a way children are not, who have alot to lose, are the ones that gain the most by lying.

    As long as beliefs such as you demonstrated are held, small children will continue to be subjected to abuse.

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  9. Penn:
    Take a minute and check back in the comments on older posts. Whats the common denominator?
    Now I ask you, does the word Dis-info ring a bell? I don't think that I'm the only one who thinks so.

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  10. Interesting how often it is judges and politicians who are involved. I suppose that many are freemasons.

    - Aangirfan

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  11. I know how it seems silverfish, but, I don't think so...

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  12. that could be also aangirfan, that could be.

    One thing for sure, they are contemptible.

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  13. "BUT, when you say 'the problem here is that you have a four year old saying these things '

    You are perpetuating the problem.

    The problem is that adults wrongly assume the kids are liars."

    Kids aren't liars but a four year old does not realize the consequences of what he is saying. 4 year olds are not "ethical", their brains are way to immature to even learn these ideas.

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  14. Odd too that he didn't gun down the "former fiancee" who intoduced the child to the weasels in the first place. Nor does she seem to be getting any attention in the press whatsoever. How is that ?

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  15. Don't get me wrong - 4 year olds know the difference between right and wrong and ownership in a very limited way. They have no concept of society and ethics required to maintain it.

    This is one argument for religion - it teaches (scares) them into ethical behaviour because a society needs ethical people but they have no real appreciation for why societal ethics are needed.

    The human mind doesn't mature until age 25 or so.

    A four year old should be with his mother, failing that his father, not a group of members of the BAR association who believe they are above the concept of "right and wrong" - or "beyond good and evil". They consider themselves God.

    Believe me - I am far from the only one that has this opinion of lawyers. Why do you think lawyer jokes were so popular and lasted so long - they are true ! Truth is an element of humour.

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  16. Doug: why does a four year old have to be aware of the consequences of telling the truth?
    why would that even be a requirement?

    phreddy: don't know why, though I saw some comments that she should be gunned down, but...who knows?
    Why is it that way with every news story reported?
    I guess it would be best to wonder why the media hasn't searched her out? Is she in hiding?

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  17. "This is not about jews, it is about phony people of religion, people who pretend to be good, and go to church etc., and they are scum who use religion to hide behind."

    You are always going to get corruption in any group - a group of line workers from GM may conspire to rob the company and feel safe and that their fellow members can be trusted - same can be said about a sewing club. You probably have more corruption with Jewry than other religions for the same reason.

    Its the fact that the courts have this close knit group within their own and naturally seek to protect their own - lest any other secrets Creep out leads to this kind of thing. Its the nature of closed secretive groups and the BAR association is just this- and they have a lot of power.

    Even David Rockefeller said the NWO will dispense with secret societies altogather -somewhere.

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  18. "Doug: why does a four year old have to be aware of the consequences of telling the truth?
    why would that even be a requirement?"

    By not telling the truth he may get more attention and stimulation from adults around him.

    It may be that 4 year olds don't even know how to lie.

    But they do fantasize and he may have gotten these ideas from other means given what mom did for a living.

    What if he was lying - or playing a game. Can he be held responsible. As much as I hate the courts and the legal profession, the science of law itself is very good and just. The courts don't accept a witness unless that witness can be held responsible for their testimony.

    The kid has shitty parents. Society can't fix that. Its sad, but expecting society to deliver justice in all cases is wrong. There are and should be limits as to what society can or should do.

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  19. I did read it. I know I used "he" when its a "she" but I am speaking in general terms here, not in this particular case.

    Under no circumstances should a 4 year old be allowed to testify IMO.

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  20. We cannot discuss cases like this in particular terms because we have only third hand info, so only generalities apply.

    If you have ever seen an event and then read a report about it in the newspapers you can see how different the report is from the actual situation.

    We cannot cross -examine the author of the letter (which I didn't read).

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  21. "Odd too that he didn't gun down the "former fiancee" who intoduced the child to the weasels in the first place. "

    Very good point. A 4 year old doesn't belong in a room alone with a bunch of animals.

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  22. See what I mean. It's always deflection.

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  23. "See what I mean. It's always deflection."

    I can't help but think this was directed at me.

    I read any report as an opinion piece and something very loosely related to the actual facts. Even a reporter with the best intentions cannot report accurately unless working from a verifiable (by the reader) set of facts. This is just the nature of second or third hand information. Any report or news story written by the most intelligent and well intentioned individual suffers from this.

    What is important is the overall issue. This is why I never listen to particulars too much, for every one there is another one missing.

    Wise men work from reason, less wise from experience. I don't know what can be said about third hand info written from an original experience.

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  24. I read his letter.

    Logically speaking "Not being able to prove a lie" does not equate to "therefore it must be the truth".

    How do we know that what he says is true, perhaps there was reason to doubt the testimony that the father ignored. We do tend to ignore evidence that doesn't support our viewpoint.

    As far as the BAR members that got shot - I don't care. Pick them at random if you want, I won't stop you.

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  25. Damn right it was directed at you Dougie. Funny how you talk a lot and say absolutely nothing. The more you blather on and try to confuse the issue the more you sound just like some rubber mouthed shyster lawyer wearing cheap suit.
    (Dis-info merchant guidelines)
    Rule No. 1 hog the comments, post as many as you can and say as little as possible.
    Rule No.2 repeat rule No.1

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  26. I operate from reason Silv. You operate from the opinions of others based on the opinions of others. I take what little reason can be applied to and use that in the context of other little bits of reason to expose an overall truth.

    News reporting is necessary, but it isn't "truth" and most often not based on pure reason.

    I guess you and I are different.

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  27. "A seventy five cent bullet for a two bit perv, sounds like a Damn good deal to me. Hell at that price one could go for a twofer"

    Astute. Stunning bit of reasoning. Conviction based on 3rd hand information.

    The only disadvantage of sending BAR members back to England is the courts may be run by people like you.

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  28. Actually Doug, I do not think you do operate from reason.
    This is not a trial. This is a news article.

    There is consistency in the dad's story, undeniable consistency.

    His daughter told him what had happened, he tried to go through the legal system, she was examine by a battery of court-appointed psychologists. Who could not conclude she was lying, therefore she was truthful. They did not want to do anything about it because these were powerful well connected men, so they stalled jerked the father around and did nothing. The father acted out of frustration in what appears to me that he fully believed his daughter had been molested.

    Why not the ex? She simply wasn't present at the opportune time.

    Why is there no reporting on the ex?
    No sensationalism in the angle.
    She is not a person of import. She is not a person of privelege. She does not fit the narrative of the tale, which is a classic David and Goliath tale.
    That is rational and that is logical.
    Doug; you haved twisted and turned so much and flailed about, that even myself, upon time away, am left wondering what the hell is really going on here? And with you?
    Just the way I feel.

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  29. "..Who could not conclude she was lying, therefore she was truthful. "

    No, this is not right. We would need to hear evidence as to why the child may not be telling the truth NOT that she isn't lying. She could have been drugged. There could be an argument for her not telling the truth without actually lying, no doubt- from some psychologists, how good would it be ? Who knows.

    But if the debate showed she was likely truthful, then it may show a truthfulness "beyond reasonable doubt". That is not truth - its as close as an approximation to truth as the courts can get in a situation like this. Which is why the courts have to be very careful in convicting. Its better to let ten guilty men go free than convict one innocent one.

    You expect the State to solve these problems, as if the State solving all problems will lead to Utopia. I say this leads to Hell.

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  30. The real problem is that BAR members get special preferential treatment. This MAY and likely stood in the way of establishing reasonable doubt, or caused the standards of reasonable doubt to be unattainable.

    This would lead to an increase in likelyhood of incidences like this occurring again with BAR association members.

    It could be that a club of shovellers of excrement would have been convicted.

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  31. "I guess you and I are different". Jesus H Christ Dougie DO YUH THINK?

    So just keep dropping by and say more of NOTHING just keep flooding the comments,all your doing is proving my point.

    Now why don't Yuh have your Mommy fix you up some milk and cookies? Kosher ones of course.

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  32. :O

    WOW, I feel like I've come late to the party.

    Kudos to the father for taking out the scum, they won't be missed.

    I see what Doug is saying, but I think that might be something which may occur with 'older' children - hang on a second here. Keep in mind the witch hunts - the lies which were spread. This does happen. I do find it hard to believe that a four year old could be coached to say just the right thing. (Even that kid - balloon boy couldn't quite keep his story straight)

    Ahh, the difficulty of establishing proof. That said, it is clear that this is a big problem with certain factions of our 'elites'.

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  33. Really, who is the victim ?

    I see the father as the victim more than the child. These people probably would have hurt the child more by laughing at her or calling her stupid.

    Four year old girls have no shame, a few times I have seen my friends little girls squat down right in front of me and pee. They have no shame.- Not that they are not sexual beings - they are - but not in the same sense as an adult.

    If this was done to a 12 year old or something then you could say the 12 year old was the major victim.

    But what the judges and politicians did was to ignore what society considers taboo, they may have seriously hurt this little girl too. But their actions show a great disrespect for society and their attitude that makes them think they are Gods. This runs runs prevalent through the profession. They even have their own secret language, let alone society. Very dangerous people.

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  35. Silverfish, I'm not Jewish. Nor do I have any Jewish friends or associates (that I know of)

    I just see Jews being accused of doing things in secret that the BAR association does openly.

    Its just painful to see. Its the BAR that is doing it to us, not the Jews. Its so obvious.

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  36. "That said, it is clear that this is a big problem with certain factions of our 'elites'.

    Just thinking of the most commonly referred to pedophile scandal involving the whitehouse.

    The Franklin Coverup.
    Then Mark Dutroux and the elites connected with that one.
    Never mind all the church scandals right up to the vatican at this moment, the elite religious leaders.

    Then looking at the organized pedophelia with the native children in the schools, used and abused by again religious persons, politically affiliated persons

    Yup, maggie, there most certainly is a problem with the elites.

    Then of course there is the Mkultra pedophelia in the name of experimentation..

    All those traumatized children.

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  37. doug, you say *:

    *What if he was lying - or playing a game.

    there is no evidence the girl was lying. so what is the point of raising this? ten shrinks found no evidence of the girl lying. the girl clearly saw things that no 4 year old child could possibly make up.

    *Can he be held responsible.

    it's moot since the child is not lying.

    *As much as I hate the courts and the legal profession, the science of law itself is very good and just.

    that is your opinion. that is not a fact it is an opinion.

    *The courts don't accept a witness unless that witness can be held responsible for their testimony.

    witnesses lie. people who have no problem lying will have no problem lying on the stand.

    *The kid has shitty parents.

    no doug, only the mother who sold her daughter to pedophiles is the shitty parent.

    *Society can't fix that.

    society can stop covering up for people like this mother. maybe she's not in the story because she is being protected.

    *Its sad, but expecting society to deliver justice in all cases is wrong.

    who expects that? strawman argument.

    *There are and should be limits as to what society can or should do.

    i think we are seeing the limits of how much justice we are allowed to have, which is very simply not enough.


    here's a thoughtful person's take on the legal system:

    Let us examine a few particulars of the legal system to see how they bring benefit to evil and work to the detriment of good. If you read what legal theoreticians have to say about the structure of the legal system you will encounter statements like this: "It is a robust system which is designed to survive liars". "We assume that one side is lying one way, and the other is lying the other, and we let the jury find the truth - which will lie somewhere between these two extremes." What a wonderfully plausible lie that is.

    To see the evil behind that last plausible lie it is necessary to turn the assumption upside down. Instead of assuming that both sides are lying, let us assume that one side is innocent, honest, and tells the truth. It is obvious that lying does an innocent defendant no good; what lie is he to use - "I did it"?

    The truth - due to the nature of reality - is never completely favorable to anybody; there is always some element of the truth that makes an innocent person look bad.

    Since the legal system assumes that the truth lies between the testimony of the two sides - there is always a shift toward the side telling the lies, and away from the side telling the truth. Under the right set of external circumstances This tilt, along with the fact that the truth may always be presented in such a way as to bring detriment to an innocent person, is often enough to shift the outcome toward the wrong side. Advantage: evil.

    Consider the swearing in of witnesses before they testify. If a person is a cynical liar, taking this oath has no affect on that person. However, this oath places considerable pressure on a serious truthful witness. Advantage: evil.


    more here:
    http://users.hal-pc.org/~rcanup/problem.html

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  38. and btw a peasant wrote an excellent follow up to this post with additional related information..

    Twelfth Bough

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  39. "Really, who is the victim ?

    I see the father as the victim more than the child. These people probably would have hurt the child more by laughing at her or calling her stupid.

    Four year old girls have no shame, a few times I have seen my friends little girls squat down right in front of me and pee. They have no shame.- Not that they are not sexual beings - they are - but not in the same sense as an adult.

    If this was done to a 12 year old or something then you could say the 12 year old was the major victim."
    So what is it exactly that you are saying Dougie? Is it thats it's alright to molest a 4 year old but not a twelve year old? Is that what you are saying Dougie? Now wouldn't that make for a great defense in court, Well your honor sure I fucked the kid but at least I didn't laugh at her, so that makes it all good right Judge? Besides I once saw her pee and only a slut would do such a thing, Hell judge she was asking for it.

    Why don't you crawl back into your Cracker Jack Box Dougie because you sure are some kind of prize.
    With your frame of logic you don't think of a child of four as a victim? You are a very sick little creature.

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  40. Doug is doing the same thing he did on the Joe Stack thread. And that is, as Silv said, hog the comments and focus on falsehoods, strawman arguments and irrelevencies.

    The commonality between these two threads, and I've no doubt with others, is the issue of people enacting justice directly.

    Now who would be afraid of that eventuality? Well, the perps for starters and the rest of the system that covers for them and the creeps who find employment in running flack for them.

    I can't know what Doug's motivations are (and I don't care and it doesn't matter) but I do know what he is doing. And that is acting to the benefit of people who should be hosed off the planet.

    I think it is time to do something about this, Penny. Regardless of what his motivations are, he is undoing your valiant efforts.

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  41. "So what is it exactly that you are saying Dougie? Is it thats it's alright to molest a 4 year old but not a twelve year old? Is that what you are saying Dougie? "

    No, I am saying that there was a greater crime committed - the BAR members showed their disdain for what we as a society consider important. They showed their disrespect and their arrogance toward society by making what is (and probably should be) taboo into something beneath them. They must consider themselves Gods to carry out acts like this.

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  42. "The commonality between these two threads, and I've no doubt with others, is the issue of people enacting justice directly."

    ..which is NEVER a good idea. That leads to tyranny. That is what is required by fascism according to Webster Tarpley.

    Fascism is and must be created by a ground swell - its not something that comes from the top. The problem with peoples movements is the large number of morons that make up the general populations.

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  43. Four year olds rarely lie, they are too innocent. I would take the child's version any day over a lawyer or politician.

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  44. Fascism is and must be created by a ground swell - its not something that comes from the top.

    You need help, Doug.

    The problem with peoples movements is the large number of morons that make up the general populations.

    There it is; the arrogance of the elite

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  45. Blimey! Miss a few days and you can miss quite a bit it seems.

    Penny - thanks for reminding me about this story.

    Doug - "I see the father as the victim more than the child." You are clearly a fucking moron. I was prepared to cut you some slack on stack (Joe), but you are seriously taking the piss in this instance.

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  46. "Four year olds rarely lie, they are too innocent. I would take the child's version any day over a lawyer or politician."

    So would I, but that isn't saying much in defence of four year olds is it ?

    I just don't think you can convict people on the words of children. You need a responsible witness. Children, at the age of four, are in no way responsible.

    You cannot expect the State to solve these problems either. You can only expect changes in policy that would affect changes in behaviour.

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  47. Not lying does not mean that you are telling the truth. That is just logical fact - sorry if it counters any ones hatred, need for revenge or bloodlust.

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  48. hey james!

    "I think it is time to do something about this, Penny. Regardless of what his motivations are, he is undoing your valiant efforts."

    I tell you james, I am quite disgusted at this moment. Quite!

    I have found this all annoying and disturbing.
    I hate to censor, hate it, hate it, hate it!!!

    And because of the limitations of this blog, the only thing I can do is delete posts. I cannot block posters or anything like that.

    That said, I think everyone is better served by leaving all statements here, so the entire conversation makes sense and can be followed.

    I am of the opinion that once Doug takes a 'stand' he cannot back down and instead digs himself further and further, deeper and deeper into a hole. Rather then reflecting he reacts.
    As is his choice!

    And one can follow that by leaving the responses as posted.

    And, yes I find myself incensed over some of the disgusting statements Doug has made.

    As a parent, who quite honestly, would gouge the eyes out of anyone who did anything like this to my child (And that is being polite) It would likely be worse.

    I find some of the thoughts he shared comtemptible.

    My valiant efforts will not be stopped by Doug, and I thank you James for that compliment by the way.

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  49. "Fascism is and must be created by a ground swell - its not something that comes from the top.

    You need help, Doug. "

    So does Webster Tarpley - those are his words.

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  50. "As a parent, who quite honestly, would gouge the eyes out of anyone who did anything like this to my child (And that is being polite) It would likely be worse."

    So would I, but I would react as a victim in doing this. Victims don't react with reason.

    You people make some very serious logical errors in your rants against me. These are mathematical errors.

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  51. "The problem with peoples movements is the large number of morons that make up the general populations."

    You are behaving like a lynch mob, going on the words of a victim based on the words of another four year old victim.

    You don't know the whole story, you don't care. You just want blood, reason be damned.

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  52. You don't even know what the four year old said, you know what her father said she said, himself a traumatized victim.

    Maybe I reacted too soon when I say "Send the lawyers and judges back to England on a boat"

    I certainly wouldn't put my worst enemy on trial with you.

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  53. A. Peasant: "http://users.hal-pc.org/~rcanup/problem.html"

    I did read that and do agree with his overall viewpoint. Its still better than a lynch mob, which is what we have here.

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  54. Doug has characterised a desire for justice in the face of ongoing and outrageous injustice as "blood lust" and called his opponents here a "lynch mob".
    These charges are in no way reasonable. This is a classic disinfo technique.

    He has claimed popular movements lead to "lynch mobs" as he has called us. He has gone on to call these popular movements as peopled by "morons". Doug is calling his opponents here morons. In this, he is reflecting the attitudes of our fascist leaders. He is identifying with them.

    Doug is using the doubt raising techniques and others that are used in court by defence lawyers in defence of their pedophile customers. Just because every detail cannot be known does in no way negate the otherwise large body of evidence.

    This is not 'reason' being used here as most people understand that term. It is 'reason' though to legalists who maintain that any possible hypothesis advanced is valid as an argument and therefore 'reason' and even 'reasonable'.This is legalese bullshit, of course, and, again, a disinfo tactic when used on forums.

    Doug is, in effect, defending pedophiles here on this forum using courtroom tactics and shows no inkling that he is doing something shameful. This is not a court room where the indefensible is required to be defended.

    Doug has come onto Penny's forum and has been made welcome by her and yet he continues repeatedly to voice opinions which he clearly must knows she finds upsetting because Penny has told him that. He has shown no regard for her wishes or interests in this and abused her hospitality. Doug is using this forum, by the sheer number of his posts, as his own. But he has his own blog, after all, to voice whatever he wants.

    Instead, he continues on here and demonstates having a hide every bit as thick as those aforementioned lawyers that defend the indefensible.

    Doug will take issue with any number of things I have said here. But, then, he would. Wouldn't he? An argument with someone like Doug never ends until he has the last word and, in the meantime, it suits his purpose. The purpose of a disinfo agent is, through a torrent of nonsense, to cause confusion and doubt in the minds of readers who might happen upon this discussion, now or later.

    I urge readers to consider the above points when thinking about Doug Plumb's opinions and responses.

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  55. Due to the seriousness of these kinds of actions against a pedophile, one must be sure to be correct. Above all else, no one wants to convict someone for such a horrible crime based on the kind of evidence you have.

    You have one victim telling you the words of another victim, who not only happens to be a four year old, but his own four year old.

    If people call that "justice" then we are in real big trouble.

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  56. Who here would hang this guy if they had the chance - legally ?

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  57. You're most welcome Penny, always glad to contribute something progressive to the effort.

    That being said...

    I judge.

    I judge because I do so from reason, life experience, insight and wisdom. With no need for Masonic robes, bibles, imposed authority, favours for the in-crowd and pockets full of justice for sale. My badge is my humanity, my patrol beat is the world and my sanction is the law. What law? The law of common sense, the law bound in truth, equitable dispensation of justice, simple decency and the veracity of verified fact. If people cannot judge then why are juries convened with them and judges dispensed? What are they composed of? Transcendental beings? Robots? Angels? No, people like you and me of intelligence, clear conscience and moral rectitude. I'm not a morally deficient weakling with a broken compass whose direction is subverted by adverts, films, celebrities or news agit-prop bought by criminals from on high.

    When a parent hears a child, who well knows that child, tearfully recount that they were sexually assaulted, with abundant, heart-wrenching details that recoils the imagination and conscience, they are not lying. Much to the chagrin of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation intelligence front whose very job is to attack and ridicule any and all cases of organised child assault (I loathe the sickeningly benign terms 'molestation' and 'abuse' trotted about). Unfortunately in my investigations I've been privy to examining more cases of these horrors against children then I want to ever recall. Crimes committed by adults who have the moral fibre of compiled excrement, whose hellish works leave stains on your soul. The only thing worse than the nature of crimes like these, are those who apologise for or dismiss them. Effete and literal devil's advocates, defending personal interests rather than innocent, fragile children under siege.

    If good, decent men and women cannot brace-up to protect their progeny, and the children of their community then it's open season on every bloody thing they value. You become livestock that is done away with at a whim, you become the perpetual victim of your handlers who do whatever they want to you without reprisal. You have no offspring, you bear resources to defile, sell-off, injure or murder wholesale, again without reprisal, which is why it keeps occurring. The bred cows that walk the death march to the abattoir and turn their heads away from their brethren as predators alight upon them and their loved ones. "At least it wasn't me this time" you say through a mouthful of cud as you move up a step in line.

    The uncomfortable truth, the elephant in the room that no one wants to recognise, is about survival and the means to see justice done and protection done by the cold means necessary to see them made manifest. If you are a sheep and your lambs are taken by wolves at pasture's edge, and the sheepdog dines at the wolves table, then it's time for the sheep to brace up and fight. If a community cannot protect its children, then they can't protect their women, their elderly, their infirm and themselves.

    There's no rehabilitation for those who voraciously cowardly attack those most innocent, who rely on you to protect them. You are the centre of their little world, you are god to them. If a violated four-year old tells a horrifying, rage inducing attestation backed by evidence, names, descriptions and facts, then it's just lead inoculations for human pathogens irregardless of stratum or title.

    In a war declared against you, you are either a victim or a soldier, full stop.

    Cheers and respect to Penny and the others who stand hard to the fore, for being soldiers and not victims. Firm salute to Drasius Keyds for being a man, a father and a hero.

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  58. I have thought for some time that Doug Plumb was disinfo . . . or maybe he is a pedo-lover, who knows. The first thing, I remember, was making a strong argument against a point of his once, and all he did was agree with me, which of course was an utter contradiction of his first point. He is working in the classic way disinfo works on these blogs, by making the biggest attempts to insinuate themselves into a well-respected clique, then (as Silv aptly pointed out) dominating the comments and twisting arguments.

    Lately, he tried to twist Alice in Wonderland into a financial allegory, as opposed to the sexual fantasyland conditioning tale written by a famous pedophile who tried to marry an 11 year old girl at one time. He pleaded ignorance then, but it smelled like bullshit.

    No where in Doug's supposed reasoning is the question:
    Why wasn't there a search of the home of the accused when such a substantial and dramatic accusation was made by what was a reliable 4 year old victim?
    (If you were a judge, wouldn't you want your name cleared of something this evil?!?)

    During the questioning, could a positive ID be made with birthmarks, identifying marks? And if no attempt to corraborate the story was made - why, and are the police complicit?

    Was an investigation done on the bank account of the mother and was any of the money traced? Fingerprints found at her house, or where the victim remembers any of the crimes happening?
    Why is there not one community member condemning what could be an open murder . . . does this mean that every citizen is a bloodthirsty gang member with no intelligence to discern and dissect a story from up close, where they would know many more details and background to the story?

    Instead of addressing any logical points in the story like this that point to obvious corruption and coverup and horrific sexual crime conspiracy, Doug attempts to steer the conversation into that of needing iron-clad proof and trying to discredit the victim. He uses the same illogic he smears others with (you don't know the whole story and its details) by asserting that 4 year olds can make up long and detailed fantasies involving explicit sexual scenarios, hold up their lie against intense examination, and have the story hold up as being credible and plausible in an adult perspective.

    Doug, you screwed this one up, and badly - the cat is out of the bag. Penny, I second your motion to keep all comments here, it is necessary to be able to review and confirm things.

    Drasius Keyds is a hero, and hopefully he (or the community) continues to hunt down and kill all the principals involved . . . they must be scared shitless, and as good as that feeling is, it is not enough, knowing that there are more than two that need to be shot.

    Drasius, I would have done the same, and maybe worse.

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  59. So normally we are reasonable, and don't want to convict innocents but in the case of child molestation we get all poetic and throw reason out because of the seriousness of the crime.

    Very Poetic Hei Hu, I hope you are not one day falsely accused of being a child molester because then you will experience the soldiering you speak so eloquently of.

    By these standards, we will all be killing each other.

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  60. I've learned what I need to learn from this thread. I have no more comments or questions.

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  61. One more thing.

    If you face a serious trial and you are innocent, it doesn't matter to the judge or the lawyers whether you are guilty or not. You are a stranger and they are completely disconnected from you. They will never see or hear about it again They may get little attacks of conscience, but these will be outweighed by the success of the case. The homicide detectives will have another notch on their belts.

    There in lies the problem. We are no longer small communities who know one another. In the end it really doesn't matter if an innocent goes to jail.

    If I was ever arrested for a serious crime and I knew I was innocent, I would hang myself before facing a jury like this one.

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  62. Ha ha!
    Way to ignore reason, Doug - you goddamn dirtbag, how DARE you put down Hei Hu Quan's comment on community judgement and reason!

    It was, perhaps, the most eloquent and well-reasoned missive I have read in a long, long time, and certainly the best one I have read yet on this subject. My sincerest thanks to you, Hei Hu Quan.

    Good riddance, Doug. Better luck next time with the disinfo.

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  63. Doug you believe yourself to be most elegant at sophistry and fantastic, manipulated leaps of logic. At no time here did anyone endorse summary executions of 'alleged' paedophiles. I believe the consensus lies in the dead-on, red-handed catch or the perpetual predator, but I speak only for myself. I truly hope that you have no children of your own, and if you do it speaks volumes at your level of honour and what you stand for.

    I should worry for you being falsely accused of having it off with children than I and being judiciously 'soldiered'. For it is you who so vigourously defends their interests more than the children they wantonly defile.

    The more you speak, the more is betrayed your total lack of awareness, empathy or knowledge of child sexual assault cases. I would encourage you to research them and perhaps find a way to silently sit in on some victims counselling. I sincerely hope your line of work isn't in the law enforcement sex crimes division or as a youth rape counsellor.

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  64. Hei Hu Quan, thanks! So well said.

    Slozo, same goes!

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  65. Wow! first cup of coffee and the fall-out from the bomb is apparent.

    Edo! thanks for stopping in, missed you last night... YOu had heard this one before? What a shocker!

    James "blood lust" and "lynch mob" were really over the top!

    I reminded Doug of this, not a courtroom, just discussion of a news story. Why he insisted on turning the tables, only he knows.

    The persistence in his own line of reasoning, "who hear would hang him" doug set up the strawman and then he argued his own arguements that had nothing to do with what anyone was talking about.

    Hei Hu Quan!
    Always good to see you about :)
    With two such eloquent responses, no less.

    "The more you speak, the more is betrayed your total lack of awareness, empathy or knowledge of child sexual assault cases."


    Slozo: You are 100 percent correct when you point out all the reasonable questions that Doug should have asked, rather then making statements about the capacity/actions of a four year old. Instead of attempting to address the accountability of the adults, Doug persisited in attacking the intellect and intentions of a 4 year old.
    I cringe, just cringe!

    That said, I have asked Doug to not participate here any longer.
    I do hope he complies willingly.

    If he does not, I will delete and may be pushed into comment moderation, something I abhor..

    So, as I said, I am hoping for the best.
    Thanks :)

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  66. Hi Penny,

    Yes I had heard of this story before, can't remember where, but it was some months ago. You know I have a son, and if he talked to me like Keyds' daughter talked to him, I can guarantee those he accused would pay the ultimate price.

    As for Doug - Disinfo or a bit twisted, I'm not sure, but in this thread at least, he's totally talked himself into a corner. There's no going back from this Dougie, any respect you had here is down the shitter.

    On another semi-related slant - has anyone been following the story of Hollie Greig here in the UK?

    I did a small post linking to an interview with her mother on my blog. I really recommend it.

    http://edo-theinsoundfromwayout.blogspot.com/2010/03/useless-media-wont-touch-hollie-greig.html

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  67. thanks edo, I will check it out.

    The story of drasius keyds is an older story, you are right, some of the news article were from October 2009.

    I have heard a bit about that one, perhaps aangirfan??? can't recall??

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  68. Penn the Drasius Keyds story is one of Robin Hood but instead of stealing from the rich and giving to the poor this modern day Robin struck a blow for the defenseless against the indefensible. Who but the Sheriff of Not or one of his agents could possibly argue this? The man simply did that which any GOOD father should have done. And now he is in hiding and just like Robin of old he is being protected by the common folk, the man in the street the everyday man the people just like you and me.

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  69. You're spot on Silv.

    I can imagine those fuckers shitting themselves at the thought of parents taking the 'law' into their own hands, especially as they have been protected by (or are very often involved in) the law in the past. Same for Dutroux, same for Casa Pia, same for Hollie Greig... what is it about judges, coppers and social services?

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  71. "what is it about judges, coppers and social services"

    part of the machine.

    I am listening to an interesting interview right now, that is relevant to this topic, wanna hear it all the way through before posting

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  72. There is also the very real issue of the lives of the children that will now be saved from ruin because these two criminals are no longer around to ruin them.

    There was a case in Oz a couple of years ago where a policeman (off duty) shot and killed the stepfather of his two neices. The stepfather had been found guilty of sexually assaulting the two girls but the judge released him and would not prevent him from moving back into the family home.

    After killing the stepfather, the policeman immediately turned himself in to the police. In court, he admitted the killing and claimed it was "justifiable homicide".

    The jury acquitted him of all charges.

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  73. hey james!

    "The jury acquitted him of all charges."


    A sensible jury decision.

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  74. I stopped reading comments after about 5 entries. Does no one see what this Doug person did? It is that old Zionist trick of taking over an otherwise serious conversation and subverting it for
    one reason or another.

    It is ridiculous to even imagine a child that age could know such specifics of perversion without experiencing them. That is why they call it innocence. This father is not the first to be driven to such extremes. Child lust is everywhere. That is why such high value is placed on innocence.

    Read the histories of Kathy O'Brien, Svali, Cisco Wheeler, and other recovered MK Ultra victims to lean the true scope of these problems.

    Then find the Jewish Babylonian Talmud or a few sites that expose pertinent aspects of it and learn more. This foul document is replacing our present legal in many countries without the people being informed. These Noahide Laws are signed into the American legal system; Canadian and Australian systems are currently under in the process hidden behind the scenes and with twisted legalese.

    One thing all of these brotherhoods have in common is members support each other under ALL circumstances. So a Mason stands before a Mason judge, he will not be convicted. Of course a reason must be given however fabricated it seems to be.

    How does a caring decent human being deal with these creatures of the darkness. We can barely guess at, no one can even presume to cast judgment on Drasius Keyds.

    This problem with children is ancient but it has become much greater and in the open with the rise of both Jewish control within our governments and satanism, the latest descendant of the black magic of ancient Egyptian and Babylonian priests, the touchstone of the mystery religions embraced by the Masons and various Knighthood organizations,Cabalists/Talmudists,the Vatican, Nazis, Jesuit groups, etc etc etc ad nauseum around the globe.

    That child did the right thing telling her Poppa. The one thing these creeps fear is exposure. It is time to stop protecting them and putting their names out there for the world to see. Plaster them all over.

    As for parents like Mr. Keyds, there will be more of them if such atrocities are allowed to continue.
    Maybe he did us a great favour ridding the world of such scum and so publicly taking action drawing the eyes of us all to these beyond criminal actions.

    Mr. Plumb, were your child to come to you with such confidences, and you were handed such lack of justice, what would YOU do?

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  75. Hi Noor,
    Does no one see what this Doug person did?

    Yes we did, indeed.
    Mr Plumb has been banned from this blog by Penny with the full support of others here.

    It's a long and tedious thread with much repetitive blathering from Plumb. So much sympathy for not ploughing through it all. And you're right. The network is extensive but the curtain is being lifted here and elsewhere.

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  76. Noor al Haqiqa:

    Hello Noor, first off, thanks for coming by and leaving your thoughts, much appreciated!

    as James has already explained the outcome of this mess, I won't bore you with a second explanation.

    I have left all comments here so they can be read and decided on by readers, such as yourself.

    On this blog I cover as much as possible, the problem of abuse by the powerful of the young and innocent.

    I have covered the mkultra abuse, my latest post even had information exposing the baptist church and there pedophelia proclivities..

    It is just despicable.

    Please, stop back in again.

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