Tuesday, June 26, 2012

Syria: Turkey will create a buffer zone as NATO desires

Emboldened by NATO's support, PM Erdogan makes it clear that troops are moving down to the border and likely right into Syria. This latest will result in a buffer zone inside of Syria.

Buoyed by support from his country’s NATO allies, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned Syrian forces on Tuesday to stay clear of their troubled border or face a Turkish military response to any perceived threat

“Every military element that approaches the Turkish border from Syria in a manner that constitutes a security risk or danger would be considered as a threat and would be treated as a military target,” he said in a speech to lawmakers attended by Arab diplomats.  

The Turkish border is also the Syrian border. Erdogan is aware Syria has a right to defend it's territory and is now using language that indicates if Syria dares come near it's own border Turkey will consider it a threat and use military force.

Of course Erdogan has had no problem breaching Syria's border all along. Since June of last year. When the first big attack came through.

Since then, the 550-mile border has become a critical fault line and potential flash point, used by an increasingly sophisticated network of activists in southern Turkey smuggling crucial supplies into Syria including weapons, communications gear, field hospitals and even salaries for soldiers who defect.

 Turkey mobilizes tanks, troops to Syrian border


 The Turkish military mobilized large numbers of reinforcements from its eastern provinces to the Syrian border on Tuesday, amid rising tension with Damascus, after the downing by Syria of a Turkish Air Force jet on Friday, Turkish media reported.

Large numbers of Turkish troops — including at least 15 long-range artillery pieces and tanks – moved to the Syrian frontier from the eastern city of Diyarbakir. A video published by the Turkish Cihan News Agency showed Turkish tanks being transported by carrier trucks toward the frontier.

The father of one of the pilots says it is not appropriate to go to war over this incident

The father of one of the two missing pilots who were shot down in Friday’s incident told Turkish newspaper Hürriyet Daily News that he opposed Turkey going to war over his son.
“It is not appropriate for a country to go to war over a pilot, an airplane or 50 airplanes,” Ali Erton said. He said he was aware of the risks his son took as a military pilot, but added “what matters is that my son serves his country.”


NATO's despicable statement - 

Thanks Felix!

 Where is the concern for all the Syrians being killed by NATO's terrorists? 

Will a no fly zone be the next move? As NATO desires?


  1. Turkey's downed jet: NATO action in disguise? asks RT. Did NATO get 'Friend or Foe' codes from the defecting Mig?

    1. Very Interesting.
      The intrusion was without a doubt a military operation.

      Could Syria have been expecting this, hence the automated shoot down?

      Did they turn off or alter the coding somehow?

      With my hubby helping me out big time here...

      From SANA; Makdessi said that the Syrian anti-air defenses operate automatically in such cases, and that even if the unidentified aircraft was Syrian....it would have been shot down

      Is he suggesting that the automated fail safes were shut off therefore able to target to any and all aircraft including Syrian, but there were no Syrian planes flying.

      In other words, Syria had anticipated the codes were compromised, expected a test, and passed the test.

    2. Wouldn't "automatically" simply mean that the gunners on the ground have the ability shoot without getting permission and indeed are ordered to shoot if there is a threat?

      I'm no military expert but it makes sense to have an automatic system like this to take the thinking out of it--it would be too confusing to have these individual soldiers trying to determine real attacks from fake ones. Better to set clear rules for them to follow and prevent gaming of the system by the enemy.

      That's what I think "automatic" means. Sounds like these are guys with a radio that ask the plane to identify it and when it doesn't they start shooting.

      Do we have photos of the downed plane with the bullet holes and thus confirming the Syrian position?

      Btw, this probably explains the sudden discovery of the second plane by Turkey. They probably realized they fell for yet another trick by Syria . . . that Turkey took the bait and claimed they were in international waters when Syria had proof . . . so Turkey then muddied the waters by claiming another plane was involved.

    3. WWM: I will leave your question about defining automatic for someone who, hopefully, know more on this subject them myself?

  2. This could be real...I've watched this debkafile site for many years, and though it is Israeli, they have been correct SO many times before - and they disclose a lot of stuff that the rest of the mass media never even mentions, or way before anyone else reports it.

    British forces in Syria, Assad presidential compound said under attack


    Sounds like they have an SAS group (or several) directly involved over there - probably just hopped across the Med from their base in Cyprus aboard some of those Chinooks that Marie sees flying around there all the time, huh?

    1. Thanks LVB
      going to check it out! :)
      and your updated post

    2. World Wide Socialist News has a good report. It describes Debka as a "right wing Israeli intelligence we site." http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/syri-j27.shtml

      I guess we will see if Debka is reliable.

      I am a little suspicious of them and felt like it was putting out disinformation before. I think there are a number of controlled opposition sites that put out disinformation: like Wikileaks, Stanford, Anonymous and those files the U.S. found about al Qaeda in Iraq. Sorry I can't remember the particulars to back up my impression about Debkafile.

  3. the genocide in syria makes its way to australia in a way even FM Bob Carr cant miss:
    HE small Alawite community in Australia say they have been targeted by vicious "jihadist" attacks as the bloody Syrian conflict spills over into Arabic communities in Sydney and Melbourne.

    Alawi community leaders say the decision of Foreign Minister Bob Carr to expel Syria's charge d'affaires, Jawdat Ali, last month, after the massacre of an estimated 92 men, women and children in the village of Houla, inflamed threats to "hunt down" Alawis in Australia.

    Attacks over the past four months include a young father being shot in the doorway of his home in Sydney's west after a heated Facebook exchange and a prayer room being fire-bombed in Melbourne's north.

    eve Bob Carr cant be so blind as not to see the reality of syria being recreated in australia...so how can he attack the syrian govt while ignoring the FSA terrorism? is he corrupt?

    1. Hoping some of the Australians that pop in here can take care of that one?

      Bob Carr? Anyone?

    2. Isn't it odd that I've seen actual calls to genocide beamed into Syria and yet we don't hear anything about it in the Western press? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0U9Rw6tVwI

      Can you imagine if Assad had state television beam in clerics calling for the murder of Jewish women and children? It would be plastered all over the news and the U.S. would use it as a cause for war.

      But when the West sponsors genocide it is hidden from us. What balls these evil people have--to claim their victims are terrorists when it is them engaging in terrorist acts of barbarism.

  4. moving troops into syria is an act of war../.but then the mad turks do bomb kurds in Iraq! the law is something they ignore unless it suits them

    1. Sure it is, but, look at all the acts of war that have been visited upon Syria?

      With the mass media mind control firmly in place, most don't even realize the truth of the matter

    2. The laws of war have been turned upside down. The terrorists are pretending to be heroes. And they have the MSM to assist them to pull this grand lie off.

      Here's Article 2(4) of the UN Charter:

      "All members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."

      Turkey has committed a violation by rushing troops to the border and threatening to invade Syria. They are also violating the law by threatening to shoot at Syrian forces on Syrian soil when they are engaging in self defense against the rebel terrorists.

      Of course Turkey and the West have committed other even more blatant crimes . . . like secretly attacking Syria and engaging in terrorism and media propaganda.

      It disgusts me seeing how they are able to pull the wool over the eyes 99.9% of the people. People are going about their day here in the U.S. while their government is engaging in massive terrorism and war crimes and lying to them about it.

      These war criminals are brazen and there doesn't appear to be anything stopping them. I mean they are literally hijacking the airwaves and pumping in death threat propaganda. Can you imagine being a helpless family in Syria and to see CIA terrorist clerics on your television promising to kill women and children and then you see NATO and Turkey support these terrorists! It has to be terrifying! And my country is engaging in this massive terrorism against tens of thousands of people.

  5. one thing is clear...we are seeing elements of Libya propaganda in the following: 'The Alawi pro-regime Shabiha militia has been at the centre of massacre allegations in Syria.'...remember the libyan africa mercenaries>? the rats used this lie to justify genocide....we are seeing the same meme at work...used to justify salafist war on syrians alwaites...and channeled by the media...this and he libyan mercenary story have a common source

  6. State-run TV station attacked, 3 staffers killed, Syria says

  7. Syriangirl Partisan shared a link.
    Footage Proves Turkish Jet Violated Syrian Airspace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o20bM4mh_c&feature=plcp
    I Talk to Dr. Ali Mohamad Editor in chief of www.syria-tribune.com/en/ that can verify the authenticity a video showing the moment the The turkish F-4 was shot down.
    The footage shows that low range anti-air batteries were used as apposed to long range surface to air missiles. Although Turkish president abdullah Gul already admitted the Jet violated Syrian airspace Al jazeera and other media are now claiming the Jet was in international airspace . Spokesman for the Syrian foreign Ministry Dr.Jihad Makdissi, said in a press interview a few hours ago that Jet was within Syrian airspace and that Anti-air batteries were used and this video along with Dr.Ali Mohamad clearly supports this claim

  8. I thought I'd let you know what I heard last night from the Cyprus state broadcaster (CYBC) correspondent in Constantinople (her name is Andri Andreou) She said that Turkey is moving armaments and troops to the boarder with Syria and is setting up a buffer zone! The reporter said it straight. It's a buffer zone as of today!

    I've just heard on BFBS radio news that an independent TV station (mouth piece for Assad loyalists) as they put it, was attacked and destroyed by 'freedom fighters'! The report goes on to say 'Assad is using this for maximum propaganda effect!'!!!!!!!

    NO one cares whether any real journalists were massacred or anything like that!

    Taking over and attacking TV and radio may be part of the agenda for installing the 'faux-satellite news reports' that people have been theorizing about?

    aka Marty

    1. Thanks Marie/Marty

      So they used the B word, did they?!
      B = Buffer zone.
      Anyone think Putin has called Erdogan yet??
      Figuring there has to be ongoing communications?

    2. Is Putin back from paying homage to Israel yet? I find this report rather disturbing:
      WWII history revisionism intolerable – Putin
      The 'truths' of WW2 are beyond question and are sacred, apparently.

      Also from RT:
      Russia halts plans to supply S-300 missile system to Syria - reports
      deliveries on the Syrian contract are expected to be made between 2012 and 2013. But ‘Vedomosti’ claims two separate sources, who chose to remain anonymous, have said deliveries have been put on the back-burner “after a direct order from above.”
      The article goes on to question whether this is due to policy or because Syria is broke.

      I keep hoping that Putin is the brave and noble hero who is going to save the world from the Zionist NWO (Pax Judaica according to Imram Hussein) but I keep having doubts.

    3. freethinker,

      The link to Putin on WWII revisionism isn't working. I'd be interested to look at it because I've been doing a lot of revisionism on WWII recently.

      Also, saw that Putin was leaving Israel as the Turkey/British attack started, if this turns out to be true.

      This gives Putin cover. It's similar to the cover to Turkey's leaders got when Israel attacked the Turkish ship.

      It's another subtle trick, like the rhetorical devices the MSM use to delegitimize Syria that Brian mentions above. Putin is sympathetic because like Syria it seems like he got punked (but this is not true, imho).

    4. So Putin goes to Russia and bitch slaps Iran, basically, by participating with Israel in hectoring the world and using the Jewish Holocaust as a shield to protect it from its own war crimes?

      Fuck Putin. I knew he was a fink.

      How come Putin didn't talk about the Persian Holocaust that probably killed more people than were killed in the Jewish Holocaust? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWc8-P29wIc&feature=youtu.be [odd that when I go to search for this interview again it is really hard to find]

      Also, see this book I just came across the other day that discusses British spies in Palestine during WWI http://www.amazon.com/Aaronsohns-Maps-Untold-Created-Middle/dp/B003A02SZW/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1340812369&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=aaronsohn (and notice the zionist sympathizers in comments give it bad reviews). Some of this material is still secret after almost 100 years!

      So maybe Putin should be flying to Syria and Iran and putting up a monument commemorating the suffering those in the Middle East have gone through because of almost 100 years of meddling by Britain and the Zionists.

      Also, the Soviets were heavily involved with the U.S. and Britain in spreading propaganda during WWII and they liberated the camps in German occupied lands. So it's a bit hard to take Putin's lecture when he seems to oppose the truth and is actively covering stuff up. Why should any government hide information about these events? And why in the hell are events from almost 100 years ago secret?

    5. Yah, I saw that article.
      I am not to excited about it. Playing to his audience.
      Then he went over to Abbas and said I support a Palestinian state

      Haaretz had an article up they were quoting Putin and spinning it as a warning to Iran

      Yet, it didn't seem like it was.

      Also this meeting was planned long in advance..

      I didn't get the impression he knocked himself out there

    6. And speaking of Vladimir Putin...


      "Russian nuclear bombers test U.S. air defenses in arctic war games during chilly Obama-Putin summit"

      Some very well-timed exercises (with long-range nuclear bomber aircraft heading toward Alaska) sure don't seem like "war games" to me at all. It is like any other organized crime boss - "sending a message".

      And there sure seem to be a lot of "War games" going on here recently in diverse places - as Marie spoke about happening in Cyprus just last weekend, I believe.

      The real question, to me, is whether or not Putin is simply doing this for show, to create the ILLUSION of being opposed to the US/UN/NATO Globalist Ruling Elite objectives in Syria (and the entire middle east) when he is simply the other side of the same coin - playing his role in the classic and very false "left/right" paradigm, which we see played out in the globalist mass media everywhere else on earth?

      Is it all just fabricated "war theater" for the masses?

      Penny, Marie, Walter and others...I'd welcome your thoughts on this.

  9. Another rhetorical device the media use to delegitimize governments like Syria is to claim the leader gave a "rambling" speech, as they did with Assad's recent speech. As if covering a number of different subjects in one speech makes one mentally unstable or something. It would be like a reporter describing the U.S. president after the State of the Union speech, "the president gave a rambling speech today threatening war against Iran and even talking about food programs in elementary schools . . . "

    Also notice the media tried to make it seem like Assad was "finally" admitting Syria is at war. They make it seem like he was late to the party or something when they should have given him credit for not declaring a state of war before. It was a diplomatic act on his part to not declare that Syria was a victim of war when NATO and Turkey were sponsoring terrorists.

    1. "Another rhetorical device the media use to delegitimize governments like Syria is to claim the leader gave a "rambling" speech, as they did with Assad's recent speech. As if covering a number of different subjects in one speech makes one mentally unstable or something."

      It is all about the use of the word "rambling" and the perception it creates in the readers mind.

  10. And now this bit of dis-spin-formation LOL...

    "We may have confused Turkish jet for an Israeli one, Syrian minister claims"


    This part below is correct, though, in contrast to what one "anonymous" commenter challenged me about on my article:

    "Although the Turkish and Israeli air forces both purchased McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom fighter jets from the United States, the IAF decommissioned its last F-4 in 2004."

    So, as I originally said, there are VERY FEW (if any) F-4 aircraft that are being used in operational combat status roles anymore.

    Except, as QF-4 Target Drones, of course. ;)

    1. And, I also meant to add that, further, it is also quite possible that the Turkish aircraft was deliberately "squawking" Israeli IFF (Identify Friend of Foe) codes via its onboard systems, as a direct act of provocation to Syria. If so, then the bait was taken, it appears.

      This would not be the first time this has happened, btw. What??? Deception used in warfare - unthinkable!!

      Knowing a little bit about these systems from my past in aerospace electronics, I recall laughing out loud during the first "Desert Storm", when a CNN reporter was "live on the scene" (safely standing beside a luxury hotel in Riyadh lol) telling us that the US and "coalition forces" had refused to give Israel the IFF codes because they didn't want the IAF to fly into Iraq to retaliate for the Scud missile attacks on Israel...so they "better not try anything or they could get shot down by our Patriot missile systems".

      Now THAT is hilarious!!! Israel most definitely has our IFF codes (as well as those of the UK and other NATO aircraft) and vice versa, trust me. LOL

      And, I thought about including this in my article, but chose not to - does anyone remember when the US Navy AEGIS cruise, USS Vincennes shot down an Iran Air commercial Airbus jet full of civilians, in 1988?

      This was also blamed on an "automatic fire mode" glitch or malfunction...which I think is BS, personally.

      They (US Navy) also claimed at the time that the aircraft was emitting signals (squawking) that indicated it was actually an F-14 Tomcat (an American made fighter jet sold to Iran during the Shah's rule, ironically.)

      But this, too, was apparently BS, as was later confirmed by an investigation of the actual logs and recordings from the US Navy cruiser's systems:

      "The Fogarty report stated, "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence information, corroborate the fact that [Iran Air Flight 655] was on a normal commercial air flight plan profile, in the assigned airway, squawking Mode III 6760, on a continuous ascent in altitude from take-off at Bandar Abbas to shoot-down."

      I've always wondered WHO was on that commercial civilian flight that could've made it worth shooting down "accidentally"??

      Interesting, eh?

    2. Interesting indeed LVB. You saw the stories how a Turkish politician claims the Turkish jet was accompanied by a foreign plane and the Syrian diplomat in Turkey who claimed they thought it was an Israeli plane. So your speculation sounds well placed.

      Speaking of commercial planes going down with interesting people on board you should also look into EgyptianAir990 and SilkAir 185.

      See my discussion here: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/02/links-22712.html#comment-645614