Wednesday, June 8, 2011

Turkey's role in Syria's destabilisation

In today's news, regarding Syria, it is being reported that Turkey is opening it's borders to Syrian "citizens" fleeing Syria and this makes PM Erdogan sad.

This flight of "citizens" is alleged to be in advance of some possible retaliation coming down for the killing of 120 Syrian security personnel, in yesterdays attack on in Jisr al-Shughour.

I don't believe this. I will explain why.

Jisr al-Shughour is a town on the border near Turkey. I posted on this news yesterday.

Syria: Attack on Security Personnel & Fadwa al-Hatem: Who or what is this ?

Today it is being claimed that as many as 400 people have crossed the border into Turkey from Syria.
But, activists are claiming that almost all of the towns 40,000 inhabitants have gone.

"Activists in touch with people on the ground say that most of its 40,000 inhabitants have now left."

Must be quite a crackdown. NOT!

"There are no Syrian security forces along the border"

Where did the 40,000 people go? I am quite certain they are still in their homes in the town.
Think of how unrealistic this claim is.

"Around 400 people have illegally crossed the border into the Turkish province of Hatay, according to the Turkish foreign ministry, of whom 35 are in hospitals in the nearby city of Antakya."

Illegally? Really? Clearly Turkey let them in and is giving medical care to them. And no one from Syria is stopping the instigators from leaving.

So let's recap what it is we are looking at.

Yesterday an attack in Syria that saw "peaceful activists" kill 120 security forces and the theft of tons of dynamite
Today it is reported that 400 have crossed back into Turkey.
Claims unsubstantiated of course of an entire town of more then 40,000 gone.
BUT, not into Turkey. Oh and btw no Syrian troops at the border!

Here is what makes more sense-

The attack that took place in the border town of Jisr al-Shughour, was undertaken and conducted by outsiders, who came into Syria via Turkey.
Today, these same destabilizers left via the unguarded border that they entered through.
The 400 number with 35 wounded is just about right considering that as many as 120 security personnel were killed in Syria. In other words this was a band of marauders, that came into the border town and made trouble and then left before the Syrians could regroup.
And that Turkey is now fully involved in destabilizing Syria.

Even the BBC is reporting: "that hundreds have crossed the border into Turkey, ahead of an "expected" military assault."

Like I said, the troublemakers are fleeing back to where they came.

Your next question may be, well why do you think Turkey is involved with this attack in Syria.

Take a step back with me-Plans to manipulate Syrian Army- Outside coordination of uprisings

In that post I had a link to a piece from Foreign Policy. In that piece the author suggests using Turkey as an intermediary.

"Washington should also send private messages to the Syrian generals, preferably through Turkish emissaries and diplomats"

Then, there is the little point of who controls Turkey's military?

The writer of this article leaves the distinct impression that Turkey's military has a lot, perhaps complete external control.

"the Syrian military would oversee the transition from dictatorship to relative democracy and eventually step aside and play the role of the Turkish military, as a guardian of political stability and the democratic process."

The author promotes the possibility that the Syrian military should they decide to "dissent" could over see the transition in Syria, as in Turkey, as in Egypt??? The transition being from the government in place now, to one that enjoys the support of but is subservient to the West.

I will direct you to read an older piece, but, still relevant which describes the role of the Turkish military in Turkey.
To say the military runs the country is an understatement.
Turkey's Military Is a Catalyst for Reform
Very enlightening.
Despite repeated coups the military always turns the government over to "civilians"
In other words, step out of line and your gone!

Taking all that into consideration, the place of the attack, the number of dead Syrian security officers, the ease with which persons are crossing the border... The only conclusion that can be drawn is the attackers came from Turkey and are likely members of the Turkish military.

I would also like to point you over here to a piece by James :Syria Next? (Updated)

James added to my post from yesterday, with some help from NYSC @ thenakedfacts

Consider this a team effort.

I want to point your attention to a post put up by John Friend

"The Israeli delegation to the United Nations has dispatched a complaint letter to the UN chief and the president of the UN Security Council condemning Syria's "dangerous provocations" on its border with Israel on Sunday."

I left this response for John-

"Keeping an eye on Syria, this move by Israel may be the pretext for an invasion.

Because the knives are out for Syria, for sure.

Russia and China have said no to censure, somehow that has to be gotten around.

If Israel claims a right to "self-defence" The NATO nations will stand together."


  1. thanks for the link over and your comments on my blog, Pen.

    Because the knives are out for Syria, for sure.

    Russia and China have said no to censure, somehow that has to be gotten around.

    If Israel claims a right to "self-defence" The NATO nations will stand together."

    They'll stand together unless israel attacks another member like Turkey, that is. Israel, as always, uses alliances only when they are convenient and disregard them whenever it suits.

    Why anyone does any deal with israel is totally beyond me. But then, i'm not a psychopath. At least my mother tells me i'm not. Though she says "I have my little ways" (apologies to A.A. Milne)

    Anyway, back to the subject, an invasion of Syria is coming. All the signs are there. And god knows what the consequences will be.

  2. I meant to add, the Financial Times story about the 400 fleeing 'citizens' is a nice cover for the retreating troops.

    Great catch, Pen!

  3. Bjerkens has been saying for a long time that Erdogan is playing it for the jews, and the media deliberately makes a hero out of him so that he will deliver the Arab world into the plan.


    i had been skeptical but it makes sense. all that drama at Davos Jan 2009 when he marched out on Peres... just drama i guess.


    How do we explain this?

    Turkey also has a cooperation protocol with China in which soldiers from both countries train at each others military academies. The two countries are developing a kind of realpolitk as Turkey becomes somewhat like a tale of two cities.

  5. Re; DSK post - thanks for posting my comment.

    Guess that 503 was a temporary thing, anyhow it's gone now.

    Continuing the 'rape' story , its rape at the top, rape by security forces, rape as a weapon of war , yet not one of these media-focused cases seems to have any back up, while 'common' people probably have their rape cases ignored.

    What's great about the article is that nearly every comment dismisses the idea as rubbish.

    In fact 90% of what's 'fit to print' is total rubbish - but coordinated.

    If the Syrians are fleeing across the border doesn't that mean they'll be in Kurdish Turkey rather than Turk Turkey - if it makes a difference.


  6. Hey James

    NATO will side with Israel on this because they want to attack and take out Syria.

    Not the case with Turkey.

    If Israel goes to the UN and gets no satisfaction, and why should they?

    They will still attack Syria and NaTO will go along.

    At this point in time, that is how I see it.

  7. oh yeah sorry James, isn't that story a nice cover?
    I thought so

  8. Hey AP:

    I recall way back someone leaving a comment here saying Turkey is controlled by Israel.

    At that time I said, I am not ready to go there at this point in time.

    As of now......
    Seeing this destabilization that clearly emanated from Turkey.
    At least from the military, which does seem from what I have read to be controlled externally much along the same lines of Egypts army.
    It is not Erdogan pulling the strings of the military and I don't get the impression he has much choice but to go along to get along if he wishes to remain in office.

    As for Davos?
    I am now thinking we were looking at "theatre", it played well in the arab world. It gave Erdogan some credibility.
    He is going to lose it quickly if he gets to involved in Syria.

  9. DM: playing both sides?

    don't know what else to say at this time

  10. Hey Aferrismoon:

    no problem on that , it was to good a comment to let pass.

    Does the Turkish military not control the Kurdish area??

    I am not as up to speed on this as I should be, so if you have a chance and wish to expand on this, feel free

  11. The israelis are in thick with the Kurds. Have been for decades

    The special ops troops may not be turkish. Tey may have been israeli or even American using Turkish territory as a base and a refuge, but i'd put my money on israeli

    This is something the turkish military could facilitate without letting Erdagon know and then claim afterwards that they were lied to by the israelis. It's all too late then

  12. Surprise attacks, massacres and gratuitous butchery are israeli specialties.

    Turkey doesn't have the same motivation as the israelis do. plus security would have to be water tight for the massacre's success.

    So, again, it is more likely to be the israelis. I doubt they'd trust the turks to one carry it out anyway, and, two, not to leak the info to the Syrians.

    The israelis also have the power to plant the covering stories.

    that's all a bit jumbled so I hope you'll see what i mean

  13. It is not Erdogan pulling the strings of the military and I don't get the impression he has much choice but to go along to get along if he wishes to remain in office.

    Here ya go, Pen. Erdogan set to romp home on the elections today- The timing, of course, is purely coincidental .... not

    Erdogan set for comfortable win as Turks vote

  14. thanks James, I did really get the impression the election was at stake for Erdogan.

    What I would like to know is who pulls the strings of the army?
    Where do they get their money?