Thursday, March 4, 2010

An eye for an eye- Stone the Whale!

U.S group calls for killer whale’s death by stoning. In the Judeo-Christian traditional manner espoused by the angry, vengeful, wrathful god.

American Family Association: Tilikum should be stoned to death

Posted on the website of the American Family Association (AFA) on February 25, the day after the tragic death of Ms Brancheau, and seemingly receiving little publicity until now, a blog written by Bryan Fischer refers twice to Exodus, the second book of the Old Testament, when calling for Tilikum to be stoned to death.

The first reference is to Exodus 21:28, where it is stated:
When an ox gores a man or woman to death, the ox shall be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten, but the owner shall not be liable
and the second is to Exodus 21:29, which states that in the case of an ox killing for a second time:
the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death

Maintaining that had "the counsel of the Judeo-Christian tradition ... been followed, Tillikum would have been put out of everyone's misery back in 1991" Bryan Fischer does not however suggest that the killer whale's owner should be "put to death" as the Book of Exodus would seem to allow. Instead, having asserted that the trainer's death should be chalked up to "animal rights insanity and to the ongoing failure of the West to take counsel on practical matters from the Scripture", he says
Or: Enraged blogger cites vengeful Judeo-Christian tradition

Personally, I think the whale should not be held in captivity for entertainment purposes.
So, I say don't stone him. Free him!


  1. The term "Judeo-Christian" should be seen as an oxymoron.

    For a humorous take on the decidedly non christian 'Judeo' part of the equation, see, Why Can't I Own a Canadian?

    And for a very non humorous take on it, read Gilad Atzmon's, THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE GENOCIDE IN PALESTINE

    - a sample -
    "There is not much doubt amongst Biblical scholars that the Hebrew Bible contains some highly charged non-ethical suggestions, some of which are no less than a call for a genocide. Biblical scholar Raymund Schwager has found in the Old Testament 600 passages of explicit violence, 1000 descriptive verses of God's own violent actions of punishment, 100 passages where God expressly commands others to kill people. Apparently, violence is the most often mentioned activity in the Hebrew Bible."

  2. And all this from a "LOVING, FORGIVING,GRACIOUS" father type of God. Oh yeah and also the "VENGEFUL,JEALOUS and FOR THE MOST PART SORT OF AN ASSHOLE, PLAGUES OF TOADS,LOCUSTS,RIVERS RUNNING RED WITH BLOOD plus lets not forget the HELL FIRE and BRIMSTONE sort of God.

    Hummm, sounds a little schizo to me. I mean it really sounds like this Holy dude ought to get on the meds.

    It's funny in a sick sort of way but I have yet to find one spot in this book of bullshit where this devil character has really done anything wrong, think about that for a minute, Where in this
    Christian crookbook is it ever stated that this Satan ever did anything wrong besides pissing God off.

    It seems to me that "God" has a really good dis-info spin team working overtime.

  3. "Hummm, sounds a little schizo to me"


  4. james, that's the first thing I thought of too - why can't I own a Canadian!

    Too funny.

  5. James, I left a comment over at winterpatriot for you, but, now I can't find where it was I left it, to see if you responded..

  6. When did you leave it, Penny? If it was in the last week, it definitely didn't go through. If it was before that, I doubt it went through I can't be as definite. I check there regularly and would remember it, I'm sure, if it had posted.

    You could try again either there of here. What was it about?

  7. hey james I left the message yesterday.

    I was reading through a thread, which one, I can't say, someone was mentioning a book Ismael, Ishmael??

    Which I found odd, since, it was the second time in one day, someone mentioned this book.

    Inquired as to what this book was about?

    Also the book Political Ponerology.

    Mentioned to you I had checked around for it, and it is quite pricey..quite pricey.
    so I would have to take a pass on it at this moment, unless you know where it is on line to read?
    Or excerpts from it?

  8. Okay, found it! It's still in the works and will come through.

    You ask about "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. I've read a few people describe their intellectual life the same way as being divided into two parts; before reading Ishmael and after Ishmael!
    Amazon description and reviews here.

    It's a must read, imho.

    Here's a brief description from Quinn's site.

    If you like it then there is a sequel called "My Ishmael" and his "Story of B" is also well worth reading.

    The last one, "B", is pertinent to your post here about the Fundos penchant for violence as it goes into religion's historical grip on peoples minds and politics

  9. Here's a lengthy review on Political Ponerology, Penny.

    There's links on that page to puchase it as a print book or e-book for about $25

  10. The whale and the ox are not equivalents, the ox was necessary. The whale was just for entertainment.

    If people had oxen, then the law in exodus would make perfect sense because it shows forgiveness and delivers justice.

    Of course we have no idea of what justice is, the notion does not exist in our "modern" society.

    The whale should be set free, IMO as should all the others. We shouldn't keep animals except dogs or cats because they have been domesticated. Even then, having a dog is too much responsibility for most dog owners.

    As far as the bible goes, it cannot be taken literally. Many are allagorical stories that fir into certain contexts. The things God does in Egypt to free the Jews number ten in total before the Jews are redeemed.

    You can obtain a maximum of ten birth certificates and this takes time, then, as some people believe you are redeemed. Remember our "legal" system is also based on trickery.

  11. James, thanks for the links! I book marked the ponerology one, as it was quite lengthy and I did want to get to it all later.

    The Ishmael book, I am not so sure that interests me....

    Hey Doug!
    Glad you think the whale should be set free.