Thursday, October 25, 2012

Syria: A Truce, US Stinger for the Mercs, Regime change Lebanon

and more. Always more
For a change the post is interspersed with more serene pictures.
War is tough to cover day after day.
Don't miss the first post, on psychopaths and our society

A change of heart for the NATO nations? Or  a change of tactics?

“United Nations Security Council has called on the Syrian government and rebel groups to accept a four-day truce proposal. “ 
“ In a statement adopted unanimously on October 24, the 15-nation council called on all sides to work toward a “sustainable cessation of all violence.”

A unanimous adoption of acceptance of this four day cease fire? Unheard of previously. When the Syrians and the Russian/Chinese would push for this on other occasions the NATO countries would encourage the rebels to continue fighting. A curious motion, indeed. Is it all for show?

If  this is a legit “change of heart”?  Or perhaps a change of tactics?
 However this news should be characterized....

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Could the lack of cohesion amongst the opposition be the impetus?
Syrian oppositionists must recognize that the lack of decisive international action is not only the result of Russia and China vetoing any meaningful action in the Security Council, or NATO countries’ unwillingness to enter into another war in the region. In fact, the international community is waiting for Syria’s disorganized opposition to transform itself into a coherent, effective force as much as the opposition is waiting for the international community.
The Syrian opposition has so far failed to present itself as a unified actor.

Attempts to enlarge the SNC have been unsuccessful, owing to reservations expressed by some important groups, such as the Democratic Forum, about joining an organization that relies on foreign sponsors.

 Is the so called opposition such a sham, so fully infiltrated and influenced by foreign interests, that it cannot organize or present itself as relevant to Syria the nation and ordinary Syrians?


Speaking of a change of heart or tactics? Has Turkey been swayed by the winds of change?
Turkey is turning to regional powers Iran and Russia, backers of the Damascus regime, to help it deal with Syria's bloody civil war that has spilled across its border with deadly shelling and a flood of refugees, analysts say.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan gave the first signs last week that Ankara may be shifting the way it approaches the 19-month conflict after holding what local media called a “surprise meeting” with Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad in Baku.

Ankara has proposed to Iran establishing a set of trilateral mechanisms involving key regional players to face the Syrian crisis raging at their doorsteps.

“This (trilateral) mechanism might involve Turkey, Egypt and Iran,” Erdogan said. “A second mechanism could involve Turkey, Russia, Iran. A third could be made up of Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.”

“This represents a significant shift in position by Ankara,” Semih Idiz wrote in the English-language Hurriyet Daily News
                              


US pushing for regime change in Lebanon.
Who benefited from the bombing last week?? Not Syria. Not Lebanon.


                    U.S. Backs Call for New Lebanon Government
U-Turn Comes as Officials See Hope for a Transition That Could Weaken Hezbollah and Its Backers in Syria and Iran

—The Obama administration for the first time backed the Lebanese opposition's call for a new government to be formed in Beirut, following Friday's killing of a high-ranking Lebanese intelligence official.

The State Department's announcement Tuesday marked a shift by the U.S. and the West, which initially appeared to support Prime Minister Najib Mikati, who came to power last year with the backing of militant Lebanese political party Hezbollah.
But then, appearances can be deceiving-

Looks as if Syria will accept the proposal for ceasefire

The government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has indicated to Russia that it will accept U.N.-Arab League peace envoy Lakhdar Brahimi's proposal for a Muslim holiday ceasefire in Syria, Moscow's U.N. envoy said on Wednesday.

"We have had indications that they (Syria's government) are accepting the proposal of Mr. Brahimi," Ambassador Vitaly Churkin told reporters after a closed-door meeting of the 15-nation Security Council during which Brahimi briefed council members via video link from Egypt.

Brahimi told council members that a final announcement Of a ceasefire with rebels was expected Thursday. Churkin seemed to confirm remarks Brahimi made earlier on Wednesday in Cairo, when he said the government had indicated its acceptance of the proposed truce.
Why is it that “militants from Gaza” start firing rockets at the same time as the US and Israel are holding joint exercises?



Obviously the US has supplied their mercs with arms!

-Russia claims the “rebels” have US made Stingers

 Russia’s chief military officer says Syrian rebels have acquired portable air defense missiles, including U.S.-made Stinger missiles.
A Syrian rebel told the AP in Turkey that the insurgents obtained dozens of shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, but would not say who provided them.

The US replies with “‘We did not supply them to the rebels”
Of course the US didn’t SUPPLY them. They had the GCC nations and Turkey supply the weapons, after the US shipped them overseas, to the rebels. The the the CIA agents and special ops oversaw the distribution of weapons at the borders of Turkey and Jordan.
 Does anyone take the US claim seriously?

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10 comments:

  1. Regarding the Red Ice Radio link . . . I wish they would have explained the story about Swedish school lunches a bit more it's hard to use it as an analogy without more context and information.

    As someone that believes a state is necessary in the short term (in other words I lean socialist w/ a strong desire for individual rights and maybe eventually anarchism), I have some issues with their 'libertarian/anarchist' arguments.

    Sometimes we need to limit individual freedom for the collective good. There are not many people that would accept a situation where a few kids eats like a King while the other 90% of kids have to eat basic stuff or go without. Even though I value individual freedom so much that I think drugs should be legal and kids should not be required to go to school if they don't want to, it creates a disruptive environment to allow some kids to eat candy for instance, or eat like a King, while the other kids eat basic school lunches. We should make school lunches healthy and good for all kids and it's quite common even in America for school kids to be limited in what they can bring in from home.

    Plus, it is in our nature to cooperate more than it is to compete, imho:

    We are made for co-operation, like feet, like hands, like eyelids, like the rows of the upper and lower teeth. To act against one another then is contrary to Nature, and it is acting against one another to be vexed and turn away.

    —The Meditations


    Here's a good description of the 2009 Nobel winner Elinor Ostrum's arguments about cooperation vs. self interest:

    Secondly, rational choice theory assumes that humans behave as self-centered, short-term maximisers. Such theories – which assume that humans act solely out of self interest – work in competitive situations (such as the stock-market) but do not work in situations in which collective action is called for.

    Ostrom’s work essentially addresses the shortcomings of rational choice theory.


    http://eight2late.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/cooperation-versus-self-interest-the-theory-of-collective-action-and-its-relevance-to-project-management/

    The internet analogy about surfing without virus software is not good either. Our capitalist society is so corrupt that I doubt virus software is going to protect one from predation on the internet. In fact it probably gives one a false sense of security as capitalists and their controlled governments spy on us despite the anti-virus software.

    Getting into the psychopath discussion which is good . . . to me our economic and political system is a lot like a narcissistic family system: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-love/201105/the-narcissistic-family-portrait

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    1. Sorry for posting here . . . didn't see the comment box in the other thread and thought it was a double post comment thingy . . .

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    2. WWM
      don't worry about it
      as long as you listened and enjoyed the interview

      " There are not many people that would accept a situation where a few kids eats like a King while the other 90% of kids have to eat basic stuff or go without."

      My thought on that was, why weren't the other kids being fed as well?
      The standard should be brought up for all.

      I agree it is in our nature more to cooperate then to compete, which is why the elites manipulate us to be competitive

      I hear ya on the virus software, though using Kaspersky has been very good thus far

      One point that was brought up was how much interference and intrusion into our lives we accept when done by government or multinationals
      we would not accept it from other individuals
      I will look at your links and if there is more I can think of I will leave another comment

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  2. Pro war propaganda on Reddit, pictures of Syrian 'rebels' with cats: http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1220qy/a_compilation_of_syrian_rebels_and_their/

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    1. syrian rebels with cats?
      As opposed to stinger missiles?
      Not sure what to make of the truce or the acceptance at the security council of the truce by the western nations
      that has not happened before

      Brian left a news item that the area of Aleppo where Tozz resided was struck by the rebels,
      remember tozz?
      to bad for tozz and all the syrians that NATO had to pull this shit.

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  3. the Fall of Josh Landis

    Landis wrote this on FB:
    https://www.facebook.com/joshua.landis1/posts/10151272531687110?notif_t=feed_comment_reply

    leading to a resident of Allepo responding:
    https://www.facebook.com/keviorkios/posts/10152268765150651

    Kevork Elmassian · 140 subscribers
    19 hours ago ·
    Dear Joshua Landis,

    You were always an academic and expert in the Syrian affairs, but you fall in the same trap that others did by highly depending on second hand sources. What you wrote today on your Facebook page was not only a joke but rather a clear indication of your real face and your real political affiliation.

    You spread a false report that Aleppo has fallen in the hands of the NATO-Rebels allowing your friends to celebrate and spread the lies in most social media websites.

    I'm from Aleppo, and yes the NATO-Rebels controlled some neighborhoods of Aleppo but Aleppo didn't and will never fall as long as the SYRIANS with their different political backgrounds are standing against the NATO-style democracy.

    I promise you to celebrate in my own way on your wall when the Aleppi people kick these terrorists out of their city. The flags of the French Mandate will not return and the era of colonization is over.

    Go and get a life man

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  4. the Fall of Josh Landis

    Landis wrote this on FB:
    https://www.facebook.com/joshua.landis1/posts/10151272531687110?notif_t=feed_comment_reply

    leading to a resident of Allepo responding:
    https://www.facebook.com/keviorkios/posts/10152268765150651

    Kevork Elmassian · 140 subscribers
    19 hours ago ·
    Dear Joshua Landis,

    You were always an academic and expert in the Syrian affairs, but you fall in the same trap that others did by highly depending on second hand sources. What you wrote today on your Facebook page was not only a joke but rather a clear indication of your real face and your real political affiliation.

    You spread a false report that Aleppo has fallen in the hands of the NATO-Rebels allowing your friends to celebrate and spread the lies in most social media websites.

    I'm from Aleppo, and yes the NATO-Rebels controlled some neighborhoods of Aleppo but Aleppo didn't and will never fall as long as the SYRIANS with their different political backgrounds are standing against the NATO-style democracy.

    I promise you to celebrate in my own way on your wall when the Aleppi people kick these terrorists out of their city. The flags of the French Mandate will not return and the era of colonization is over.

    Go and get a life man

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    1. thanks brian

      Way, way back... when the Syrian destabilization started, after I had already identified it, that is

      I put up an interview with Mr Landis
      He seemed to be a typical disinfo agent, a bit of truth mixed in with a lot of insinuation.
      Not unlike all other NATO spin
      Do you recall his being the one that posted the defection letter of what's his name???
      Tlass?
      Giving the main stream liars an opportunity to report on it, while maintaining their distance???
      BTW, not much came of Mr Tlass???
      Wonder why?
      Did he really defect?
      Or did he just move to Europe where his drinking and womanizing would be more acceptable?
      A thought?

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  5. never trust a terrorist:
    http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/killarys-syrian-rebels-car-bomb-eid-al-adha-truce-5-people-are-dead/

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