Saturday, July 28, 2012

Israel's attack on Iran "Preparing for a war by surprise"

A rather interesting article-
Worth reading entirely.
Israel will need to find a way to quietly place the IDF on high alert before an attack on Iran.

On Saturday December 27, 2008, Col. Ofer Levy, then deputy commander of the Givati Brigade, was out for lunch when he received a phone call informing him that Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip had begun.
Brig.-Gen. Herzi Halevy, the commander during the operation of the Paratroopers Brigade, was at home with his family when he received a similar call about the extensive air strikes the Israel Air Force had just carried out against Hamas targets scattered throughout Gaza.

Why weren’t they at their bases preparing for the operation that would see them a week later inside Gaza in the largest ground invasion since Israel’s withdrawal in 2005? The answer is simple; They didn’t know that the operation would be beginning that Saturday.

The reason for the high level of secrecy ahead of the operation was obvious: the IDF wanted to draw Hamas out from its underground hideouts to be able to hit as many operatives and command posts as possible in the opening series of air strikes, a mission referred to as “Birds of Prey.”
This meant keeping the operation a secret even from the brigade commanders who would be leading troops into Gaza just a few days later.
That's the background narrative. How does that relate to the present?

"When considering possible Israeli military action against Iran, two challenges frequently overlooked are how to launch such a mission without the entire world finding out beforehand.......
  and how to ensure that the IDF is prepared for the war that will ensue without letting out that the war is coming.

In the Iranian case this applies mostly to the Northern Command, which would be expected to wage war against Hezbollah in Lebanon if the guerrilla group decides to attack Israel following a strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities, as Israel expects it will. The forces would need to be on alert and at a high level of readiness to be able to move into Lebanon and begin working to reduce the rocket fire into the Israeli home front.
But how can they do that if they do not know that a strike against Iran is taking place, let alone a war they will be called to fight in?

When comparing a possible strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities to the bombing of Syria’s reactor in 2007, there are some similarities but also major differences. The main difference is that very few people knew about the existence of Syria’s reactor – including top Syrian officials – let alone about Israeli plans to bomb it. This meant that when Israel finally carried out the bombing it had both strategic and tactical surprise.
With Iran, this would not be the case. Israeli political and military leaders say every few weeks that the IDF has a credible and viable military option that could be used to destroy and set back Iran’s nuclear program. Just this Wednesday, Defense Minister Ehud Barak – in some of the strongest remarks he has ever made on the issue – said that Israel was better off bombing Iran than living with an Iranian bomb.
This means that all that is left for Israel is tactical surprise regarding if, how and when it will carry out such a strike.
When it came to Syria’s reactor, the IDF not only needed to prepare for the strike itself but also needed to invent an excuse why war with Syria was possible. (interesting? The IDF needed to invent an excuse to strike Syria, hence a non-existent reactor narrative)
By way of deception?

Very few IDF officers knew what was happening, which made the invention all the more genuine.
That is how the IDF discovered the English word “miscalculation,” which senior officers repeated often throughout the spring and summer of 2007.
They were referring to a misunderstanding that could occur between Israeli and Syrian military commanders stationed along the border that could then evolve into an allout war.
President Bashar Assad, the IDF explained, was questioning the IDF’s strength and capabilities following its poor showing during the Second Lebanon War the previous summer.
Due to the potential for conflict, these officers explained, the IDF needed to ramp up training and beef up its troops on the Golan Heights.
The problem was that in Israel, people had difficulty believing that the Syrians would actually attack Israel due to the obvious advantage the IDF had over the Syrian military.
The IDF explained that the Syrians had learned the lessons of the Second Lebanon War the year before and that even though they were lacking the military capability to defeat the IDF and capture Israeli territory, they had developed a new strategy based on some of Hezbollah’s tactics used successfully against the IDF.

Creating a phony narrative via a compliant media

The IDF made sure to pump the Israeli media full of stories about Syria’s new Hezbollah-style antitank units, which even rode on motorbikes like their Lebanese counterparts. Reporters were then told about Syria’s investment in constructing underground defense and tunnel systems like Hezbollah’s infamous nature reserves to replace the famous Syrian pitas – small, pitashaped defensive positions they had constructed atop little hills along the border in previous decades.
The stories did the job and the IDF began to prepare seriously for a potential war with Syria. By the time Israel bombed Syria’s al-Kibar nuclear reactor on September 6, the country was completely poised for war.

How familiar does that all sound?


Spin for an attack on Iran

For Israel, the question now is how to reenact the success of 2007. Most of the work on this is being led by Military Intelligence’s Information Security Department.
One way may be to use the current volatile situation in Syria – and specifically fears over the possible proliferation of its chemical weapons – as the pretext for why the IDF needs to be on alert at all times along the northern front. Then, when the military is prepared, Israel will attack Iran.
The other option is to simply place the military on high alert – even for a period of several months – and to explain that it is being done due to the possibility that Israel will attack Iran.
The advantage in this case is that by placing the military on high alert, Israel will get the world’s attention and possibly create pressure leading to the imposition of new sanctions. Putting the military on high alert might also get the Iranians scared to the point that they will finally believe Israel is serious about using military action and suspend their enrichment of uranium.
The problem with this option is that keeping a military on a protracted high state of alert comes at a price. It is expensive, soldiers will complain that they are not allowed furloughs and it will affect the military’s overall training program, which will need to be suspended.
No matter which option Israel chooses, the most difficult part appears to still lie ahead: a decision on whether or not it should attack Iran. In recent weeks, the political establishment has been rampant with rumors about how Barak is trying to persuade Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu about the need for an attack and vice versa. In the army, senior officers walk around with gloomy faces, as if war is inevitable.
Barak’s comments Wednesday night at the graduation ceremony for the IDF’s National Defense College about the need for an attack against Iran are a clear break from the quiet that had overtaken the government in recent months with regard to Iran. Speaking at the same ceremony by video, Netanyahu also spoke about how the best defense when facing a missile threat, like Israel does, is the ability to attack.
The political zigzag this week involving Netanyahu’s attempt to split Shaul Mofaz’s Kadima Party as well as Tzachi Hanegbi’s return to Likud and the government add to the confusion. On the one hand, if Israel was preparing an attack against Iran in the near future, how could Mofaz leave the government at such a critical time? On the other hand, why did he hint that Netanyahu’s decision to take Hanegbi into the government was part of a scheme to create a majority in a cabinet vote on a strike? (as mentioned in the previous post!)
 Flashback: " Netanyahu managed to initially win over only four Kadima Party lawmakers, leaving him with a relatively fragile majority at first, from my reading presently,  it looks as if that has gotten up to seven Kadima Party lawmakers on board." As explained Netanyahu has his majority.

Barak, in his remarks, went even further, admitting that Israel and the United States view the threat differently and according to different timetables. Israel, he hinted, is limited in its capabilities and therefore cannot wait as long as the Americans, who could still attack and destroy Iran’s facilities even once they have been fortified and moved deeper underground.
At the end of the day, though, Barak stressed, Israel will decide what to do based on its own national interests. For the time being, this sense of urgency is mostly on the verbal level. Once it starts to take a physical form, it will probably be the right time to begin cleaning out the bomb shelters.

44 comments:

  1. Just wondering, Penny, why the German media is suddenly pointing the finger at massacres being perpetrated by Al-CIAda groups in Syria?
    http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NG24Ak02.html [John Rosenthal, Asia Times July 24] yet simultaneously"the German foreign office is working with representatives of the Syrian opposition to develop "concrete plans" for a "political transition" in Syria following the fall of Assad" What's the sub-plot there I wonder?

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    1. Hey Felix

      off the top of my head
      Could the presence of "alquaeda" really Alciaduh/mossad
      be a justification for intervention

      Ala "war on terror"?

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    2. Could be. We're backing the death squads and they we have to intervene to protect life in a phoney "civil war".

      Good piece here by Tarpley (where I got the revitalised death squads line from..) Syria defeats NATO’s swarming terrorists [Fri July 27 2012]

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  2. Scroll down tto ashkenazi says, thids was last week at israels presidents conference..kissinger was there as wll as dennis ross... http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/world-leaders-movers-and-shakers-meet-in-jerusalem-for-presidential-conference-1.439743

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    1. If Kissinger was there then you know it means war!

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    2. Kissinger is so creepy...
      Gives me the heebyjeebies

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  3. News here in Cyprus, huge anti-terrorist operations going on throughout the island as they have 'names' of parties that are here to carry out some kind of attacks on 1,500 Israeli tourists which have arrived on cruise ships. Tipped off by Interpol and the usual 'channels'. They are still looking for the terrorists. Police and anti-terror squad all over the place!

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    1. Marie:
      Could this have anything to do with the trouble in Cypruss

      "Now Cyprus’ communist president, Demetris Christofias, is trying to play the EU off against Russia in the hope of securing better terms for a bailout from the EU. Russia has already lent Cyprus €2.5 billion but Christofias has asked Russia for an additional five billion. Russian warships have for the first time docked at Limassol port en route to Syria, and in January a Russian ship with a cargo of ammunition bound for Syria also put in at Limassol but was allowed to proceed.

      As the Russian paper Nezavisimaya Gazeta commented in a headline: “Moscow buys the economy of Cyprus”. The question is whether it has also bought the government. At the same time, the alliance between Cyprus and Israel to exploit natural gas reserves in the eastern Mediterranean constitutes a potential area of conflict between these two countries and Turkey.


      http://famagusta-gazette.com/comment-iran-turkey-cyprus-and-the-balance-of-power-in-the-middle-east-p16177-69.htm

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    2. Hi Penny, Cyprus problems are legion! But I can sum it all up I think. The island has huge strategic significance, not to mention the hydrocarbon issue too. There are plenty around who 'want what we got', and this is why we are being destabalized - continually by outside influences for years - the population is dumbed-down here.

      The Famagusta Gazette is pro-Turkey but it does print stories which the South won't touch which is interesting.

      On a side note - all the 'fraking' that is going on is causing a lot more earthquakes and this is a major zone so we'll probably have some huge quake which will destroy us before the Turks do, or any WW3 breaks out here anyway so too bad for all the military bases and the listening posts and the HAARP station and so on....

      Can you tell I am upset today?

      LOL
      Marie

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  4. Syria with Iran are going to defeat the FSA, in the process they will give a warning to Israel, Turkey FUKUSA that do not mess with us. This is what Allepo is all about, lose and Syria and Iran will be attacked, win and they will have captured lots of agents and have a better bargaining power. However based on the Mayan 9 wave I will say the attack will not happen. The attack should have taken place in June culminating in attack on Venezuela in Sept-Oct. However I predict a very turbulent hurricane season in the USA which will devastate many regions. America just cannot cope with this. No I am not a crank :-)

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    1. Thanks unknown. I don't think your a crank
      It looks as if Aleppo is crucial to advancing the war agenda
      Let's hope your prognosticating is correct?

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  5. Clothcap is looking for input Leave something relevant if possible. It is think tank time :)

    Clothcap July 28, 2012 6:17 AM

    Penny, you have some knowledgeable and intelligent commenters, I'd like to ask both your and their opinions on this from comments at my place -
    mt, remember I said to you there is the possibility the bilderberserkers could dump Israel in favour of the MosBro hoods?
    Inciting violence shi'ite v. sunni in Pak.
    Sunni AQ causing deaths daily in Iraq.
    CIA asset Jibril in Libya setting up a sunni islamic coalition.
    Possibility of Saudi getting nukes.
    etc.
    Your ideas my friend?

    mercurytraveller
    C.C.
    The whole plot was definitely control of the M.E. and its resources/money.
    This has now seriously deteriorated because of the many factions involved.
    Originally they didn't think about the Sunni/Shia problem but when they invited the Gulf states to finance and support the Libyan fake "rebellion", they didn't know the Salafists were chomping at the bit to liquidate M.G.'s moderate brand of Islam which was a very big thorn in their asses.
    They also thought the Egyptian military could handle the "moderate" Muslim Brotherhood. This will not last very long and we already see the terrorist acts against the pipelines.
    The Pakistani Sunni/Shia problem was also created by one of the "friends" of the US, Zia.
    Since Colonel Ralph Peters started writing about the new map, representing reality on the ground in the oil rich countries, the Pentagon and Oil companies started plotting against that reality.
    Now we have following contradictions:
    The Gulf countries support extremist Sunni Islam and by doing so they risk destabilizing the whole M.E. and N.A. This will have an added element that those extremist new leaders will go after Israël.

    Those destabilized Gulf countries will be easy pickings for the Shia factions in their countries, much bigger than advertised.
    This aggravates the situation and will oblige the West to interfere everywhere in the Gulf.
    Iraq will come out as Shia champion with Iran, one more nightmare for the West.
    Iran plus Iraq can create a massive problem for the West.
    Russia and China will support Iran and Iraq and will help control the oil prices which have to shoot to the sky. I guess China will have preferential treatment from Iran and Iraq, they already have a huge discount from Iran.
    Egypt will turn extreme islamist and will create a serious problem for Israël.
    N.A. will turn extreme Islamist and will create a new terrorist Islamic block.
    Syria looks like an unending battle because if the West and the Gulf countries stop their lunacy the Shia world will feel vindicated and will become more agressive, which they never were before.

    All in all the Shia populations are better educated and more civilized than the Sunni populations. They nearly always are the elite of the Islamic countries in which they live.
    If they turn agressive and terrorist the problem will be magnified.

    My Conclusion:
    - The US and Europe have no clue what they are doing
    - Bilderbeserkers have opened Pandora's box but cannot control it anymore.
    - Oil prices to the sky and ruining more Western economies
    - Israël drowning in beards and facing also a Shia front
    - Total unexpected chaos from Morocco to the Indian/Pakistani border, feeding ground for terrorism included and magnified.
    - Major war and nuclear confrontation expected in the M.E. and N.A.
    - Turkey torn apart between Kurds, Alaouites and Sunni extremists.
    I hope the Turkish military eliminate their extremists and calm the area, if not Turkey will be drawn into the chaos and they lose Kurdistan.
    - Result for the West: total bankruptcy and bloodbath amongst the banksters, real blood, not symbolic.
    - Euro and Europe demolished and cancelled.

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    1. mercurytravellerJuly 29, 2012 at 3:08 AM

      Penny,

      Thank you for your comments.

      The Shia situation in Saudi Arabia dates from the origins of Islam, remnants of the Persian Empire against Arab nomads.
      The Shia are the majority on the Saudi coast of the Persian Gulf, notwithstanding forced deportatations and immigration of Sunni's.
      Further those Shia are very well educated and patient, time works for them.
      Here are a few examples:

      http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/07/27/253034/saudi-troops-fire-on-qatif-protesters/

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtiTWmnPMCQ

      http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/07/29/253276/riyadh-mecca-see-fresh-protest-rallies/

      The Saudi Shia are not after secession, their ultimate goal are islam's holy cities.
      The Shia problem is compounded with the presence of 8 million Yemeni nationals who claim to be the original "Saudi".
      Bin Ladin is such an example, a Yemeni with very strong Yemeni tribal connections and a prime position in Saudi Arabia.
      Pakistan: The whole upper class is majority Shia, Assif Zardari and the Bhutto family are Shia, they represent minimum 25 % of the population. The whole cultural world is Shia dominated. The whole movie and music industry is Shia dominated.
      Afghanistan, same picture, intelligentia and cultural life Shia dominated. About 30 % of the population is Shia? The Pashtu are Sunni.
      Iran is clearly Shia
      Iraq is 70 % Shia.
      Kuwait is minimum 40 % Shia
      Bahrain majority Shia
      UAE is Sunni, except for the expats xhich are majority Shia, Hindu and Christian.
      Oman, about 50 % Shia.
      Saudi Arabia about 25 % Shia but dominant on the East Coast.
      Businesswise the Shia dominate the Gulf Coast entirely.
      Iran supplies itself completely with small cargo ships and wooden Dhows from Dubai, Bahrain and Kuwait. Dubai lives from Iran and the Irani businesspeople share the economy with the Indians.
      Source: myself after living 25 years in that part of the world.

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  6. Tozz? If possible, what is the latest?
    I left you a response in the previous post with a link to a blogger who had some relevant news re:
    chemical weapons from Libya

    If you are ok? And safe that is?
    For me and other readers here-- we watch the news with some trepidation

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    1. An important point here Penny:
      Last night Al-Arabiya tv CONFIRMED that the regime will use the chemical weapons Specifically in Aleppo, also they've CONFIRMED that there'll be a massacre in Aleppo TODAY or TOMORROW!!
      What's more.??
      The main area here at this moment is Salahdin, there's NO civilians in it (Most of them have migrated to other areas), so it's clearly who will be the victims in the new massacre if it happened. The drama will start again.
      The violent clashes have started (the zero hour as they've name it) at 3 am pursuant to our local time (UTC+2). Oh My GOD.
      There's a contradiction in all of the news from yesterday until now, so I'm not sure 100% of the credibility of the news.
      I'll read the article in the link which you left in the comment, and I'll be back as soon as I can.
      Many thanks for you Penny, and for all the members.

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    2. An important point here Penny:
      Last night Al-Arabiya tv (Anti-regime channel as you know) CONFIRMED that the regime will use the chemical weapons SPECIFICALLY in Aleppo, also they've CONFIRMED that there'll be a massacre in Aleppo TODAY or TOMORROW!!
      What's more.??
      The main area here at this moment is Salahdin, there's NO civilians in it (Most of them have migrated to other areas), so it's clearly who will be the victims in the new massacre if it happened. The drama will start again.
      The violent clashes have started (the zero hour as they've name it) at 3 am pursuant to our local time (UTC+2). Oh My GOD.
      There's a contradiction in all of the news from yesterday until now, so I'm not sure 100% of the credibility of the news.
      I'll read the article in the link which you left me in the comment, and I'll be back as soon as I can.
      Many thanks for you Penny, and for all the members.

      * I wrote the comment for two times, but I can't view it, so forgive me if it was repeated twice.

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    3. I don't know why I was blocked from Gmail and from your blog until I've verified my account by mobile. This is another account, So please forgive me and don't be angry because I wrote the comment for three times and I don't know if you have received it or no.
      An important point here Penny:
      Yesterday Al-Arabiya tv (which is an anti-regime channel as you know) CONFIRMED that the regime will use the Chemical weapons SPECIFICALLY in Aleppo, also CONFIRMED that there will be a massacre TODAY or TOMORROW!!!
      What's can you say about that.??
      The main area at this moment is Saladin, most of its population migrated to other areas. There's great number of the rebels in it now, and the violent clashes started from 5 hours ago.
      So it's clearly who will be the victims of the new "massacre" as they name it. The drama will start again.
      The news from yesterday until now are contradictory. I'm not sure 100% of its truthfulness.
      I'll read the article in the link which you left in the past comment, and I'll be back as soon as I can.
      Many Thanks for you and for all of your members.

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    4. Tozz- I found all these comments in the spam folder. I apologize wholeheartedly for not getting to this sooner.
      Google just does this kind of stuff, it has no rhyme or reason it just does it.
      As for the request for mobile phone number? I had that yesterday also? I just continue on, at the bottom there is a rejection button I guess?
      Anyway, sorry Tozz. Sincerely. Though it is out of my hands completely, I will check my spam folder as quickly as I can.

      Don't you worry about the number of times you wrote this
      It is not important, what is important is that you were able to get back here safely and let us know what is going on, for that we thank you greatly!!!

      "Last night Al-Arabiya tv CONFIRMED that the regime will use the chemical weapons Specifically in Aleppo, also they've CONFIRMED that there'll be a massacre in Aleppo TODAY or TOMORROW!!
      What's more.??
      The main area here at this moment is Salahdin, there's NO civilians in it (Most of them have migrated to other areas), so it's clearly who will be the victims in the new massacre if it happened. The drama will start again.
      The violent clashes have started (the zero hour as they've name it) at 3 am pursuant to our local time (UTC+2). Oh My GOD.


      I see the news today is hyping massacre
      http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=177320

      "The US has "grave concerns" on Mr Assad’s actions, state department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said in Washington. The US is alarmed that "we will see a massacre in Aleppo, and that’s what the regime appears to be lining up for". "

      Not coincidentally France is attempting another go at the UN, this should be huge warning to everyone
      It has been noted everytime one of the NATO nations goes to the UN we get a regularly scheduled massacre or defection.

      Tozz,are you and your loved ones safe? Have you made any kind of plans to leave or protect yourselves?

      I sure hope so. I really do.
      Myself and the other readers here, I am sure, are hoping for your safety. First and foremost.

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    5. Tozz: I Have to head out, but when I get back I will be checking in to my spam/published folder and the hit counter for your return....


      I have my fingers crossed

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    6. Big Thanks Penny
      Yes We're trying to protect ourselves as much as we can.
      The name of my area is "Al-Mocambo". Until now it's safe, and
      Here's a photos of some streets of it if you like to see.
      http://www.myspace.com/truth-searcher/photos/albums/mocambo/1644653

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    7. You are most welcome

      I looked at your pictures, of your home area.
      Your neighbourhood. It looks very nice there. It really does. Since I have blogged on Syria I find myself really struck by the many beautiful places in the country and how very ancient it is. Packed with the history of mankind, really.

      "Yes We're trying to protect ourselves as much as we can."
      Glad to know that. Sadly, you may need as much protection as possible.

      I sent the link to a bunch of the other bloggers that I know.(All over the globe) So they could look at the wonderful pictures of your home

      I worry a bit for your safety and the safety of those around you so I won't bump this up to the top unless it was absolutely ok with you.

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    8. Your reports are greatly appreciated Tozz, Well done, and good luck.

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    9. Thank You From My Heart Penny. And Big Thanks For You Alexander

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  7. To Clothcap:

    First the ptb's would sell their mother down the river, so they would sell Israel as well.
    I am more of the mind that Israel and the gullible Israelis are "useful idiots" to the elites, same as everyone else.
    Inciting violence between the shi'ites and sunni is a divide to conquer strategy.
    That is the way I see it. If the ptb's can keep them fighting amongst themselves they will help themselves to everything, not just resources.
    Everything, oil, water land antiquities
    I am actually of the mind they are attempting to steal the history of mankind.

    "He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future."

    IMO: the battle is larger then resources
    larger then control of Russia and China
    though those are both factors

    This is a battle for the survival and continuation of humanity

    Civilization came largely out of the ME, the ptb's are always taking ancient artifacts etc
    What knowledge and history are they stealing?
    That should belong to all of mankind?

    This aspect is never addressed enough, even by myself.


    "They also thought the Egyptian military could handle the "moderate" Muslim Brotherhood."

    I think the Egyptian military can handle the Muslim Brotherhood, no problem. Egypt's military is wholly owned by the US.


    This will not last very long and we already see the terrorist acts against the pipelines.
    The Pakistani Sunni/Shia problem was also created by one of the "friends" of the US, Zia.


    Zia was killed in one of those curious airplane crashes? Right? Wrong?


    Now we have following contradictions:
    The Gulf countries support extremist Sunni Islam and by doing so they risk destabilizing the whole M.E. and N.A. This will have an added element that those extremist new leaders will go after Israël.


    Seeming contradictions. My take one this is that the GCC nations are firmly in bed with Israel. Israel loves playing the threatened victim (its leadership, the people likely believe it)..... The extremists add value to that role

    Those destabilized Gulf countries will be easy pickings for the Shia factions in their countries, much bigger than advertised.
    This aggravates the situation and will oblige the West to interfere everywhere in the Gulf.
    Iraq will come out as Shia champion with Iran, one more nightmare for the West.
    Iran plus Iraq can create a massive problem for the West.


    That is the fly in the ointment

    Russia and China will support Iran and Iraq and will help control the oil prices which have to shoot to the sky. I guess China will have preferential treatment from Iran and Iraq, they already have a huge discount from Iran.

    If they don't they are as good as destabilized and balkanized. As we are already witnessing


    Egypt will turn extreme islamist and will create a serious problem for Israël.

    I don't see that happening. I see Israel attacking Egypt and taking back the Sinai.
    Since the entire Egyptian military is supplied with US weapons the Egyptians have no real way of fighting an Israeli attack

    N.A. will turn extreme Islamist and will create a new terrorist Islamic block.

    Don't know about this?

    Syria looks like an unending battle because if the West and the Gulf countries stop their lunacy the Shia world will feel vindicated and will become more agressive, which they never were before.

    It looks as if Syria will fall into a long battle with much hardship for the Syrians, unless..... the FSA can be kicked out completely and Turkey gets dressed down by someone.



    All in all the Shia populations are better educated and more civilized than the Sunni populations. They nearly always are the elite of the Islamic countries in which they live.
    If they turn agressive and terrorist the problem will be magnified.


    That doesn't appear to be the case with the GCC nations, a bit to speculative IMO, based on the level of knowledge I have

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  8. Response to Clothcap part 2

    And sorry Clothcap, I was quoting you in italics then switched to bold, as me why? I don't know?!

    My Conclusion:
    - The US and Europe have no clue what they are doing
    - Bilderbeserkers have opened Pandora's box but cannot control it anymore.
    - Oil prices to the sky and ruining more Western economies
    - Israël drowning in beards and facing also a Shia front
    - Total unexpected chaos from Morocco to the Indian/Pakistani border, feeding ground for terrorism included and magnified.
    - Major war and nuclear confrontation expected in the M.E. and N.A.
    - Turkey torn apart between Kurds, Alaouites and Sunni extremists.
    I hope the Turkish military eliminate their extremists and calm the area, if not Turkey will be drawn into the chaos and they lose Kurdistan.
    - Result for the West: total bankruptcy and bloodbath amongst the banksters, real blood, not symbolic.
    - Euro and Europe demolished and cancelled.


    Wow, that is a nasty conclusion. I just don't know
    There is a commenter James who had done some interesting work regarding a new Turkish caliphate that you may find interesting and relevant to this discussion

    http://winterpatriot.com/node/557

    You can access all three parts

    There is a limit to controlled opposition and destruction, there will always be wild cards and unexpected outcomes
    Don't know if any of this is helpful or just makes things more complex
    That said, hope it was at the very least enlightening?
    And thanks for thinking of everyone here :)

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    1. Thanks for your thoughts.
      While I wake up and digest not just what you have given on our mid to long term speculations but what others are saying about the current situation, imagine this. Israel in the Sinai peninsula, not for the 1st time. It is easy pickings with the political turmoil in Egypt and simmering social discontent. Another designer uprising c/o CFR-Soros funding would give the army an excuse for failing to repel Israel.
      Golan Heights is secure while the SA is pulled into Aleppo to secure against a Turkish "buffer zone" aka expansionism using the Iraqi Kurd influx as the excuse.
      The ensuing Sinai negotiations, maybe targetting joint management and exploitation would neutralise the Egyptian MB threat and secure the Suez that has increased in importance (Iran's route to the Med, Russia's route to the Persian Gulf) since the MB victory.

      I'll visit again later, or sooner if I'm given any revelations. :)

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    2. mercurytravellerJuly 29, 2012 at 3:30 AM

      Penny,

      I misplaced my first reply on the Shia/Sunni situation under the original text you published, it should have been here, sorry.
      I will come back on other points.

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  9. Slozo:

    Clint Richardson left this just today. If your interested

    Clint RichardsonJuly 28, 2012 6:50 AM

    I might suggest that you read some of my recent research about the Federal Reserve and American history. We've all been fooled...


    http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/the-incontrovertible-conundrum-of-dr-ron-paul/

    http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2012/07/04/why-the-supreme-court-claims-obamacare-is-constitutional/

    http://realitybloger.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/the-fallacy-of-the-dollar-crash/
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    Clint Richardson July 28, 2012 6:53 AM

    10 hours of interview might have let me scratch the surface of the issues you mention, but then that wasn't really the subject.


    these comments and the interview if it is still viable can be found here

    http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2011/10/very-good-interview-clint-richardson.html

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  10. From Syria

    http://www.syriaonline.sy/?f=Details&catid=12&pageid=3109

    Terrorists Suffer Heavy Losses in Aleppo and Lattakia Countryside

    Security authorities on Saturday clashed with an armed terrorist group in a car in al-Furqan neighborhood in the city of Aleppo, killing and arresting its members.

    An official source in the province told SANA reporter that the clashes resulted in killing two of the terrorists and arresting three others, in addition to seizing their weapons and car.

    In the neighborhood of Sleiman al-Halabi in the city, security authorities set an armed terrorist group up, after being informed of its movement, and clashed with its members who were driving a car in the neighborhood.

    The terrorists were killed in the clashes and their car was destroyed, with their weapons seized by the authorities.

    Meanwhile, security authorities chased an armed terrorist group in the neighborhood of al-Ansari al-Sharqi and clashed with its members, inflicting heavy losses upon them.

    The weapons and car of the terrorists were seized by the authorities, in addition to two wireless communication devices and a Thuraya satellite device.

    Terrorists Suffer Heavy Losses in Lattakia Countryside

    In the countryside of Lattakia province, security authorities chased down members of the armed terrorist groups in the town of Salma and the surrounding villages and forests.

    An official source in the province told SANA reporter that the terrorists suffered heavy losses at the hands of the security authorities.

    Authorities Clash with Terrorist Groups in Homs, Confront Attack from inside Lebanese Territories

    In Homs province, the authorities, in cooperation with residents, clashed with two terrorist groups near al-Baladiyeh roundabout in al-Rastan city in Homs killing and wounding dozens of them.

    In the same context, border guards and authorities confronted a terrorist attack by armed terrorist groups from inside the Lebanese territories.

    A source in Homs province said that the terrorists targeted border posts of al-Armouta, Shahira and al-Reidaniyeh in Tal Khalakh countryside with mortars and RPGs as their infiltration attempt into Syria was foiled.

    The clash resulted in heavy losses upon members of the armed terrorist groups.

    Terrorists Killed and Injured in Blast While Setting Explosives in al-Shawader Street in Homs City

    A large explosion took place in al-Shawader street in al-Khalidiye neighborhood in Homs city before Iftar time (before 7:45 PM) on Friday.

    An official source told SANA that the explosion occurred when a terrorist group was planting explosives in the street and its buildings, and that a large number of terrorists were killed or wounded in the blast.

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  11. holy mindfuck man...just skimmed through it, so i didn't get all the facts, but the gist of it is quite disturbing and disheartening...thanks for posting this.

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    1. (in regards to the Clint Richardson/Audit the Fed/Ron Paul stuff)

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  12. Hi Penny
    Ive picked out a few paragraphs from Patrick Seale article in Meddle East Online (link to full article below. It helps to explain some more of the issues inside Syria that fuel the unrest which all the outside players are exploiting for their own ends.
    What is really upsetting is the blatant disregard for the human factor, the people inside being willed into conflict which takes away the most precious gift of all . Life.

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    Once one of the most solid states in the Middle East and a key pivot of the regional power structure, Syria is now facing wholesale destruction. The consequences of the unfolding drama are likely to be disastrous for Syria’s territorial integrity, for the well-being of its population, for regional peace, and for the interests of external powers deeply involved in the crisis.
    Above all, over the past decade Bashar al-Asad and his close advisers failed to grasp the revolutionary potential of two key developments -- Syria’s population explosion and the long-term drought which the country suffered from 2006 to 2010, the worst in several hundred years. The first produced an army of semi-educated young people unable to find jobs; the second resulted in the forced exodus of hundreds of thousands of farmers from their parched fields to slums around the major cities. Herders in the north-east lost 85% of their livestock. It is estimated that by 2011, some two to three million Syrians had been driven into extreme poverty. No doubt climate change was responsible, but government neglect and incompetence contributed to the disaster.
    These two factors -- youth unemployment and rural disaffection -- were the prime motors of the uprising which spread like wildfire, once it was triggered by a brutal incident at Dar‘a in March 2011. The foot-soldiers of the uprising are unemployed urban youth and impoverished peasants.
    From the start of Bashar al-Asad’s presidency, Syria has faced relentless efforts by Israel and its complicit American ally to bring down the so-called ‘resistance axis’ of Tehran-Damascus-Hizballah, which dared challenge the regional dominance of Israel and the United States.
    America, the dominant external power, has made many grievous policy blunders. Over the past several decades it failed to persuade its stubborn Israeli ally to make peace with the Palestinians, leading to peace with the whole Arab world. It embarked on catastrophic wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It failed to reach a ‘grand bargain’ with Iran which would have dispelled the spectre of war in the Gulf and stabilised the volatile region. And it is now quarrelling with Moscow and reviving the Cold War by sabotaging Kofi Annan’s peace plan for Syria.
    There can be no military solution to the Syrian crisis. The only way out of the current nightmare is a ceasefire imposed on both sides, followed by a negotiation and the formation of a national government to oversee a transition. Only thus can Syria avoid wholesale destruction, which could take a generation or two to repair.

    Link to article
    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=53563

    Cheers

    KamNam

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  13. the battle in Allepo and Syria fits in the outcome of the Mayan 9 Wave,this battle will lead towards an ultimate spiritual awakening of the Muslim world, that is why the Shia - Sunni fights. Shia will triumph. The end of the Al Saud the end of the custodian of the 2 mosques will be the ultimate prize for the Shia's. This whole scenario must end on the winter solstice in 2012. My deep sorrows to the people of the Muslim world, this battle had to occur.

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    1. hans, Harry Potter will save the day.

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  14. Message for Mercury Traveller from Clothcap's place

    re: Your comment on BCCI

    "Remember BCCI bank?
    The founder and majority shareholder Agha Hassan Abedi whom I had the privilege to know personally, created the first third world bank of global significance."

    There is a book written on this subject
    I have read it, some time ago...
    Still in my house somewhere, amidst the overflowing books...

    Also heard the author interviewed on two or three occasions

    From BCCI to ISI: The Saga of Entrapment Continues
    Abid Ullah Jan

    A Pakistan born resident of Canada. At least at that time.

    Well written.

    When you mentioned the destruction of BCCI, I though of MG in Libya
    the Gold Dinar, the Sovereign wealth fund and the great water project

    As the BCCI demonstrated, the Arab world was capable and could be empowered without western interference.
    As, again with MC and Libya, the Arab world extending into Africa would have been greatly empowered had MG plans succeeded..

    The West and it's banks & multinational corps always take exception to that

    Not wanting any real competition rather cartel cronyism...

    I should dig that out and refresh my memory..

    Note to everyone else: I will be back

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    1. On that topic an interesting dovetail from al arabiya re floating the GCC currency union which is a defacto breaking of the USD-Petro nexus. If you go back to 2006-7 when the GCC GFX union talk was rolling there were a slew of visits to the region by Gates, Rice, then Paulson later on.

      http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/27/228669.html

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  15. Another brush back from Russia
    Russia said Saturday it would not cooperate with a new round of European Union sanctions against Syria and would not consent to inspections of ships flying the Russian flag.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/russia-refuses-to-comply-with-ship-inspections-over-syria.aspx?pageID=238&nID=26558&NewsCatID=353

    Did you catch the Japan destroyers in Turkey
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/07/26/252940/japan-battleships-in-turkey-for-training/

    So Japan, whose currency sits on the precipice is sending out naval assets into a massive gathering of regional and international assets? This as the PM Noda is in serious trouble on the economy and his arch-rival ozawa was recently cleared of wrong doing (another story in itself as far as timing)

    Sounds little like Israel and the current Kadima defections. Here is an article talking Israeli austerity...

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/israel-eyes-austerity-measures.aspx?pageID=238&nID=26499&NewsCatID=344

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  16. http://www.facebook.com/Syriaonline.sy

    Obama Regime Threatens to Kill President Assad, WWIII Looms
    http://democratic-syria.blogspot.com/2012/07/obama-regime-threatens-to-kill.html
    [...] If Obama regime is after Armageddon, then it should say so, Syria's foreign ministry spokesperson already hinted at Samson option: All in all out destruction in the event of a foreign attack, and killing the president of the country is a foreign attack.

    In today's video, Christopher Greene explains how the United States will brutally assassinate Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad.
    United States to Outright Murder Bashar al-Assad
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsZ2TXzI1o
    ---------
    The Samson Option
    http://www.ltradio.org/articles/?admin=linkto&link=98&&quick=y

    What are Obama's instructions? Will Israel sacrifice Tel Aviv?

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  17. Hi Penny,
    did you hear about that one
    http://www.voltairenet.org/Syria-reportedly-eliminated-Bandar
    I was quite surprized that aangirfan had an article on him this morning, without even mentioning that news item.
    I tried to check to see if someone else published something on that and the silence is deafening.

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  18. gallier, al Arabiya reported Hafez Makhlouf did it on 18th.

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    1. Sorry, I misread. Hafez Makhlouf was attributed with the act. al Arabiya reported he died on 18th, he was only wounded.

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  19. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/iran-s-revolutionary-guard-behind-car-blast-near-israeli-embassy-in-new-delhi-says-india-police-1.454681

    timing?

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  20. Hey, another big assassination rumour is circulating on alternate sites (i.e. not in the western block media).
    http://french.irib.ir/info/moyen-orient/item/202849-assassinat-de-deux-autorit%C3%A9s-turques-et-qataries-%C3%A0-istanbul

    Colonel Abdallah Ben Mohamed Al-e Thani chief of the Qatari air security was alledgedly killed in Istanbul in a restaurant.

    Also the 2nd in charge of the turkish intelligence service was also assassinated last week.
    Western and turkish media are completely silent about these story, but according to the article the turkish intelligence kill was confirmed by the authorities.

    http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/rachid-barbouch/280712/le-cheikh-abdeallah-ben-mohammed-al-thani-aurait-ete-assassine

    there are some comments in english with links.

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    1. thanks gallier!
      I will most definitely be checking those out
      Right now I am doing some digging around on the info left by Tozz

      He has been coming here for a bit now; he is located in Syria.
      I am afraid right near Aleppo, possibly in one of the sort of subdivision/ neighbourhoods??

      It seems he is maybe "to close for comfort". I'm not sure if it is mine or his?
      Anyway, thanks again Gallier

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