Friday, October 12, 2012

Turkey: 2 jets to border? Austere Challenge War Games Oct/Nov 2012

 UPDATED BELOW-SCROLL ON DOWN!

It appears, if this witness account is accurate, Turkey may be acting to shore up the positions their NATO backed terrorists have taken up in Syria.
If this report is correct, we know that Syria did not agree to that "buffer zone" as Turkey was claiming earlier this week.



 Globe and Mail: Turkey sends two fighter planes to border after opposition town bombed in Syria

Turkey scrambled two fighter planes to the border with Syria on Friday after a Syrian military helicopter bombed the Syrian border town of Azmarin, a Reuters witness said.


This story appears to be just breaking and this is the first news report of it's kind.
More here: Guardian :Turkey scrambles warplanes to Syrian border

Turkey scrambled two fighter planes to the border with Syria today after a Syrian military helicopter bombed the Syrian border town of Azmarin, a witness told Reuters.


Anti-war demonstrators protest against a possible war with Syria, in Istanbul on Thursday.



Erdogan, your people are talking. How about listening? Perhaps Turkey needs an intervention? Clearly they  are being very undemocratic. Clearly Turkey is failing to heed the wishes of it's people.

UPDATES BEGIN BELOW!

I'm starting to wonder if the lone eye witness account  of Turkey scrambling fighter planes was legitimate?
Or, was it a way to knock the incident of Turkey using the F-18's to force the Moscow to Damascus flight off the top of the news heap? Or was it a means of creating a perception of imminent war?

Speaking of the F-18's and the forced landing move on the part of Turkey..
Some serious excuse making has been taking place
Headline- Analysts see Turkey's frustration at Syria war behind Plane incident

Poor frustrated Turkey. You see Turkey is the victim. Never mind all the arms and mercs they are aiding and abetting to kill Syrians. You see it's frustration that caused them to take this course of action
Baloney!

"The interception of a Syrian passenger plane from Russia, allegedly carrying military gear to Damascus, is a sign of Turkey's mounting frustration at the drawn-out conflict and its inability to hasten regime change in its neighbour, according to analysts.

Poor frustrated Turkey, trying so dam hard to do NATO's bidding and destroy Syria.

This next part is priceless

""There's nothing magical about the timing. It's a coincidence resulting from the build-up of frustration in Ankara," said Fadi Hakura, a Turkey analyst at the Chatham House think-tank in London. "Turkey wants to hasten the demise of the Assad regime in Damascus, but really its hands are tied."

You see just a coincidence? After the NATO mercs tossed mortar across the border. Russia snubbed Turkey and Maliki issues a warning with Putin at his side, to keep NATO out of Syria. Just a coincidence...


Mehmet Yegin, an analyst with the Ankara-based International Strategic Research Organization, said that it was not yet clear whether the decision to force down the Moscow to Damascus plane was part of a larger drive to change the dynamic of the war.

"If it is acting with its allies, it's a clear message to Russia to get out of the picture and stop arming Syria," he added. "It is such a bold move, that one wonders if Turkey acted alone."
Does anyone think Turkey would have acted alone on this?
 U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland declined Thursday to comment on Turkish media reports that the intelligence on the plane's contents had come from the United States. But she told reporters that Washington backed Turkey's decision to intercept the plane.

 I am quite certain the US did indeed "back" Turkey's decision  or told them what to do?


No fly zone anyone?


You could speculate about this being part of a build-up to imposing a no-fly zone," said Hugh Pope, who leads the Turkey program for the International Crisis Group.
Notice the prevalence of  information from warmongering think tank types throughout that article?

Anonymous 9:41 am left this link  Parliament approves cross-border motions into northern Iraq
Thanks anonymous!!
"“This is not a motion for war, this motion has been adopted to provide peace" 
Same language used when the Turkish Parliament approved cross border movement into Syria

Also this: Qatar calls for the No Fly Zone

The called for no fly zone in Syria's north combined with the potential to move into Iraq could clear the way for an Israeli strike on Iran with the full support of NATO.





In light of the possibility of a dual purpose buffer zone being created.  A zone enabling NATO to destroy Syria and to allow safe passage for an Israeli strike. I am reposting the image above and relinking to this post: Worrisome scenarios? You got'em. Israel, Syria, Iran & Canada

There you can access an interesting pdf, if you missed it the first time round, check it out the second time!
 Recall this from the previous post?


• We conclude that a military strike by Israel against Iranian Nuclear Facilities is possible and the optimum route would be along the Syrian-Turkish border then over a small portion of Iraq then into Iran, and back the same route. However, the number of aircraft required, refueling along the way and getting to the targets without being detected or intercepted would be complex and high risk and would lack any assurances that the overall mission will have a high success rate.  

Does this area, the optimum route for Israel to attack Iran, along the Syrian -Turkish border just so happen to, coincidentally, (and remember I am not a coincidence theorist) be the same area that NATO is working on making a "no fly/humanitarian zone. Just a thought.
   
Food for thought in this comment-



The Jordan and Iraq deployments are straight up along the strike route corridor for IDF. The US exercises in Israel solves the problem of worrying about pulling in the US? I would say that if ever the pieces were in place it is now.

"On October 14, large numbers of American soldiers are expected to begin arriving in Israel, where they will set up aerial defense positions on Israeli territory and on US Navy vessels off the Israeli coastline. The three-week drill will simulate various missile defense scenarios, and is expected to end with a live-fire interception of a decoy incoming Patriot missile. One of the objectives of the drill is to facilitate the rapid deployment of US missile defense systems to Israel and test their ability to operate in conjunction with Israeli defense systems during a conflict.”"

US redeploys spec ops to iraq last week.
US deploys spec op forces to Jordan (as the Jordan King hangs by a chad)
Turkey gets clearance to raid into Syria and Iraq form Parliament
US takes MEK off the terror list
US leans on Maliki to stop iran flights over Iraq territory
Most logical strike route to Iran through Jordan and Iraq

US and Israel kick off massive exercises next week.
Multiple carriers in the gulf.
Turkey denies today US Special forces on the border
Israel uses drone shoot down to deploy to Lebanon border (after launching a surprise drill a week before the drone)
Israel has already deployed to the southern border (Egypt)
Israel forced clamp down on Gaza tunnels and continues airstrikes

 US, Israeli military drill set for October-November 

Or Ynet: US, Israeli military drill set for October-November
After high-level talks in Israel this week, US Army General Dempsey says largest exercise between two allies to take place in the fall

 We rescheduled it for October-November time frame," Dempsey said. "I really don't know what the final decision was, but it is our expectation that that's when the event will occur."
 The air-defense drill, named "Austere Challenge 12,"

Some surprising honesty from the CBC: War-gaming Iran, the drums are beating 

Not if, but when?

13 comments:

  1. Now that Erdogen has gutted the army, when does the military in exile make their first announcement from Paris? Is that after the presumed Syria win and the Kurds get the Green card? Erdogen is trapped in a pincer. You get the feeling Erdogen feels a compulsion to keep moving for fear of actually stopping. Zugzwang

    Parliament "approves" strikes into Iraq
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/parliament-approves-cross-border-motions-into-northern-iraq.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32278&NewsCatID=338

    Qatar calls for the No Fly Zone
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4291326,00.html

    And perhaps the most interesting article of the day: Netanyau was near a deal on the Golan directly before the Syria hostilities broke out. Would this not comport with the Ostrovsky idea of breakaway elements inside the security services?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4291337,00.html

    http://www.amazon.com/By-Way-Deception-Making-officer/dp/0971759502

    Dont know what to make of the Hez claim of drone ownership?
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/hezbollah-chief-claims-responsibility-for-drone-that-entered-israeli-airspace-1.469509

    Hez rolled up the CIA cell last year and has been unlocking Israeli listening devices.
    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12508552-israeli-aircraft-bombarded-spying-device-in-southern-lebanon

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hezbollah-damages-cia-spy-network-in-lebanon/2011/11/21/gIQA5uCEjN_story.html

    It was reported you might recall that Hez unlocked this cell via data mining.

    "Current and former U.S. officials said the identities of as many as a half-dozen informants appear to have been betrayed by cellphone records and calling patterns, underscoring the sophistication of Hezbollah’s counterintelligence efforts as well as the hazards of espionage in an age when even CIA assets can be tripped up by a data trail."

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    1. Oh and as far as the Saudi cyber attacks on Aramco, Arabiya out this morning warning about Israeli cyber attacks? The Arabyia ran a series of stories about KSA shooting down Israeli overflights to Iran Aug-9 which was promptly followed by the reports (Aug-29, but the attack occurred Mid-August allegedly) of the Saudi Aramco cyber attack. You might recall that forensics disclosed the roots of the virus looked similar to those used to attack Iran (Stuxnet).

      Curiously? Panetta used the Aramco hit as the the example for the ramp upped cyber offensive. Note the US banks attacks have been blamed on middle eastern entities.

      http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/12/243227.html
      http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/09/231336.html
      http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/connecting-the-dots-after-cyberattack-on-saudi-aramco/
      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/26/net-us-saudi-aramco-hacking-idUSBRE87P0B020120826


      Here is what Symantec said:
      "Security researchers at Symantec, the computer security firm, said that hours after the attack, they received a sample of the virus they believe was responsible. The virus, named Shamoon after a word in its code, was designed to overwrite critical files with an image of a burning American flag. The researchers discovered instructions in Shamoon’s code, what is known as a “kill timer,” to attack at 4:08 a.m. on Aug. 15 — the same time hackers said they had destroyed Saudi Aramco’s computers."
      http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/27/connecting-the-dots-after-cyberattack-on-saudi-aramco/

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      To bring you up to speed on what the Shamoon Virus is, in a nut-shell, it’s essentially a computer virus that spreads through networked computers with unpatched Windows operating systems and ultimately wipes out files by overwriting them. Amusingly, it sometimes leaves behind an image of a burning American flag (Insert cheesy soap opera music here!).

      Similarities have been highlighted by Kaspersky Lab and Seculert between Shamoon and the Flame malware (Source: TheRegister.com). Remember the Flame virus? It was first discovered on Iranian Oil Ministry computers in the first part of 2012. The sole purpose of the Flame virus is espionage whereas the Shamoon virus, once a system is infected; the virus compiles a list of files from specific locations on the system and sends information about these files back to the attacker.

      http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/208193786/Shamoon_the_Wiper_Copycats_at_Work

      http://technorati.com/technology/article/embargo-to-espionage-a-cursory-review/

      Kaspersky goes on to say work of talented amateurs linked somehow to Iran, with the burning US flag cited as "marker." The choice of a flag burn, while not a shoe throwing, is cute by half?

      http://www.cio.com/article/716208/_Shamoon_Cyberweapon_the_Work_of_Amateurs_Kaspersky_Says
      http://news.techworld.com/security/3380168/shamoon-attack-on-saudi-oil-industry-had-inside-help/

      Returning to Israeli strike paths and the Arabiya article on shoot down of IDF jets. In it, they say the following:

      "The option of entering Jordanian and Iraqi airspace, however, “is considered to be the preferred route for Israel, though it isn’t clear whether Jordan would turn a ‘blind eye’ to Israeli jets entering its airspace heading east, or whether it would consider such an act a threat to its sovereignty, which may jeopardize the peace treaty between the countries,” UPI reported, citing Yedioth Ahronoth."

      Would the US deployed Specops have something to do with this along with the Turkish mandate for Iraq incursion?

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    2. The aggressive rhetoric in the Al Arabiya article surrounding Israel and Saudi specifically mentioning US and Israeli firms is worth noting. it is also worth considering this story about Saudi denying foreign gangs on its borders.

      "Security authorities in Saudi Arabia on Monday denied the existence of gangs of different nationalities at its borders, local media reported.
      No statements about the gangs were circulated by the border guards, especially through phone messages or social media networks, Colonel Dr. Salem Al Sulaimi, spokesperson of the border guards, told Okaz newspaper on Monday.

      "The purpose of such baseless information is only to spread fear among people, who should seek news from official sources," Sulaimi said, Xinhau news agency reports.Rumor has it that those armed gangs are in Najran, Jizan and Asir, robbing village houses. "The border guards are working day and night to protect borders and they are ready to deal with all security issues," the spokesman said."

      http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=25946&icid=1&d_str=

      Here is the warng from today:

      "Saudi Arabia warned ministries and government entities and companies against an Israeli attempt to infiltrate their computer systems, a report published by a Saudi business daily said.The warning urged them to avoid dealing with foreign companies, especially German and American companies with strong ties with Israel."
      http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/12/243227.html

      Can't help but think of Siberia and Inlaw
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage

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  2. The Jordan and Iraq deployments are straight up along the strike route corridor for IDF. The US exercises in Israel solves the problem of worrying about pulling in the US? I would say that if ever the pieces were in place it is now.

    "On October 14, large numbers of American soldiers are expected to begin arriving in Israel, where they will set up aerial defense positions on Israeli territory and on US Navy vessels off the Israeli coastline. The three-week drill will simulate various missile defense scenarios, and is expected to end with a live-fire interception of a decoy incoming Patriot missile. One of the objectives of the drill is to facilitate the rapid deployment of US missile defense systems to Israel and test their ability to operate in conjunction with Israeli defense systems during a conflict.”"

    US redeploys spec ops to iraq last week.
    US deploys spec op forces to Jordan (as the Jordan King hangs by a chad)
    Turkey gets clearance to raid into Syria and Iraq form Parliament
    US takes MEK off the terror list
    US leans on Maliki to stop iran flights over Iraq territory
    Most logical strike route to Iran through Jordan and Iraq

    US and Israel kick off massive exercises next week.
    Multiple carriers in the gulf.
    Turkey denies today US Special forces on the border
    Israel uses drone shoot down to deploy to Lebanon border (after launching a surprise drill a week before the drone)
    Israel has already deployed to the southern border (Egypt)
    Israel forced clamp down on Gaza tunnels and continues airstrikes




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  3. I don't know if your different anons or the same anons but thanks for all the links. Interesting stuff
    I have to take more time to read up on that virus
    As for the claim by Netanyahu regarding Golan???
    He can say whatever the heck he wants to present himself in any way he wants
    Israel has no intention of giving up the Golan
    His claim it nonsense

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  4. "You get the feeling Erdogen feels a compulsion to keep moving for fear of actually stopping. Zugzwang" - great take, anonymous, & 'Zugzwang' nails Erdogan's self-made predicament precisely...

    RE: the Shamoon Cyberweapon article, the CIO website seemed to have added the Iran bit on their lonesome - didn't come from Kaspersky, & the reports I read pointed to domestic opposition groups against the US 'special relationship'.

    Also don't take the Netanyahu claims seriously, Penny. This is the guy whose original claim to fame was doing cross-border raids with the Sayeret Matkal & massacring Syrian villagers, then leveraging his fame as a 'great warrior' into politics.
    Even with the current roster of appallingly dodgy political operators world-wide, it would be hard to find a more thuggish, corrupt, & mendacious figure than Netanyahu...

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    1. Hey anonymous and Ken M

      "zugzwang" I did not have a clue so I went to look it up
      And I like words and their meanings
      I figured this was German and sure enough it was

      It's a very good choice for what it symbolizes with just one word

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugzwang

      "Zugzwang (German for "compulsion to move", pronounced [ˈtsuːktsvaŋ]) is a situation found usually in chess, but also in various other games, where one player is put at a disadvantage because he has to make a move when he would prefer to pass and make no move. The fact that the player must make a move means that his position will be significantly weaker than the hypothetical one in which it was his opponent's turn to move."

      Ken M

      "Even with the current roster of appallingly dodgy political operators world-wide, it would be hard to find a more thuggish, corrupt, & mendacious figure than Netanyahu..."

      accurate description of that man

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  5. Hi Penny,
    http://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/Thierry-Meyssan-analyse-la-tension-croissante-entre-la-Turquie-et-la-Syrie-14345.html

    Thierry Meyssan on IRIB (French speaking radio of Iran) says that the plane arrested in Turkey transported indeed an electronic device. A device to detect explosives. This is of course a necessity in a country which is the target of real terrorism. It's a defensive device. He also says that Turkey is in a real bad position, because despite the declarations of their respective gouvernments, the NATO personnel on the terrain are packing their stuff and leaving the country, abandonning Ankara in fact. As always, we don't know where he gets his info from and how reliable they are, but at least he is in Syria (Damaskus), something the western media can not pretend.

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    1. Gallier! How are you mon ami?
      I haven't seen you about for a bit, hope all is well?

      The US was admitting today there was nothing illegal on the plane but couldn't resist talking from their amoral perspective

      One would never know that by the stupid headlines

      http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/says+Russian+policy+Syria+morally+bankrupt+after+Turkish+seizure/7381835/story.html

      The U.S. acknowledges the shipments are legal but only because Russia along with China, has repeatedly blocked efforts to impose sanctions, including an arms embargo, on the Assad regime at the U.N. Security Council.

      Therefore there was nothing illegal on the plane, despite the msm bullshit

      Russia is saying it was radar equipment?



      And the US is actually talking about Russia being "morally bankrupt" LOL!!!!

      It's so topsy turvy. I just shake my head at it all the time.

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    2. Thanks, I'm fine, now that I got a Nobel peace price... lol

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    3. Yes, I saw that. The EU got a peace prize.
      After all that a unified Europe has done for peace...???
      This is equally as bad as obama getting the Peace Prize
      Or Henry Kissinger?
      Hey wait a minute
      The very concept of the peace prize is just another sham

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  6. Got to my blogs asapppppppppp I caugth idf in syria!!!!!!!!

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