Continuing on with the importance or non-importance of the UN statement yesterday.....
Depending on, of course, your own opinion.
I want to expand along the lines of thought, both were mentioned in the previous days post
“Did the West blink and for how long?”
No matter how this was spun...Russia joined the West. China joined the West.
These claims do not appear to be accurate.
If the claims had been accurate or truthful what should have taken place was a Security Council Resolution vote, put forward with no fear of a VETO from either Russia or China.
That did not happen. Instead we get an agreement to some watered down statement.
I am not optimistic this “statement” signals the end of the destabilization of Syria by the NATO goon squad. The statement seems at best a public relations stunt for all concerned and a ticket for NATO to regroup and strike again at Syria.
Yes, I could be wrong. Of course.
That said I will explain why this is politics at it’s most misleading and why I believe this is all a ruse to buy some much needed time.
For NATO, including Israel, special ops and their partners in murder the Saudi/Qatar religiously inspired/created terrorists.
Briefly recapping on what was asked yesterday-
“Did the West agree to this "statement" to buy some time as their war games and terrorists were unable to secure necessary territory etc?”
Problem # 1 for NATO-
We know that the Syrian army was able to take back a lot of territory that the NATO backed rebels had seized, for the purpose of, as they label it, no-fly or humanitarian purposes.
Syrian Army recovered land very near to the Turkish border. Along with the border of Lebanon and Jordan. All points where porous borders had led to an influx of foreign arms, fighters and “journalists”
In fact the other day (Tuesday) it had been reported that fighters had fled back through the desert into Iraq.
“Rebel fighters fled the eastern Syrian city of Deir al-Zor on Tuesday.
The flight from the remote desert city, which lies on the road to Iraq, marked the latest setback for the armed opposition, which also faced accusations of torture and brutality from a leading human rights body.”
So by all accounts Syria had taken back control back of it’s territory. Enough of it to put a damper on the NATO agenda.
Problem # 2 for NATO -
The Opposition in Turkey is splintering every which way.
This has to be resolved so the fight can be picked back up with resolve.
We have some upcoming meetings that need to be looked at.
What is the agenda? What are the goals?
Syrian opposition seek to heal rift at Turkey meeting
Opponents of President Bashar al-Assad will try to overcome crippling feuds and plot a more coherent strategy at a meeting sought by Turkey early next week, opposition sources said on Wednesday.
However, the groups' failure to on agree who should attend the Istanbul meeting has increased doubts about their ability to overcome the deep divisions frustrating foreign powers seeking a reliable partner to unite the anti-Assad movement.
The meeting is provisionally set for Monday (March 26th) and will come just ahead of an April 1 Istanbul conference of the "Friends of Syria" (another one!)- a loose alliance of more than 50 states looking to oust Assad after a bloody 12-month revolt against his rule.
There is another report that this meeting is taking place sooner then next Monday
“ I suspect that the upcoming opposition meeting in Turkey this Thursday and Friday (March 22-23) will reflect some of that shift.”
In the above linked article Josh Landis lays out what will happen with the NATO opposition or as he calls it :Phase II insurgency
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, an increasingly vocal critic of Assad, has said he has high hopes of the April 1 conference and has suggested that Turkey might consider setting up buffer zones inside Syria to protect an influx of refugees (read fighters)Clearly, clearly, clearly Turkey has not changed it's mind about the role it plays in bringing down Syria. After all Turkey wants to be on the "right side" of history....
Any talk that Turkey is having second thoughts on their NATO role in Syria's ruin is in my opinion, wrong.
This article on “Turkey’s recalibrations” makes clear Turkey is up to their teeth in the plot to destroy Syria and they have not gone soft on that plan-
“They (Turkey) wanted to position themselves on the right side of history, expecting the Syrian regime to fall in weeks as in Tunisia and Egypt,” said Paul Salem, director of the Carnegie Middle East Center in Beirut.
Turkey now hosts Syria's main opposition groups and shelters the rebel Free Syria Army on its side of the common frontier.
On Apr.1, it will be the venue of a meeting of Western and Middle Eastern officials and groups involved with Syria.
Assad has shown himself to be impervious to verbal assault and resilient to increasingly violent protests and guerrilla attacks. He is also for now at least largely insulated from strong United Nations-backed action due to the vetoes of China and his backer Russia on the Security Council.A stalemate. Hence the statement. Which everyone knows is doomed to fail.
“Right now there is a disappointing situation for Ankara,” said Salem. “What they banked on didn't happen. Their bluff and bluster was met by bluff and bluster from the Syrian side and now we are certainly in a bit of a stalemate.”
Will there be another UN Security Council vote? Doubtful.
It looks as if this whole attempt at regime change will be brought on through Turkey.
Without backing from the U.N., or at least the Arab League and NATO, Turkey is unwilling to go it alone in Syria. But with a 900-km (560-mile) border with Syria, more than 16,000 Syrian refugees (??) on its soil and hundreds more arriving each day, it is not a problem from which Ankara can simply walk away. (Refugees includes massive numbers of fighters)
Erdogan said last week setting up a “safe” or “buffer zone” along the border was one of the options under consideration, but that would mean troops going into Syria to seize and secure territory which the rebel Free Syrian Army has failed to do.
This article, once you pick through the spin has some good info...US tells Turkey back of on Syria
I love that headline. It makes it really clear who is running the show. And it ain’t Turkey!
"In a previously unreported turn of events, it has now come to light that US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in her meeting with Turkey’s Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu last month, emphatically dismissed a number of forward leaning options on Syria that the Turkish top diplomat proposed to the Obama administration. “
A previously unreported turn of events! That is priceless.
You should really read that as, we are rewriting the narrative because we have had set backs. “Previously unreported” I roll my eyes!
If Turkey was told to back off the buffer zone etc., last month, then why was Turkey still promoting the idea just last week???
However, last week, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan once again floated the idea of a buffer zone, adding that the next Friends of Syria meeting, scheduled to take place in Istanbul on April 1, would come up “with very different results,” without elaborating further.
A little further down this gem- which confirms what I had suspected.
This would explain the Obama administration’s eagerness to support the Kofi Annan mission, as well as its praise for the non-binding UN Security Council statement issued yesterday. Secretary Clinton hailed the statement even when it contained no mention of Assad’s departure from power, no time constraints on Annan’s mission, and no specific or credible threat of action in case of Syrian non-compliance, to say nothing of how its call for dialogue between the regime and the opposition flies in the face of the US policy of regime change.
Now the reason the article gives for this praise, which is such baloney, is this-
“what the statement did do is buy the administration more time to continue pressing its regional allies against any military options”
Do you believe that? I don’t!
The US may wish to look as if it is not involved because of the upcoming elections, but that is just for show. The US is involved, clearly.
So we have to keep our eyes on the meeting either set to take place over the next couple days or on Monday of the following week. Then the "Friends of Syria" meeting on April 01/2012.
Who is in attendance? Who isn't? All that kind of stuff!
I am going to mention the upping of the spin levels.....
This headline from the National (joke) Post is just one example of outrageous spinning
Syria is an invented country that’s about to fall apart
How very Israeli propaganda in nature?
But then, it is the National Post
Update # 1 begins ...
This is an interesting read, left by an anonymous commenter- Thanks.
From the friday-lunch-club:
The WaPo & Lebanon's neocon sets the NYT straight: UNSC 'statement' makes the Arab League plan 'meaningless!'
An attempt to see this from the Russian perspective or bring the Russian perspective out...
From James who raises a number of concerns on the UN statement.
The UN statements in italics. Thoughts from James below each UN statement.
To this aim, the Security Council fully supports the initial six-point proposal submitted to the Syrian authorities, as outlined by the Envoy to the Security Council on 16 March 2012, to:Lots of good reading!
1)commit to work with the Envoy in an inclusive Syrian-led political process to address the legitimate aspirations and concerns of the Syrian people, and, to this end, commit to appoint an empowered interlocutor when invited to do so by the Envoy;
“Syrian-led political process” Who is that? It's meaningless but it probably is read by the unwary as “Syrian govt led”. It could equally be the terrorists. “An empowered interlocutor” is actually an oxymoron. “Empowered” means someone in charge. SO this means the UN would place someone in charge and the Syrian govt would be subservient to him ie the UN
2) commit to stop the fighting and achieve urgently an effective United Nations supervised cessation of armed violence in all its forms by all parties to protect civilians and stabilise the country. To this end, the Syrian government should immediately cease troop movements towards, and end the use of heavy weapons in, population centres, and begin pullback of military concentrations in and around population centres.
This means retreat for the Syrian armed forces leaving the battle field to the terrorists. It is obvious from this that the terrorists are getting the worst of the fighting. Otherwise there would be no need for NATO to be pushing this through the UN
As these actions are being taken on the ground, the Syrian government should work with the Envoy to bring about a sustained cessation of armed violence in all its forms by all parties with an effective United Nations supervision mechanism.
“An effective United Nations supervision mechanism” could very well mean armed forces ie NATO forces under a UN flag”
Similar commitments would be sought by the Envoy from the opposition and all relevant elements to stop the fighting and work with him to bring about a sustained cessation of armed violence in all its forms by all parties with an effective United Nations supervision mechanism;
Yeah, right. Just as soon as the Syrian army retreats. One sided as Freethinker has quoted Lizzie Phelan. Physical concessions on one side and promises by third parties on the other.
3)ensure timely provision of humanitarian assistance to all areas affected by the fighting, and to this end, as immediate steps, to accept and implement a daily two hour humanitarian pause and to coordinate exact time and modalities of the daily pause through an efficient mechanism, including at local level.
Humanitarian assistance by whom? And there's that “efficient mechanism” again! Plus two hours each day for the terrorists to restock and regroup. This temporary truce is a long time practice of the israelis when they are in trouble.
4)intensify the pace and scale of release of arbitrarily detained persons, including especially vulnerable categories of persons, and persons involved in peaceful political activities, provide without delay through appropriate channels a list of all places in which such persons are being detained, immediately begin organising access to such locations and through appropriate channels respond promptly to all written requests for information, access or release regarding such persons;
NATO want their stooges out of prison or at least to know where they are so they can spring them from prison.
5)ensure freedom of movement throughout the country for journalists and a non-discriminatory visa policy for them;
For 'journalists' read MI6/CIA agents
6) respect freedom of association and the right to demonstrate peacefully as legally guaranteed.
"The Security Council calls upon the Syrian government and opposition to work in good faith with the Envoy towards a peaceful settlement of the Syrian crisis and to implement fully and immediately his initial six-point proposal.
Syria will inevitably be described as not working in good faith.
"The Security Council requests the Envoy to update the Council regularly and in a timely manner on the progress of his mission. In the light of these reports, the Security Council will consider further steps as appropriate."
Then the Security Council will be asked to increase intervention