Monday, June 25, 2012

Turkey is upping the ante. New claims against Syria

Syrian forces opened fire on second Turkish plane: deputy PM 

Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Bulent Arinc also said for the first time that Syrian forces had opened ground fire on a CASA search and rescue plane shortly after the downing, but did not say if that plane was hit.

But they kept this news quiet all this time. Until now, that is? Why?

 Turkey said Monday it would push NATO to consider Syria’s downing of a Turkish jet as an attack on the whole military alliance.

The announcement came on the eve of a meeting by NATO’s governing body to discuss the incident.

Of course Turkey announced this uncorroborated news right now.  
Timed to hit the news at just the right time. To coincide with the NATO meeting

Arinc said Turkey retained its right to “retaliate” against what he called a “hostile act,” but he added, “We have no intention of going at war with anyone.”

Turkey will push NATO to consider the armed attack under Article 5 in a key alliance treaty, Arinc said. Article 5 states that an attack against one NATO member shall be considered an attack against all members.

Also Syria and Turkey offer differing accounts

Syria:  At a press conference in Damascus, Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi called Turkey’s version of events “baseless and inaccurate.” He said the plane had been flying fast and low in an act of “aggression on Syrian sovereignty,” according to the official news agency SANA.
Turkey:  Syria not only knew the plane was Turkish, but took a “deliberate” decision to target it, according to Foreign Ministry spokesman Selcuk Unal.

Syria: The anti-aircraft defenses were automatically triggered when the plane approached the Syrian coast.
 He cautioned against NATO involvement in Syria ahead of a meeting Tuesday called by Turkey, saying that Syria was prepared to defend its territory.
 “I want to reassure everyone that the Syrian territories, waters and airspace are sacrosanct for the Syrian army,” he said.

He also issued a warning to Turkey about its role in hosting the Free Syrian Army, whose leadership is living in a refugee camp in southern Turkey. Turkey is also reported to have been helping facilitate an effort to supply arms and funding to rebels inside the country.

“There is a crisis in Syria, but the solution cannot be through aggravating, mobilizing and arming the movement in Syria, nor through hosting entities that do not believe in a political solution but rather believe in militarizing the movement and undermining the stability of the neighboring country, Syria.”

All this news hitting the main stream media today about mass defections?
Turkey and FSA don't even corroborate one anothers stories

Turkish news outlets reported that a fresh wave of defectors from the Syrian army had recently crossed the border, including a general, two colonels, a major and at least 33 soldiers.

But officers with the Free Syrian Army in southern Turkey said the defections weren’t new.
More on the Syrian Air Defenses used:

Makdessi pointed out that the Syrian anti-aircraft defense used a land-based anti-aircraft machinegun with a maximum range of 2.5 kilometers, and that the wreckage found by the Syrian authorities and delivered to the Turkish side with an official record shows holes in the tail-end of the plane which confirm that it was shot down by a ground-based machinegun, not missiles.

"Had the aircraft been over territorial waters, we would have used missiles, not a land-based anti-aircraft machinegun with a maximum range of 2.5 kilometers... all of this confirms the falsity of the allegations that the aircraft was shot down outside Syrian territorial waters," he said.

In response to Davutoglu's statement that the aircraft wasn't alerted, Makedessi said that the Syrian anti-air defenses operate automatically in such cases, and that even if the unidentified aircraft was Syrian, it would have been shot down in the same manner, adding that that machinegun that shot down the plane isn't equipped with radar; rather it had visual confirmation of it approaching it at a distance of 1 to 2 kilometers at an altitude of 100 meters and at a speed of 800 kph.

Makdessi pointed out that Syria suggested to Turkey to form a joint military technical committee to visit the site of the incident in Lattakia to inspect the reality of what happened, but the Turkish side didn't respond up to the moment, adding that rescue operations are ongoing with coordination between the two sides


  1. Upping the war ante by USrael/NATO. Let's take this to be a BOLD FACED lie by the Turkish mouthpiece.
    Putin and Assad will deny it outright underlining the immediate help offered to Turkey to assist in locating the pilots (who don't exist if it was a drone).
    If USrael/NATO decides tomorrow to attack Syria based on this Tonken hoax, Russia will immediately move all manner of weapons and military personel into Syria to assist in the fight against USrael/NATO forces IN DEFENSE.
    Guess who will win that territorial battle?
    Guess which country Russia knows is lurking in the background of this whole Syria-Iran aggression?
    Guess who is going to be collateral dammage if USrael/NATO attacks Syria and/or Iran?

    1. I saw some news of Putin's visit to Israel yesterday.
      He used some interesting language which Haaretz originally reported then removed it from their article
      And I could find nowhere else.

  2. Very good points, Mouser. :)

  3. Truly disgusting BBC Video here, how to kill the Syrian army with IEDs. June 25. Perhaps the publicly funded broadcaster can embed with the Taliban and do the same in Afghanistan.

    1. The BBC is over the top, really.
      Much like the rest of the msm.
      And the spin!!
      Always the spin

  4. Arabi Souri: in the above picture they wrote in yellow: "the picture was leaked from one of their 'Takfiri' gangs showing one of the terrorists who stole the belongings of the Syriac Archbishopric and they're using the funeral car to carry out terrorist attacks
    a grinning villain!
    these are the guys supported by the western 'democracies' the MSM the R2P Amnesty etc

  5. Upping the anti, ctd...
    Syria general deserts senior command in Damascus
    ...who has promised to disclose his identity in the coming days - as in the fake pilot defection, no doubt.
    When they started firing missiles from helicopters, a lot of army officers decided that they couldn't take part. Oh yeah.

    1. "The officer, who has promised to disclose his identity in the coming days......"

      When they started firing missiles from helicopters, I got a conscience, before that I was ok with killing via guns and tanks.


      who takes this shit seriously?

    2. More shit from Rasmussen: Nato 'stands by' Turkey after Syria shooting - BBC video. ...disregard for international norms, peace..and human life.[!!!!!] Our thoughts at this difficult are with missing Turkish [drone] aircrew,their families and their loved ones. Sick.

    3. Notice the father of the pilot is calling for peace.

      If you were going to use a drone and fake a pilot death I would totally have the father say this! It's so much more effective than the opposite, if you think about it. Very clever.

      But I suppose there is a chance it was a manned plane. Would Syria have been able to tell if it was manned when they recovered the plane I wonder? Or did they only recover parts? Do we have pictures yet showing the bullet holes? Could they see if there was an ejection?

    4. Yes, Walt. peace call not very convincing to me.

      And here is the other pilot's father with framed photo: Kayıp pilotun babası umutlu!
      "His older brother Fatih serves in the same place.."

    5. I am not sure about the spin on the pilots from Turkey, but, something had to hit the media shortly after this incident- to reinforce the narrative

      Was somehow thinking it was going to be a more......
      played up kind of coverage

      Heros, sacrifice, blah, blah, blah

      This is more low key, so it could be a ruse
      Or it could just be the difference in society norms
      I am not sure?