Thursday, September 8, 2011

Psychopaths are everywhere!

One just has to take a good hard look at the cruel, twisted world leaders to realize that!
Not coincidentally, there seems to be a group consciousness revolving around this topic.
Since I'm not a coincidence theorist, as I've stated on an number of occasions, I think this boils down to something Jung called the collective unconscious.

I like this definition

The collective unconscious is an universal datum, that is, every human being is endowed with this psychic archetype-layer since his/her birth. One can not acquire this strata by education or other conscious effort because it is innate.

We may also describe it as a universal library of human knowledge, or the sage in man, the very transcendental wisdom that guides mankind.

The transcendental wisdom that guides mankind

This all started out when I picked up the book- The sociopath next door.



Here is a little article to whet the whistle.

Yes, I would recommend the book! Highly.


At the same time AP posted a video at her blog : do you know one when you see one?
Shortly thereafter James put this up at his blog at Winter Patriot - The 95 % solution
Lo and behold A-13 puts up a most interesting post: Psychopaths Amongst Us

Holy smokes!
There is definitely something going on here!
Just as I start reading a book on psychopath/sociopaths, AP puts up a video then all this other information starts to appear via James and A-13.

Serendipity ? (btw, I love that word).. or collective unconscious.
I lean towards collective unconscious.

So, I am going to contribute to the collective unconscious.
The wisdom that guides humanity.
I came across an interesting interview.
This is the first time I have heard of this fellow.
Thomas Sheridan


Share your thoughts?

34 comments:

  1. Scum rises to the top.

    I remember a long time ago reading about moving up in Masonry. A fellow joins thinking it will be good for business, yada yada yada, all the usual naive stuff ~ no idea of what goes on upstairs.

    He gets in. Goes along with the programme. Then one day he is with one of his brothers and they pass a crucifix with the usual image of Jesus on it, the Christian icon of icons. The friend suggests he spit on it, pee on it, whatever.

    The guy KNOWS this is a test and he refuses to do such a thing. He thinks he has done the right, the Christian thing. He figures this was a good and natural reaction of his and might even be a tad put off by the suggestions he had been given.

    There is another guy who joined up, similarly naive. He is given, around the same time, the same challenge. And he happily whips himself out and does as requested upon the image. Not a single qualm about his actions, just he obeyed the suggestion.

    Guess which man will be considered to move up the ladder and which man will remain right where he is?

    This is how psychopaths reach such heights in any game they choose. It is no accident that the current pope has eyes that blaze evil.... just for an example.

    If any of these people ever had a conscience and empathy, it is stomped out by their "betters". And so they move up the ladder.... unless, as with so many of the elite, it is just bred within their psyche from before birth!

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  2. Thanks for the link over, Pen. Martha Stout's book THe Sociopath Next Door is excellent in my opinion.

    Here is an interview with Martha Stout which includes her "Rule of Threes" and "Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life"

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  3. Hey Noor!

    "as with so many of the elite, it is just bred within their psyche from before birth!"

    IN the interview the fellow talks of such a ritual involving fox hunting and children present.

    Fox hunting, Which by all reports is a sick twisted torturous cruel dismemberment of a tiny fox is supposed to be outlawed now in the UK.

    One would have to wonder at "adults" who would engage children in barbarism?

    Except for the purpose of traumatization?

    But, if one had a large tract of land (wealth) and the sickness to engage in this activity, why would the law stop it from happening.

    If you get a chance give a listen, this was the first time I had ever heard of or heard this person interviewed

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  4. Hey James!

    I concur completely about the book.
    I read through it in no time flat.
    Am reading her other book the myth of sanity, looking for enough background on the subject to tackle the ponerology book.

    I shall give a listen to the interview.

    Question?
    did you give a listen to the interview?

    I found some really thought provoking moments in it.

    How a psycopath targets their victim.
    What goes on in the brain of the victim once the psycopath turns on them.(hormone release etc.,)
    Then, this fellow went on to talk about how psychopaths can help the rest of us to become better human beings/society as a whole (interesting perspective)

    I put it on for my husband, hun, you have to listen to this.
    He balked, but it's 52 minutes.
    Then he started listening.....
    hm, this is interesting
    interesting
    and guess what he listened to the entire interview.
    I wished I could have accessed the second hour
    alas

    Thanks for the link James, I shall give a listen promptly!

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  5. make that I shall read promptly

    lol!

    I am in an audio state of mind

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  6. no i haven't Pen. It takes too long to load on my hook up. I can listen to elsewhere on Monday, though.

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  7. Hey Pen, did you ever hang out at smokingmirrors? Les was right into the whole psychopath thing with that book Ponerology. My take on it was that it was foolish to imagine that they're all born that way. As in any discussion of genes v environment the smart money plumps for both. Psychopaths can be made. No problems.

    And hey Noor. I don't know about the specificity of your example there but you're certainly correct in regards to the general mechanism. As far as I'm concerned it starts way earlier than that. Think about the initial introduction: you have to roll up one trouser leg, bare your breast to your opposite elbow, put a noose around your neck and then whilst a dagger is held to your heart swear to, I don't know... never rat your mates out, or something.

    Apparently this is full of symbolism. And the fact that it's absurd is merely an accident. Me, I spin it the other way around. I reckon the absurdity is the point. Voltaire wasn't wrong when he said those who can believe absurdities can be made to commit atrocities.

    With their induction ceremony, each initiate is basically declaring, 'I'm prepared to do what you say even though I don't understand it and it makes no sense'. Whomever is prepared to do this is precisely the fellow they're looking for. And from then on in, at each level they ramp it up in order to find out precisely how far they can take things before you start saying no. Whatever that point is, that'll be the end of your climb through the masons. The ideal candidate, of course, will stop at nothing.

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  8. Then wouldn't that collective consciousness endow everyone at birth with a homicidal maniac streak?

    Throughout history, there's an endless list of wars and barbaric acts people carry out against others, so I'm guessing that we all have that in our DNA, but it's a base instinct that you have to overcome, either by getting blessed with kind, loving parents or some kind of inner revelation, like those one encounters while taking hallucinogenic drugs.

    Mine was the latter.

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  9. Um, maybe. Who knows?

    It occurs to me that if collective consciousness does the work why write something like the talmud? And why teach it to people? Why bother smashing kids to pieces by way of ritual satanic abuse? Wouldn't it all be superfluous? Wouldn't they just turn into mindless killers by hanging around in the collective consciousness living room?

    Besides which, is there no collective consciousness of the Buddha dharma? Given that kindness exists, surely within the confines of a discussion couched in terms of collective consciousness, the latter must also exist. Okay then, who decides if any given individual is possessed by the good collective consciousness or the bad one?

    And when does this event take place? Is it fixed at birth and that's that? And why would it be fixed at all? Why couldn't you shed one and be possessed by the other?

    Follow that road to its logical conclusion and you'll be having to declare that there's no such thing as redemption. And following that, that there's no such thing as free will.

    Is that right? Surely you're not saying that?

    Can I rephrase my original point? A middle way always exists. Only computers are 1 or 0. Humans can be either, both, or neither - all behaviour lies on a continuum. Not forgetting time as a third value on any such continuum. This based on the unarguableness of the only certainty being change.

    And there's nothing about black hearted killers, say, that somehow makes them exempt.

    Yes?

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  10. Nobody, not ignoring you, just Greg's question, to good to pass up. Actually this may be a response to you, come to think of it?

    Jung called it the "collective unconscious"

    I used the word conscious

    unconscious is not always aware

    I don't think this collective knowledge, if you may, would necessarily lead to collective homicidal activity.

    Nor collective benevolence

    Because it is your choice what to do with the knowledge.

    Have you listened to Mark Passio at what on earth is really happening.

    He makes a good point about knowledge. It is neither good or bad, it just is.

    It is what you do with the knowledge that makes it destructive or beneficial.

    He points out that those who have more knowledge can use it against those that don't.

    Think of the use of fear
    Fear is a powerful, powerful motivator, it is primal, it resides in the lower level brain complexes
    It is what enabled us to survive all these years.

    It can, and is,being used against us, though most People don't realize that.

    Most people don't understand how their brain works.

    I don't fully but, I have done a hell of a lot of reading on it, for personal reasons and for some posts on this blog.
    I am certain that I am dipping a toe into the ocean of knowledge on the brain, but, am doing better then average in that respect.

    In the interview I posted he proposes no real genetic connection at this time.

    In the book I read by martha stout she, also based on research, sees no solid genetic connection.

    Man does have a history of war, but, when you think about it, it is always the "elite" psychophathic classes that manipulate the masses into the warmaking.

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  11. Excellent link Pen, great listen, and thanks for adding another keen mind to my list of contacts. A sharp fellow with keen insights . . . and it's no surprise that he sees all the major political agendas and false flags accordingly.

    In agreement, Noor. But to touch on your last point, and on Greg's comment . . . I think that there is very little behaviour, almost 0% in a HEALTHY person (there is that caveat) that is due to genetics. Almost entirely taught to us via experience, caregivers, observation, peers, teachers of things, environment in general.

    I've stated before on Nobody'd blog that my view of this has dramatically changed as I first matured into a full adult, then quickly swung off my "50/50" views once I had a child. For any intelligent observer of note, for which I unabashedly count myself as one, you can trace almost every nuance of thought, expression and habit for your little one from an outside source - often one of the parents or caregivers, sometimes another kid or relative, sometimes something they saw.

    This is why I am so, so sure that our children are being taught by television programming (no mistake about that word) to be psychopaths. To mold them to behavioural traits which will aid them in being controlled and manipulated more easily as adults. Which is why there is no cable tv in my house.

    Anyways, I have more to say but no time . . . agree with everything Nobody said - always a controller who wants more power and control, and funnelling people to war on one another, and having to direct their full energies towards something which gives them more power, as opposed to less. As it was with witch doctors and shamans and chieftans, so it goes with majority shareholders and the super-rich and secretaries of state.

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  12. hi Pen, i just had a chance to listen, it was great. it's great to see the information getting around. i will check out his blog. thanks for the link over too.

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  13. One thing to add on my point of what the split is between nature (traits passed on by genes) vs. nurture (parenting, environment):

    I have found that most people, including myself back in the day, when they couldn't pin point where a certain child's behaviour came from - they pinned it in "nature", genes. "It's just the way he/she is," they'd say, "He/she certainly didn't get it from one of us, or so and so's kids, or the babysitter . . .". And therein lies the fallacy that the entire point of genes/nature is based on: when we DON'T know where something is from, it's that.

    I mean, we wouldn't follow that logic with anything else where a myriad of possibilities not seen or known by us could be the influencing factors on the behaviour, would we? Well, unfortunately, that logic leap is indeed made countless times for countless arguments . . . but the point is, it's an assumption. And to top it off, I have not seen one seriously convincing scientific study for gene-based traits, although goodness knows they have tried their hardest to do this.

    They've tried their hardest to do this, because once they convince the public of this, they can convince them that bad people and criminals are born that way; and that on the other end, some people are born to rule you. It's the whole point of that effort.

    On a personal note, more than half the time I had assumed it was genetic (back in the day, when I did sometimes assume such things) I later observed the trait having been taught by something or someone. This is not just watching my own kids, but from watching my sibling's children as well, who I use to have very close contact with.

    And to close - let's face it, most of the time the trait is truly seen as genetic, it's a negative thing where the parents and caregivers want no part of the responsibility for it. Funniest for me is the aggressive kids who have parents wonder why their little boy has an aggressive mean streak, as they use the tv as a babysitter.

    'nuff said.

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  14. "Give me a baby, and I can make any kind of man" John B. Watson, founder of Behaviorism

    Interesting discussion! There is a movie titled "Human Resources" which cuts straight to the heart of the study and implementation of social engineering by the elite. It covers operant conditioning, trauma-based programming, compulsory public education and so forth. It's very well produced, the main theme being how we masses are regarded as "flesh and blood machines."

    Penny -"Fear is a powerful, powerful motivator"

    Watson -"The driving force in society is not love, but fear"

    Of course Watson's characterization reveals his true motives, and the motives of those who funded his research. His thesis could just have easily asserted that for the betterment of mankind the scientific method should be applied to figure out how to transform society from one driven by fear to one driven by love, rather that using it to figure out how to control society through fear.

    To the point about nature vs. nurture, Slozo makes an excellent observation. Rarely is a positive behavior dismissed as genetic.

    I think there was a quote similar to the one at the top, "human beings are not born, they are built". This works any way the "builder" sees fit. Society is made passive and servile, leaders are made callous, immoral, and authoritarian, sexual slaves are made obedient and dependent, incapable of perceiving the reality of their situation. I think the premise of the video is the foundation of many of the topics under discussion. Television, sociopathy, mind control, pathocracy, pedophocracy etc.

    It's 2 hours long, but imo, it's an excellent video. Use the download option, copy it to a thumb drive and watch it on your television if that's an option. It's suitable for the whole family.

    Good post and good topic Penny!

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  15. nobody: if you come back, I never spent much time at Les's place- no reason in particular, just never did.

    "With their induction ceremony, each initiate is basically declaring, 'I'm prepared to do what you say even though I don't understand it and it makes no sense'. Whomever is prepared to do this is precisely the fellow they're looking for. And from then on in, at each level they ramp it up in order to find out precisely how far they can take things before you start saying no. Whatever that point is, that'll be the end of your climb through the masons. The ideal candidate, of course, will stop at nothing."


    Thinking you nailed it pretty much on the head.
    BUT, apply that to the masses.
    Pushed everyday with lies, manipulations, terrorized by governments.
    When will the masses say no?

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  16. Nobody again!
    "It occurs to me that if collective consciousness does the work why write something like the talmud? And why teach it to people? Why bother smashing kids to pieces by way of ritual satanic abuse? Wouldn't it all be superfluous? Wouldn't they just turn into mindless killers by hanging around in the collective consciousness living room?"

    Because the collective consciousness living room is not inundated to the extreme with psychopathy?

    Just a thought?

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  17. Greg "or some kind of inner revelation, like those one encounters while taking hallucinogenic drugs.

    Mine was the latter."

    I tell ya, that gave me a smile.
    Have you heard of "The spirit molecule" DMT?

    http://thespiritmolecule.com/

    heard this movie maker interviewed, but, haven't watched the movie, needless to say it was an interesting interview

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  18. You are most welcome slozo!

    I really enjoyed the interview, I will get around to linking his blog in the sidebar. I spent a brief amount of time reading there, and it is definitely worth the link over and when I have the time more reading

    he is on blogger like most of us

    http://labyrinthpsycho.blogspot.com/

    "This is why I am so, so sure that our children are being taught by television programming (no mistake about that word) to be psychopaths. To mold them to behavioural traits which will aid them in being controlled and manipulated more easily as adults. Which is why there is no cable tv in my house."

    Oddly enough slozo, that is my take on it, that society is being turned into a psychopathic society, where as a whole, the masses care about nothing but their own "desires" sex, food, money, entertainment, always entertainment.
    Reduced to the base brain or reptilian level. Perpetually in fear and easily manipulated.

    There is no cable in my house either.
    I feel that myself and family are better off for it.
    Truly.
    And have more money!

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  19. slozo!

    Again, dammit!

    "They've tried their hardest to do this, because once they convince the public of this, they can convince them that bad people and criminals are born that way; and that on the other end, some people are born to rule you. It's the whole point of that effort."

    exactly what I see in the whole "genetic" bullshit.
    The rulers will have the privilege of the "genes".
    I think this has been along time coming. Thinking about Darwin.

    As for the elites, given that a great many of them are inbreeders, what the hell does this say about their "genetics"
    Including Darwin.

    Cripes didn't the prince just marry his cousin?
    (william and kate?)

    these people are sick!

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  20. Blammo!

    Dynamite, bookmarked for later.

    I was thinking of a couple of posts I did way back on another doctor, he was the one who put his own daughter in a box.
    He did some famous experiments
    BF Skinner! It finally came to me

    He said a very similar statement

    "Give me a child and I'll shape him into anything."

    Love is the driving force. People don't realize it.
    Fear has been used against us for so long,love has been turned into sex and forgotten.

    I was listening to something the other day, who was it

    A woman anyway and she said
    "We have forgotten to be human"
    Amen to that !

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  21. One more thing

    Taking BF Skinners statement further

    ""Give me a society and I'll shape it into anything."

    summarizes it nicely

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  22. Blammo - that sounds like a documentary I saw over at another blog of note - undeletedevidence, which you should check out if you know not of it. It is scary stuff indeed.

    I have to fight almost every day against the negative brainwashing and propaganda attempts directed towards my children. And when both are school age, it WILL be every day. Best I can do is arm them with the skills they need and be there for back-up . . . but the task at hand is daunting, at times.

    Skinner's air crib - simply designed to eliminate as much human contact as possible. Child will have very little feeling of being loved, have zero self-esteem and will be easily molded.

    And easy to sell to lazy parents, as of course, it means less work. And kids ARE a lot of work.

    That's why they were meant to be raised by extended families and communities too . . . and why it's so easy for a busy, double income family to resort to tv babysitters.

    BF Skinner was a psycho.

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  23. Slozo and Blammo, on fire! Excellent stuff. I particularly like the idea of last-word, scientific utterances (as to the primacy of genetics) as mere propaganda. Of course! They start with their world-is-thus and find whatever serves and ignore everything else.

    Thinking about it, the logic underlying the genetics meme is not a million miles away from Tibetan Buddhism and their use of Karma as a reason the serfs deserve being fucked over.

    Otherwise Pen, as for collective consciousness, I don't buy it myself. It's possible I guess, but frankly I view it as a dubious proposition. I merely used it because that was how Greg was framing the conversation.

    And never mind smoking mirrors - I no longer go there. Too much cruelty, ie. 'when the shit comes down the sheeple will deserve their fate because they're so stupid'. The problem for me is that not so long ago I was one of those sheeple. It could be argued that the reason I got past that mindset is through sheer dumb luck.

    And speaking of cruelty, Les was always happy to let people tear each other apart in his comments. And I was guilty of that, sure, but I'd even it out by being a conciliator. Les never did.

    And there's also him urging the rightness of: communing with spirits in graveyards; the tarot; the kabbalah; karma (see above, ha ha); Blavatsky and all that quasi-luciferian theosophy stuff; and not forgetting his whole guru vibe with him talking to the Gods - it's endless really.

    And then you plug that into Dave McGowan and suddenly Les (whose background could precisely belong to any one of dozens of people in Programmed To Kill) suddenly starts to become possessed of a creepy vibe.

    Not forgetting, he's in tight with Mike Rivero with his all-jews-all-the-time vibe. Mike not only ignores the pedophocracy, he goes in hard to dismiss it as hysterical bullshit. And at Les' the pedophocracy / satanist thing is either of no interest or is dealt with scornfully. Mind you it's been ages since I was there so who knows what his line is now.

    And whilst it's possible that Les' resemblance to some kind of MKULTRA psy-op is accidental, the further away from it I get, the less I think so.

    Weirdly Les still has me on his blogroll. This in spite of me having written several pieces on him and each getting progressively less euphimistic. And he never piled in or expressed an opinion - always ever above the fray, Frank Zappa style. Or Charlie Manson, ha ha, who, believe it or not, Les met. Anyway, it might be time to stop tiptoeing around and force him to the point where he has no choice but to cut me from his blogroll.

    Hmm... I'll entitle it:

    "Who's a girl gotta fuck to get thrown through a plate glass window in this bar?"

    Not bad, a bit clunky perhaps.

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  24. Slozo! I see HHQ did post that same video some time ago. I encountered the video before I tripped headlong into the abyss of truth-seeking, but I hereby apologize in advance for anything I may post which has been done before and passing it off as an original find/thought because I often do forget my sources in short order. My mother finds it amusing that her son often experiences those "senior moments" with the same frequency that she does. She also finds it amusing that I don't find it so amusing ;)

    That said, it'd be interesting to watch it again and look for things I hadn't picked up on before. I think the video does cover the work of Skinner and Bernays. I'm pretty sure they stopped following the money trail at the Rockefellers. And yes, I follow undeleted evidence and it is brilliant as well.

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  25. And hey Noor. I don't know about the specificity of your example there but you're certainly correct in regards to the general mechanism. As far as I'm concerned it starts way earlier than that. Think about the initial introduction: you have to roll up one trouser leg, bare your breast to your opposite elbow, put a noose around your neck and then whilst a dagger is held to your heart swear to, I don't know... never rat your mates out, or something.

    Nobby, there's a book i read too many years ago called "Darkness Visible:a Christian appraisal of Freemasonry" by Walton Hannah who was an Anglican priest. (you might find it in a library somewhere) He was alarmed at the freemasons' influence in the Church of England. He details all their initiations.

    In that first initiation there is also someone behind the initiate from memory with a spear or something similar. The initiate is asked if he is joining for reasons of personal gain. The 'correct' answer is 'no' but, of course it really is yes.That's the enticement after all.

    The point of it, in my estimation, is to have the initiate lie and to do it while very fearful. He weakens himself spiritually at this point and will find it exceedingly difficult to resist the masonic cult thereafter.

    If you can give any credence to demonology, it is at this point that the initiate allows the entrance or attachment of a demon or seven. These rituals are routinely dismissed by masons as ancient curiosities and not to be taken too seriously. But this is not the case at all.

    Follow that road to its logical conclusion and you'll be having to declare that there's no such thing as redemption. And following that, that there's no such thing as free will.

    couldn't agree more. There is evidence that we can change our DNA at a cellular level and pass it on to the next generation, but there has to be choice involved too to activate it. And, indeed, this is being confirmed by the same research. Dr. Bruce Lipton is the man to look up.

    Together with this is the ton of evidence that children can be turned into psychopaths, though not always. So choice at some level is involved here too.

    So the 'smart money' (i'd bet all of yours on it, for instance) really is on nature and nurture.

    Les' grandiose missives are a bit of a give away of something loose in the top paddock.

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  26. Hey Penny. The Vaults of Erowid are a massive collection of all things drug related.

    They have a section on DMT user experiences you may be interested in.

    There are related substances called 5-MeO-DMT and 5-MeO-DIPT. They used to be unscheduled and available for purchase online, though I think that has changed. I'll have to check out The Spirit Molecule.

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  27. Hey nobody;

    regarding smoking mirrors?
    since I have never really read there, I won't comment on all you have said.

    I will share this.

    way back I read there every now and then, but, it didn't click. at all.
    I found some of the commenters were just bizarre and kind of fawning... I couldn't understand the fawning at all!
    First off I am not much for fawning over anyone, except my husband.:)
    Second, he seems to rehash the same stuff and I like a lot of variety in my reading.

    THat all said I haven;t looked there for a long, long time.
    Perhaps things have changed or from what you have said, it sounds like it is getting worse.

    "Too much cruelty, ie. 'when the shit comes down the sheeple will deserve their fate because they're so stupid'. The problem for me is that not so long ago I was one of those sheeple. It could be argued that the reason I got past that mindset is through sheer dumb luck."

    Hm. sounds like a ptb attitude, no?

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  28. Blammo!
    "I hereby apologize in advance for anything I may post which has been done before and passing it off as an original find/thought because I often do forget my sources in short order."

    LOL, do you know how often that happens to me?

    I saw something somewhere?
    Heard this in this interview?
    Dam, where did I read that?

    That is just being a human with to much on the plate.
    :)

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  29. anonymous:
    thanks for all the links!
    I will have a look

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  30. Pen! I listened to Thomas Sheridan and he's GREAT!

    Here's a short video endorsing Martha Stout's "The Sociopath Next Door"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJew7gqeais

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  31. hey james!
    I am so glad you enjoyed it! :)
    (and thanks for letting me know you listened in)

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  32. hey Pen, not only did i enjoy listening to Thomas Sheridan but i blogged on him and his ideas.
    I thought you'd be interested to know. Here 'tis

    The 95% Solution Pt2 - Thomas Sheridan

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