Saturday, April 17, 2010

Polish President's visit to Russia, what the heck ?

This news story was from April 11/2010.
The day after the plane went down with most of the Polish government plummeting to there death.
I find this interesting and odd.
Times Online

Had Kaczynski's attendance at the Katyn commemoration been an officially recognized visit?

Kaczynski was not invited to Putin’s event and there was no promise of a warm welcome at the Smolensk airfield yesterday. He was determined to attend the commemoration, though — not, as he put it, “to inflame relations with Russia”, but to support 400 relatives of the victims who were expected to be there. “I hope I get a visa,” he had joked.


The reference to the Putin event was one that was held earlier in the week.
There was no promise of a 'warm welcome at Smolensk airfield'
But, Kaczynski was determined to attend, as he was quoted to say not to “to inflame relations with Russia” but to support relatives of victims.
"I hope I get a visa"

I don't know what to make of this bit of news, interesting, perplexing.....

13 comments:

  1. This 'bit of news' is nothing but a sly Murdoch/Times attempt to plant in your mind the possibility that Putin/Russians killed Kaczynski

    Although Kaczynski did bully his way into a second commemoration ceremony, the idea that 'there was no promise of a warm welcome at the Smolensk airfield yesterday' is nonsense.

    The Russians ain't stupid - if they were prepared to acknowledge the wrong in the Katyn forest, then why risk a diplomatic incident by being rude to the Prez of Poland - even if he is a reckless idiot?

    This is just M15 and Murdoch up to their usual Anti-Russian tricks

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  2. Hi Hubris!

    Thanks for your input. I have been just perplexed over this incident.

    I read this, posted it and thought, the one thing I still can't figure out, I can't understand is why put all those people on the one plane?

    I mean just about every vip was on that plane, who made this decision?
    It seems so foolish.

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  3. I agree - it does seem fishy - the whole thing seems fishy - but to be honest, I've tried to come up with a working theory that includes the fishiness, but to be honest they all fall down as soon as I try to look critically at them - It really does look like a real accident - hard to beleive, eh?

    Kaczynski was that stupid, unfortunately, which doesn't help when you're trying to cobble together an even half-way plausible conspiracy theory, let me tell ya :)

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  4. I find it too implausible to suppose that someone on the Russki side decided to take down that plane - that might be naïve of me though - which really only leaves Tusk and his crew or NATOy-types, the usual suspects, IMO

    Neither seems plausible since K was about to leave office soon and was unlikely to be re-elected - so I'm stumped as to a suitable candidate because no one seems to stand out enough, and none of them would have benefited enough to take such a risk, from what I can tell

    The best I could come up with is that someone wants his brother to get elected as Prez, and is hoping for a sympathy vote - which even I have to admit is F'n weak as a theory

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  5. Hubris:

    I have been thinkin' on this one, way to much and hell I have had the time, being under the weather...

    I think what is plausible is too look at this as a coup.

    Emanating from inside Poland.

    Factions within the Polish governmental structure, possibly NATO.

    The decision for all those vip's to be on the plane was made in Poland, and may have been exploited from within that structure.

    Perhaps there was even some sort of sabotage of certain systems within the plane- again done in Poland.

    I keep thinking about the plane having been previously overhauled?
    A year ago. So what does this really indicate? Not much, given within the time span of a year, many other hands came in contact with the plane.

    I don't think a sympathy vote for the brother is the issue.

    If as my new posts indicates, Poland was looking to extract itself from the EU, along with central bank disputes, the rejection of the WHO dictates this is about some much larger stakes then a sympathy vote

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  6. The decision for all those vip's to be on the plane was made in Poland, and may have been exploited from within that structure.


    Problem here is that you are assuming that someone actually sat down and made this decision - rather than an obscene rush to accompany the Prez by all and sundry - there apparently was a lot of competition to be on that plane - seems to me that no one shouted 'Stop - this is a bad idea! What if the plane crashes?'

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  7. Rather than presuming malice I'm going to presume ineptitude. The current crop at the helm in Poland ain't the brightest, IMHO

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  8. Hey Hubris,
    you may be correct, who knows, I will admit to not knowing alot of the Polish governments quirks etc.,

    What I do know, I have learned from reading media reports.

    But, there is one thing I have to disagree with you on.

    'Problem here is that you are assuming that someone actually sat down and made this decision - rather than an obscene rush to accompany the Prez by all and sundry'

    IMHO, I think it is safe to assume that there was planning involved in this plane trip.
    Perhaps not every single passenger was party to the plans and yes, there may have been some last minute passengers, but there was planning and decision making.

    I had in my reading come across the story of a man from the US who was supposed to be on the plane and someone from Canada also. Then aangirfan had mentioned a contingent of followers of Judaism that had changed their plans.

    Knowing all that, it is clear there were plans and decisions.

    That all said if this were some type of coup plot, it is pretty safe to presume, that not everyone one the plane would have been the intended target.

    Those that weren't could have been considered collateral damage.

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  9. Then aangirfan had mentioned a contingent of followers of Judaism that had changed their plans.


    yeah i saw that - and as the Rabbi said 'It was on the Sabbath, sooooo . . . .'

    I'm willing to give the good Rabbi the benefit of the doubt on this one.

    i did notice the central bank guy, thanks to you, and i also did a double-take when the Sikorski guy popped up as his possible replacement - weird historical shades of WW2-reversed/mirrored-timeloops swirling through the ether - 'Big Weirdness' as Hunter Thompson might have put it.

    Still sceptical as to a take-down of Kaczynski though. Gonna wait and see how the dice land before i make up my mind on this one

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  10. Hey hubris, always best to decide for oneself!

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  11. good comment with useful summary re: Poland that you might be interested in

    Winterpatriot.com

    http://www.winterpatriot.com/node/439#comment-7486

    The big winners from Solidarity's win over the communists were the Catholic Church and the CIA, the two backers of movement. They promptly took over and in many ways the Poles were worse off than before. Moral - choose your allies exceedingly carefully. Your enemy's enemy is not necessarily your friend.

    The RCC has long harboured a desire to re-establish it's Holy Roman Empire in Eastern Europe and Poland is the Jewel in the Crown of that little plan. (I believe it was the RCC's main reason for it's involvement with Nazi Germany during WW2 and then US/CIA afterwards)

    So now they have Poland and into the bargain, Poland has a government controlled central bank. So now this central bank has been instrumental in improving Poland's economy while everywhere else is going backwards in Europe by going against the other nations' (jewish owned) central banks actions, as far as I can tell. . . .. . "

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  12. ok it looks like you already read it - I just spotted yer name further down the page :)pushlne

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