Friday, September 16, 2011

Libya: Recognizing the "government" or not? Excellent interview.

Gonna hit on some information on Libya, that is not being broadcasted on the idiot box-





The "rebels" so called have had trouble with infighting for a while. That situation looks to be getting worse- '12 die' in fight between rival anti-Kadhafi groups

"At least 12 people were killed and 16 wounded when two groups of fighters opposed to Moamer Kadhafi turned on each other in Libya's west, two officials said on Sunday."

This has got to see the NATO nations happier then the proverbial "pigs in shit"


This is an older news story, but, curious that this stance by China is in the same vein as the "recognition" Russia has given - China to recognize Libya rebels when "conditions are ripe"

"- China will recognize Libya's National Transitional Council as the legitimate government "when conditions are ripe," the Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday, without spelling out what those conditions would be."


Along the lines of "acknowledging" or not, the Transitional government in Libya.
The one the NATO nations are falling all over themselves to legitimize.
It is extremely telling to note the African Union is NOT RECOGNIZING the rebel "government" at this time.
They will however "recognize" the rebels as the official government "as soon as it forms an inclusive transitional government".

When and how is that going to happen?
It seems the Russians, Chinese and African Union are taking entirely different attitudes to the so called transitional government then the West is....

Question: If the new Libyan government is the "transitional" government, what will it be transitioning to? When will it be "transitioning"
Transitional indicates just what it says, transitional.
In transit. Moving, changing, morphing. Wondering if there is a "king" in waiting?

Good interview from Red Ice Radio-
There is some really good stuff there, unknown to myself until recently

Diana Johnstone - War on Libya: Perpretators & Manipulators

" Diana has written two very revealing articles for counterpunch.org called "Libya another Kosovo - NATO and Coalition Bombs for Peace" and "Why are They Making War on Libya?" We try to answer the questions of who is behind the "coalition "forces and why have they decided to attack Libya now? We also detail some of the Sayanim and Zionist agents that have been involved in this process. We specifically talk about Bernard-Henri Lévy as being the leading voice influencing Sarkozy in France to take action against Gaddafi and Libya. Stay with us for a very revealing hour. Topics Discussed: NATO, the war in Libya, US forces, Britain, France dropping the first bombs, Sarkozy, the debacle in Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan, regime change, oil, opium in Afghanistan, oil in Iraq, images of the atrocities, pre-emptive strike, United Nations, ground operations in Libya, the French connection, the Israel connection, Zionism, Sayanim, Richard Pearle and more."

About an hour long-
Interesting for the discussion on where the wealth from the oil goes...
NATO occupied government ( to the US and the stock market/banks) vs where it went under Gaddafi (to the people)
The involvement of Israel and the persuasion of the tool Bernard Henri Levy

10 comments:

  1. Thanks Pen, I'll have a listen tonight.

    There is _some_ good stuff on RedIce but sorting the wheat from the bullshit is tricky. I like Henryk's interview-style but he's too all-embracing for me. Maybe I'm not a freethinker after all ;)

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  2. Hello Penny. Sorry I’m not writing much at the moment but I still catch the stories. This may be a little off topic but I feel it is relevant.

    I just caught a story about Turkey’s president Erdogan making a speech in Libya on his ‘Arab spring’ tour.
    http://www.bobtuskin.com/2011/09/16/erdogan-tells-assad-time-for-oppressors-has-past/

    He was lecturing Syrian president Assad (seemingly) about the end of repressive dictatorships and warning the Iranians also.

    I mention this as Erdogan has reneged on backing the recent Gaza aid flotilla. He has also agreed to add a new component of the US anti-missile shield, allowed and abetted the infiltration of arms and fighters in Syria, and massively upped the public ‘disagreement’ with Israhell.

    I smell a rat.

    The Arab Spring is a multi jurisdictional spook scheme. Pick an alphabet agency – CIA, MI6, Mossad, the French (various).

    The Muslim brotherhood is intricately linked to undermining many of the regimes and they want to increase their presence in Egypt. The Western lackeys in Libya are of the same ilk and a common thread is that we see a massive resurgence of ‘fundamentalist’ (ie of the Saudi , Wahabbi school) Muslims in each country and throughout the theatre.

    My main thought was this. If you have watched the video series ‘The Arrivals’
    http://www.thewakeupproject.blogspot.com - warning it’s a long series - they foretell the arrival of a ‘false Mahdi’.

    I feel Erdogan is looking as if he fills that role. Why the tour and why play up to the anti-israhelli hype. He has shown since the murder of protestors on the Mavi Marmara that he has no real balls. Why now? Why threaten the Israhelli naval and other forces in the Med?

    I see him attempting to lead a resurgent ‘false’ and controlled Muslim movement against Israhell and all of it controlled by the spooks. Anyone who still believes that al-CIA-da and the spooks are enemies need only look at the rape and desolation imposed on Libya.

    Gadaffi and Libya are not finished yet. As always the vampires that fed on war will earn more money indirectly off the back of the Libyan resistance. I feel that as this ‘sideshow’ draws to an end another is now needed.

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  3. Hey Penny,...Excellent links, this whole Libya thing is not just a human travesty it is an embarrassing debacle from the perspective of an ex-soldier; these "rats" named so because they scatter at the first sign of a threat, have absolutely no military value whatsoever, they hang around like scavengers waiting to exploit the carrion of anything that NATO pulverizes, however, much to the frustration and chagrin of the tribe, they can only "liberate" a Gaddafi held town when it is a deserted, smouldering pile of rubble.

    From what I can gather, the only ground the rat-rabble infest is ground held by NATO Air-power - there is an old axiomatic adage about boots on the ground - "You can't hold ground from the air!" This was proved absolutely in Vietnam.

    Where are the Uni students? Where is the "Peace Movement"? Even a limited campaign of anti-war demonstrations would counter completely the MSM propaganda.

    That the last situation obtains, speaks loudly that the tribe is in control of this slaughter. What about those al-cia duh? Why isn't the fact that the jooSA government is recruiting these monkeys FRONT PAGE NEWS? Oh, sorry, I remember now, I get carried away sometimes.

    Hi Chucky, long time no read...I agree with your summation of erdogan, a muppet of the tribe, no other interpretation makes sense.

    veritas

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  4. The problem with the war being run as much by the media is that they have to have some kind of resolution by teatime and I assume are apt to make a whole heap of bull up as the acvtual situation undermines their story each and every day - eg : Libyan unity.
    Anti-Gaddaffi [ which should be translated as 'opportunists for power'.

    Its a credit to the African Union that they don't dismiss Gaddaffi as he apparently took steps to develop Africa acc. to African needs [ not that Gaddaffi is necessarily a 'good' man]

    Russia and China wait until it looks like there's something stable and consented to by the people before entering into recognition.

    In the West they'll recognise anybody, create an imbalance of power and someone gets shot and they have to recognise somebody else.


    By the way Celtic Rebel hopes to have Dave McGowan on his radio show this coming Sunday.


    cheers

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  5. hey freethinker!

    Yeah I notice that red ice is all encompassing.

    I too like Henrik's interviewing.

    Was thinking about that the other day as I listened to another interview,of someone I had heard Henrik interview.

    He just does a really good job of keeping the interview moving, good questions, he has a good understanding of the topic at hand.
    He does not interrupt on reinterpret what the person has says
    ala Alex JOnes..
    Let me know what you think?

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  6. Hey Chuckyman

    Erdogan = smelling a rat!
    I could not agree more with that sentiment.

    He was lecturing assad?
    The nerve!
    As he has been arming the destabilizers?

    As he set up the "camps for refugees" lol, that housed the fighters who were crossing back and forth to make trouble and promote violence in Syria.

    He should shut his mouth, period.

    The whole thing with Israel, IMO, has been nothing but theatre for the masses.
    To make Erdogan look to be a "good guy" a hero.


    'The Muslim brotherhood is intricately linked to undermining many of the regimes and they want to increase their presence in Egypt. The Western lackeys in Libya are of the same ilk and a common thread is that we see a massive resurgence of ‘fundamentalist’ (ie of the Saudi , Wahabbi school) Muslims in each country and throughout the theatre."

    The muslim brotherhood is a big factor in Syria also.
    I believe the creation of fundamentalist governments in these nations gives the West the justification they want to continue "intervening" in said nations for years to come.

    "Anyone who still believes that al-CIA-da and the spooks are enemies need only look at the rape and desolation imposed on Libya."

    No they are not enemies. Who could still think that? REally?
    ONe is the hand, the other the glove.

    Thanks for the comment chuckyman, I shall check out the link you left and will be back to reply to other comments later... hopefully?

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  7. hey veritas!

    'these "rats" named so because they scatter at the first sign of a threat, have absolutely no military value whatsoever, they hang around like scavengers waiting to exploit the carrion of anything that NATO pulverizes'

    I heard reported the exact same thing, the so called "fighters" come out after NATO carpet bombs some town to shoot innocent civilians that have managed to survive the bombing onslaught rained down by NATO.

    Have also heard reported horrendous stories of rape, mutilation etc.,

    Bad stuff.

    Glad to read clarity came back after a brief moment lost in the subterfuge of msm fog.

    Can't lose sight of the truth
    "You can't hold ground from the air"

    Makes sense.

    That said it looks as if the NaTO nations don't give a care about that.
    They are recognizing the "government" and are proceeding to the plunder checkout.
    In the name of humanitarianism of course..

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  8. nobody

    I second that yup and throw in a aha!

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  9. Aferrismoon!

    "The problem with the war being run as much by the media is that they have to have some kind of resolution by teatime and I assume are apt to make a whole heap of bull up as the acvtual situation undermines their story each and every day "

    That is very noticeable with the msm, as hard as they try to wrap up the Libyan conflict in a pretty package,they can't.
    Not even with fabricated narratives and phony photos.

    Thinking specifically of the whole Tripoli scenario and the fact that the pro-libyan forces keep "coming back"

    Since they never really went away..
    they don't actually come back.

    I will check out celtic rebel and thanks for letting me know :)

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