Thursday, November 8, 2012

Assad "to live and die in Syria" Doha fails- Mortars fall in Israel

Oh and the Riad Sief plan, mentioned here last week is actually the Ford/Sief plan as you will read.
And, yes that is the terrorist/death squad creator US Ambassador to Syria -Robert Ford.

First: Bashar Assad: "Has to live and die in Syria"



 In an exclusive interview with RT, Syrian President Bashar Assad said he will not leave Syria. Assad also spoke on the calls for armed foreign intervention in Syria, and the possible fallout on the country’s internal conflict and across the region.

“We are the last stronghold of secularism and stability in the region and coexistence, let’s say, it will have a domino effect that will affect the world from the Atlantic to the Pacific and you know the implication on the rest of the world,” Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad told RT in an exclusive interview that will air on Friday, November 9.

“I am not a puppet. I was not made by the West to go to the West or to any other country,” he said. “I am Syrian, I was made in Syria, I have to live in Syria and die in Syria,” Assad said during the interview.

Syria has been wracked by internal violence for the past 20 months. With the government and opposition failing to reach an agreement on a ceasefire, foreign nations are pressuring the Syrian president to step down, with some even calling for armed intervention in the war-torn country.

“I do not think the West is going [to intervene], but if they do so, nobody can tell what is next,” Assad said. “I think the price of this [foreign] invasion if it happened is going to be more than the whole world can afford.”

According to a Turkish official, Ankara has officially requested that NATO deploy Patriot missiles along the border with Syria, over fears that armed conflict could spill across the border.

The armed conflict in Syria has turned increasingly violent in recent months. Rebel forces have received significant financial, diplomatic and organizational support from countries like the US and Western-allied nations such as Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
However, the opposition has yet to overcome infighting and form a united government. The rebels’ Western allies have also become concerned by signs that radical Islamists are gaining strength and influence within the opposition

Speaking of the contrived opposition..

They still cannot unite- Despite all the help of NATO
Syrian opposition plans fall apart on eve of Doha conference

The western-backed initiative to form a united Syrian opposition looked to have collapsed on Wednesday night, as key opposition movements from inside the country pulled out.

“There are too many people against this initiative for it to work now,” said a western diplomatic source in Doha.

The plan's failure is a blow to Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, who had announced it unexpectedly a week ago, and to Britain, which had strongly favoured it.

Recalling all those meetings between Russian officials and the internal opposition.............

Also interesting recall the mention of the Riad Seif plan, put forward by Hillary and friends
The name of the plan has changed. As a  bit of truth/reality leaks out.
It had been informally named the ‘Seif-Ford initiative', indicating the coalition between U.S. ambassador to Syria, Robert Ford, and Mr Seif in forming the plan.

The coalition between Robert Ford and Mr Seif ??? Not bloody likely!!
This is Ambassador Ford’s monstrous creation and Mr Seif is the mascot. Like Ronald McDonald!

Chicanery:

The use of trickery to achieve a political, financial, or legal purpose.



In a repeat of the mortars in Turkey..

An Israeli military source said the mortar bomb landed in an Israeli village and had not gone off. No casualties or damage were reported. A military spokesman added that a few mortars had been fired, all of them errant and not aimed at Israeli targets

Israel's army chief, Benny Gantz, on Sunday warned troops on the Golan Heights: "This is a Syrian issue that could become our issue."

Nothing Israel would like better, despite nonsense such as this “Israel needs nerves of Steel”

37 comments:

  1. Wondering why your havent mentioned fsa attack in arsal lebanon on isf agents ...8 killed!!!!

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    1. Hey NYS

      I didn't read about it.
      Can you leave a link?
      BTW, love your piece on Sassoon?
      Can I borrow it?

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    2. Ali,

      Do you have a link?

      Saw this video about Mohamed Rafeh linked at your site along with a quote that appears to be from Lizzie Phelan?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydpuE7yYaKQ&feature=player_embedded#!

      But typing the quote into google I don't see where it came from.

      Updating . . .

      Now I finally found her site: http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com/

      And I see her posts on "Mohammed Rafea" (I've seen so many variations on the spelling) and it is so incredible and sad that these stories are being spiked by the criminal Western media.

      I hope Ms. Phelan stays safe. She's probably going to be a hunted woman by the Mossad/CIA/terrorist assassins.

      Just like Anhar Kochneva was targeted.

      http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/144607/kidnapped-reporter-in-syria-asks-for-help-in-online-message.html

      As I've previously noted, Lizzie Phelan, Anhar Kochneva, and Sharmine Narwani have been the best reporters on Syria (also Thierry Meyssan but I have a few unconfirmed [unfounded?] suspicions about him).

      Her report and Mohammed Rafea's comments make it seem that I am correct when I speculate that we are being lied to in the West about the "rebel" successes which may be why Assad thinks an invasion is unlikely.

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    3. http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/59252-isf-says-probe-launched-to-identify-attackers-of-arsal-checkpoint
      http://thenakedfacts.blogspot.com/2012/11/3-isf-members-injured-in-dispute-with.html some say it wasfuture movement carrying the wounded fsa figther...

      the 8 dead i made a mistake that was the fsa attack on yarmouk paletsinian camp in syria.. http://www.shoah.org.uk/2012/11/05/8-martyrs-in-fsa-shelling-on-palestinian-camp-syrian-army-repels-attacks-on-taftanaz-airport/


      on the jewish opium link sure use that as you wish..its not mine lol and if it was i'd still say yes..

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    4. The Sassoon article leads back to here:
      http://www.bearcanada.com/

      Much of interest to see there, although little about bears or Canada.

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    5. Thanks for leaving all the relevant links Ali

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    6. Good am freethinker
      bearcanada?
      little about bears or Canada?
      Now I am intrigued

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  2. Is he delusional? Or is a victim of psychological warfare that he doesn't understand what we are seeing in the West? Doesn't he understand the Western posturing is for real and it will lead to one conclusion? He did see what happened to Libya, right?

    This is really confusing. How could he not know that the inevitable conclusion is going to be some army or air force attacking his country? Whether it's Turkey and NATO or Israel, it seems guaranteed to happen to me. Unless he thinks this proxy terrorist war will go on for years. There is no walking this back.

    Plus, how could he not consider the insurgents there now a foreign invasion? Is he lying to his people to keep them calm?

    Is he playing coy? Is he pretending to get strung along by the Russian false hopes for peace so he can spring a surprise attack?

    I commend his bravery but he needs to wake up.

    Maybe we are being lied to about the extent of "rebel" success so this is what he's referring to when he claims he doesn't see an invasion. Maybe this the disconnect comes from the propaganda aimed at me (the West).

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    1. Hey WWM
      I don't think he is delusional
      Certainly he knows things we do not.
      He may be reassuring the Syrians. That thought did cross my mind. He is presenting strong leadership and confidence.
      Hoping to quell fears.

      And perhaps we are being lied to about the extent of rebel success?

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    2. Cameron was out yesterday offering "safe passage" to which Assad is probably responding. Presumably?
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204349404578102613660536472.html

      The Russians just parked another sub off the US east coast which dots' the proverbial "i" on a cascade of live fire ICBM/SLBM exercises. The latest was in the northern pacific Nov 1. The Russians may be sending the message not in Syria but in the repeated missile firings. The Sub may be a gentle reminder - perhaps like that moonshot off the west coast a few years ago which some speculated Chinese - that the risk isn't just fighting them "over there" to borrow a Bushism.

      http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/06/navy-detects-russian-sub-off-u-s-east-coast/?hpt=hp_rr_7


      And the Chinese Sub incident circa 2007
      http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/11/missile-fired-off-california-coast-on-same-day-that-chinese-sub-appeared-in-us-carrier-group/

      Russia launches SLBMs/ICBMs
      Russia’s Pacific Fleet subs successfully launch ballistic missiles
      http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_11_01/Russia-s-Pacific-Fleet-subs-successfully-launch-ballistic-missiles/


      And more missile launches...circa Oct-12
      Russia has test-fired two nuclear-capable ballistic missiles as it continued to hone their effectiveness amid an escalating row with the United States over space defence and other issues.

      The Russian defence ministry and a navy officials said Friday the Topol and R-29R rockets were fired from an underground bunker and a submerged submarine on opposite sides of the country in the northwest and Far East.

      http://brahmand.com/news/Russia-test-fires-two-ballistic-missiles-amid-US-row/10292/1/10.html

      http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-10/12/content_10184292.htm

      and this:
      Oct 22 (Interfax) – There is a possibility that in 2013 two Pacific Fleet strategic submarines will simultaneously fire submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBM) from submerged position…


      http://www.interfax.co.uk/russia-news/two-pacific-fleet-subs-will-be-able-to-simultaneously-launch-ballistic-missiles-in-2013-part-2/

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    3. Oh and there is this about the Chinese testing a new anti satellite weapon.
      http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/10/18/2003545460

      Recall the X-37Bis set to take off again in...
      The Air Force’s mysterious X-37B space plane is now readying for its third space mission, slated to begin in October. And perhaps not surprising for the hush-hush orbital drone, the third time into space remains as secretive as the first two.
      http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/space-plane-2/

      And the last 15 month voyage

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47842589/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/air-forces-secret-x-b-space-plane-lands-calif-after-mystery-mission/#.UJwWn2flexM

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    4. anonymous,

      I presume that's what Assad was responding to. For sure.

      These incidents remind me of the Kursk and the possibility that something fishy was going on, like with Mavri Mamara. Was the Kursk sinking a staged confrontation to make it seem the countries were in conflict when they weren't. Are these naval tensions designed for similar purposes?

      See this 50 minute video on the incident and the strange facts surrounding it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=985zeVQLnDc&feature=related

      Here's an explanation of the 'conspiracy' theories:

      The only evidence that supporters of these theories can point to is the immediate flare up in U.S.-Russian diplomatic activity, including an unscheduled phone call between President Vladimir Putin and President Bill Clinton, and CIA Director George Tenet's emergency visit to Moscow on August 17, 2000. Soon after that visit, the Russian military's top-brass stopped suggesting on the record that the Kursk sunk as a result of a collision with a foreign submarine. And the U.S. agreed to write off a portion Russia's debts (about $10 billion in total). . . .

      The year 2000 marked a shift in the Russian government's attitude toward the Navy, and federal spending on its upkeep has been going up ever since. So, hopefully, the government's stated intention of revamping the naval forces, including the submarine fleet, will soon become a reality.


      So could have been a profit motive as well.

      I agree with aangirfan on this:

      "My assumption that Russia and China are natural partners against this aggressive US-Israeli empire has totally fallen apart."

      http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2012/09/putin-mystery.html

      Even makes me wonder if the submarine conflict in the Cold War was heightened for similar reasons . . . like with the Hunt for Red October, etc. Or the Russian/U.S. subs that collided in 1993.

      And let's not forget that Medvedev was making a big deal last fall about pointing his nuclear weapons at the West and withdrawing from the START treaty but that all appears to be for show! See here for some comments I'm particularly proud of: http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2012/10/an-attack-on-iran-and-role-of-georgia.html?showComment=1350968374963#c9004115633483611699

      As I explore in those comments I think the nuclear showdown and missile defense dustup was cover to allow the U.S. to start deploying missiles in Southern Europe like we're seeing now in Turkey!! And of course the U.S. used the seeming political tension as a pretext to get out of it's treaty obligations regarding how many troops it is allowed to keep in Europe!!

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    5. Russia and China have a long history of adversarial relations far predating the cold war. That said, they have a mutual interest in preserving and protecting the Eurasian land routes. I have no idea what AANGIRFAN thinks about Putin and China, but a close look at China reveals a battle below the surface between those subscribing to a US monetary grand design and a cadre that opposes it (neo maoists or is that controlled opposition akin to Putin?). At some point the grand design becomes so complicated it falls apart.

      You might recall that Russia has a long and sordid history with the IMF ad disappearing money (and BNY scandal). Just go back and look at the principal in Bank Menatep. The Russian Oligarchs have an obvious loyalty outside Russia which is in evidence in the long running Putin disputes.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8889970/Vladimir-Putin-told-Boris-Berezovsky-the-show-is-over.html

      Suggesting Putin and Medvedev are part of the US|Israeli axis is probably overly simplistic. Wasn't Kissinger just out saying Israel will not be around in 10 years.
      http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/cindy_adams/no_more_israel_h4kjPIab5EtBjAxsWoFYoO


      Turkey is a vassal state. Russia played one for a decade. The best summary probably comes from the Patriarch a few days ago warning of new trouble times.
      http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hxYr9wjmYtPlpXMvzE1iGEEQXEvA?docId=CNG.33b25e68ec1c209c13813d8d6b6a817f.61

      Note what he says especially the last sentence:
      "We should first and foremost take care not to allow the Smuta in the minds, Smuta in the heads, because today there are people who, like Moscow's nobles, offer unacceptable recipes for the modernisation of our life and the improvement of living conditions for our people," said Kirill, speaking on a religious programme regularly featured on the country's most popular television channel. The patriarch did not name any names, but his message will likely be seen as a veiled attack on the promotion of Western liberal values by the anti-Putin protest movement that began organising mass demonstrations last winter before the strongman's re-election to an unprecedented third Kremlin term. Kirill said on state-controlled Channel One that Russians should learn from the country's past and not make the same mistake twice by allowing foreigners to take control of Russia."


      AANGIRFAN seems to be glossing over the Russian geography. Take for example the Russian nuanced position on Afghanistan which has a lot to do with the restless caucuses region. The US and Israelis have been longtime antagonists in the southern underbelly, like the recent troubles in Daghastan. Meanwhile out in Tajikistan, the Russians and the US might have common cause as regards keeping China engaged.

      None of this means means the Russians are as a matter of course part of the Israeli faction. At times, yes.

      Russia also has a strategic interest in the Caspian, a treaty which has yet to be hammered out. Whilst its Iran partnership on reactors is fruitful, there are also geo strategic calculations for managing the relationship (as Atimes Pepe Eeecobar covers best re piplinestan).

      leaving the Kursk aside, what possible motive did the Russians have for bringing down the Polish president's plane? Or was there an interest in making it look like a Russian given the circumstances and Poland's being the heartbeat of NATO's FSU expansion?


      That the Russians haven't moved on Syria isn't really the issue, yet. Rather it is a question of will they move if need be? You may in fact be correct that if NATO goes into Syria and Russia stands aside - China has other issues at the moment (conveniently the Japan elections have now been pushed off) - then reconsideration is in order. But again it would depend on what the Russian counter moves were as regards LONG TERM interests.

      No permanent friends just interests right...

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    6. Anonymous, re the Roman Abramovich and Boris Berezovsky High Court story . . . it's a bit confusing for me as it's new to me . . . but a silly question first:

      What's the deal with the lapel pin Berezovsky is wearing?

      It's the same pin David Cameron is wearing here as he answers questions about the pedophile inquiries: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXdAQx8K3j0

      It's also interesting looking at the red, white, black, and azure colors of the picture of Berezovsky and Abromovich as they enter court since I just read this post about the symbolism of these colors: http://letsrollforums.com/showpost.php?p=238741&postcount=539

      Now, to pursue my conspiracy theory for a moment about the Kursk . . . maybe this court case and the firing of Berezovsky for his Kursk reporting was done simply to create even more drama surrounding this event to make people want to either spend money on the Navy or to emphasize to people that maybe the British or Americans were responsible. It basically kept the incident in the news.

      Plus, as I write below, it's been shown that some oligarchs, like Khordorkovsky, were merely stand-ins for the real owners of the wealth . . . in Khordorkovsky's case, the Rothschilds. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/nov/2/20031102-111400-3720r/

      re these oligarchs being ordered to engage in this legal battle?

      Re Kissinger . . . is he promoting Albert Pike's prophesy for a third world war?

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    7. Hey Penny, did this last comment go into the spam filter for some reason?

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    8. WWM
      you actually had two comments in spam folder
      either you are putting them up to quickly or they contain links
      blogger sends them automatically to the spam file
      but, I let them through.

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    9. Good comment anonymous 2:36 pm
      And a response to wwm at the same time

      "Russia and China have a long history of adversarial relations far predating the cold war. That said, they have a mutual interest in preserving and protecting the Eurasian land routes"

      "You might recall that Russia has a long and sordid history with the IMF ad disappearing money (and BNY scandal). Just go back and look at the principal in Bank Menatep. The Russian Oligarchs have an obvious loyalty outside Russia which is in evidence in the long running Putin disputes"

      The Oligarchs loyalty is to the banksters.
      Thinking of the one guy sitting in prison in Russia signing all his shares in ??? over the a member of the Rothschild family

      I covered that previously, some time ago, so it is interesting to go back and refresh my memory

      http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2010/12/khodorkovsky-saga-western-style.html

      Read through that post and you will see many, many familiar players

      "Suggesting Putin and Medvedev are part of the US|Israeli axis is probably overly simplistic"

      Likely so

      "Turkey is a vassal state"

      Has been for some time now. Going back to after WW2.
      If I am not mistaken Turkey was one of the first nations in the ME to recognize the artificially created state of Israel. The US also had nukes there pointed at the then USSR


      "Russia played one for a decade"

      Gorbachev to Yeltsin? Roughly?

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    10. Pt 2

      The best summary probably comes from the Patriarch a few days ago warning of new trouble times.
      http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hxYr9wjmYtPlpXMvzE1iGEEQXEvA?docId=CNG.33b25e68ec1c209c13813d8d6b6a817f.61

      "We should first and foremost take care not to allow the Smuta in the minds, Smuta in the heads, because today there are people who, like Moscow's nobles, offer unacceptable recipes for the modernisation of our life and the improvement of living conditions for our people," said Kirill, speaking on a religious programme regularly featured on the country's most popular television channel. The patriarch did not name any names, but his message will likely be seen as a veiled attack on the promotion of Western liberal values by the anti-Putin protest movement"

      Or a reminder of the Bolshevik revolution, when many Khazarians took the helm at the behest of the banking classes and brutalized the people

      Smuta seems to mean the time of great troubles
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_Troubles
      It appears as if it could apply to more then one time period in Russian History


      "Kirill said on state-controlled Channel One that Russians should learn from the country's past and not make the same mistake twice by allowing foreigners to take control of Russia."

      Seems sound advice

      "The US and Israelis have been longtime antagonists in the southern underbelly, like the recent troubles in Daghastan"

      WWM you may recall some posts on that angle
      The Islamists in the Caucasus, Pankisi Gorge and Georgia along with Turkey.
      Man this shit gets complicated!!


      Skipping through the rest of the comment to get to this stuff!! The Polish plane-

      ""leaving the Kursk aside, what possible motive did the Russians have for bringing down the Polish president's plane? Or was there an interest in making it look like a Russian given the circumstances and Poland's being the heartbeat of NATO's FSU expansion?"


      Now if I had to make a best educaed guess on that one... it appears to me that was done to frame Russia.
      Like picking at a sore. Stirring up old feelings and old animosities

      RE: Russia/Syria-

      "No permanent friends just interests right..."

      That is how I would see it

      WWM?

      Also you weren't here at the time I did some work on the polish plane incident

      http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2010/04/deadheading-polish-government.html

      http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2010/04/deadheading-polish-government-pt-2.html

      http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2010/04/poland-dispute-with-bankers-over.html

      http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2010/04/poland-imf-loans-and-radoslaw-sikorski.html

      that is four of them, there is more, you can click the Poland tag at the bottom and get the rest of them up

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    11. Thanks Penny.

      Wonder if blogger is censoring Let's Roll and John Friend's blog then. They must be doing something right then . . .

      Looks like we had the same thoughts about Khodorkovsky and the Russian elite!

      I also agree with you that Kirill could be referring to a Bolshevik foreign takeover just as much as a Polish or French or German or Western capitalist takeover.

      I'll check out your posts on the plane incident . . . I'm always interested in potential psy ops and your theory seems valid.

      Re Turkey, I agree this appears to be the early and most loyal vassal state in the region . . . which is why Syria *should* [not that I'm advocating this or want it . . . just arguing it's in Syria's best interest] invade Turkey and try to occupy it. Syria has few military options and all will probably fail . . . the best it can hope for is to influence the region in the future by trying to destroy the traitorous leaders of this vassal state and create anti-imperialist conditions in the future (say by bombing the dams so water is released to Syria and Iraq). Let the region see that Turkey is fighting Israel and NATO's war and bring the war to Turkey instead of waiting for it to come to Syria.

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  3. Thanks for your response anonymous,

    Don't know about the Polish president's plane. . . haven't given it enough thought . . . but it could be part of a "head fake" operation.

    While tension between Russia and the West was heightened in Northern Europe by the U.S. refusal to renegotiate the New START treaty, NATO armed itself in the South in places like Romania and Bulgaria. The linked Foreign Policy article also reports that the U.S. opened up radar sites in Southern Turkey in September, 2011! Now they are bringing Patriot missiles to Turkey as well. So maybe the plane crash was part of this Northern distraction.

    Also, I think it's HUGE that the U.S. used the tension with Russia last fall to “announce[] that it would stop honoring its obligations under the Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) Treaty . . . .” [From the same FP link above.] This treaty regulated the presence of U.S. troops and war material in Europe and the Caucasus first negotiated by Reagan and Gorbachev. As I show in my previous comments the news of the failure of this treaty was not reported much beyond this FP blog post—amazing!

    Russia has also taken the following steps to undermine its support for Syria and to forge closer ties to the West:

    1. It joined the WTO in August 2012.

    2. It is allowing NATO use of its bases in its sphere of influence in Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan. ("The development is important because it signals Russian willingness to indirectly support the NATO-led mission [in Afghanistan].”)

    3. In March 2012, Russia promised not to get involved in Syria militarily and Putin called Assad a dead man. ("Russia’s Prime Minister Vladimir Putin on Friday accused the West of fueling the Syrian conflict by backing government opposition, but his foreign ministry said it will not protect Syria from military intervention. . . . 'There is no talk about us offering military assistance,' Lukashevich said in a statement. 'Russia isn’t going to do anything of the kind.'

    Putin ridiculed Western demands of Assad, saying the next thing they want will be for the Syrian leader 'to grab a wooden mackintosh and have music play in his house.' A wooden mackintosh, or trenchcoat, was a jovial term used in Soviet-era comedy movies to mean coffin.

    Assad 'will not hear (the music) because it will be his funeral,' he said. 'He will never agree to that demand.' . . .

    It seems to us that Russia is not going to preserve those interests that it deems important if it rides the Assad Titanic all the way to the bottom of the Mediterranean,' he said.”) Searching for this link again I see how little reported it was and many links seem to have been scrubbed from the internet.

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    4. Russia cancelled the sale of advanced fighter jets to Syria in 2009 (using Iranian financing), over the objections of Israel . (“The authors argue that Russia has been very cautious in selling arms to Syria, making sure that Western powers and especially Israel did not object to the equipment being provided. In particular, Russia has refused to sell Iskander ballistic missile systems and S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria. In other words, the report argues that Russia has valued its relationship with Western states and Israel more than the financial and political gains from selling more weapons to Syria.”)

    5. Russia cancelled its contracts with Syria in 2010 for the S-300 system and cancelled the sale of 8 Mig-31s and surface-to-sea missiles in 2012, all at the insistence of Israel. (“at a meeting in Moscow in 2010, PM Netanyahu convinced Putin to cancel the sale of the same S-300 system to Iran”).

    6. Of course Russia sat by quietly why Libya got whacked in 2011.

    7. Unprecedented military cooperation after 9/11, an attack that Putin had a “premonition” about.

    All of this evidence adds up to Russia being in cahoots with the West. I don’t know if I subscribe to this particular conspiracy theory, because it’s a doozie, but I could see Yeltsin and Putin benefiting from the securities Greenspan and George H.W. Bush created to attack the Soviet Union. The author claims clearing these securities was one of the financial motives of the 9/11 attacks. It’s a grand theory: "When Khodorkovsky was arrested, his secretive business arrangement with the Rothschild family was exposed as Jacob Rothschild assumed Khodorkovsky’s 26% control of Yukos while Khodorkovsky’s directorial seat on the Yukos board went to Edgar Ortiz, a former Halliburton vice president during Dick Cheney’s reign as CEO at Halliburton."

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    1. "When Khodorkovsky was arrested, his secretive business arrangement with the Rothschild family was exposed as Jacob Rothschild assumed Khodorkovsky’s 26% control of Yukos while Khodorkovsky’s directorial seat on the Yukos board went to Edgar Ortiz, a former Halliburton vice president during Dick Cheney’s reign as CEO at Halliburton."

      WWM when you see my previous posts, you will see that covered that is what makes a banker/ business tie connection
      Not necessarily a nation connection
      I do think the bankster/business class use nations like a carpenter uses tools

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    2. 2009 wasnt that during the rule of Medvedev? an unfortunate eg of the failure of democracy

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  5. Morris has a very interesting guest from Serbia Russia's Serbia Plays The EU and Clinton
    'Russia is playing chess while the West is playing chequers...Everything that Serbia is doing today is following a KGB or Russian developed script'


    Walt, that lapel pin is the poppy used in Masonic Britain to celebrate the 11th hour 11th day 11th month Armistice. It is de rigueur. Traditionally only red & black, the green leaf is a new addition.

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    1. Thanks for the info on the pin.

      And great link to a very intelligent discussion.

      The quote, "Russia is playing chess while the West is playing checkers" is too clever by half though. Reminds me of all the times Obama's progressive fans have used it to defend his conservative policies.

      I have been fairly ignorant of the history of the Balkans, being an American I guess, but recently watched this video of the German occupation of Yugoslavia and the 'betrayal of the Cossacks. So when the commentator notes that "Serbia is . . . following a KGB or Russian developed script" I can't help but think of the Bolshevik predecessors to the KGB and the Russian Federation that influenced Serbia so much and wonder if it's in Serbia's interest to play this chess game.

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    2. Walt, regarding the Bolsheviks I left a reply to you on the Spooner thread.

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    3. Left a reply freethinker. Now I'll stop hogging the site and try to get some work done :)

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  6. Syrian for Peace ‏@syrian4peace
    #FSA terrorists admit bombing pro-government village in Homs & killing the civilians there while FSA supporters deny it http://youtu.be/9tum3BQ2LTI
    a breakdown in communications?

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  7. The full Assad interview is now on RT-YT: Assad Interview
    I haven't watched it yet so won't comment.

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  8. Penny,

    Good posts on the Polish plane incident. It may be my bias, but I see further evidence for my theory that the differences between Poland and Russia were exaggerated as a head fake, while in reality they forged closer ties and worked hand in hand with the West and its international bankers. In other words, the differences were hypothetical and symbolic, while the ties were real and significant.

    From your first link:

    "As soon as Mr. Kaczynski took office in the presidential headquarters in the center of Warsaw, he forged close relations with Ukraine and Georgia determined to bring them into the NATO fold
    He lobbied hard for the United States to deploy part of its controversial shield against ballistic missiles in Poland, arguing that it would enhance Poland’s security against Russia."

    "Poland and Russia had made long term natural gas agreements. With all relevant documents to be signed shortly."

    "Putin made an unprecedented gesture of good will on this issue, becoming the first Russian leader ever to commemorate Stalin's mass executions of Poles alongside a Polish leader. Prime Minister Tusk had flown in to Smolensk that day for the ceremony in the village of Katyn, where most of the 22,000 political murders were carried [out.]

    The Polish President believed that ties between Russia and Poland could not be normalized without reconciliation without achieving reconciliation over these crimes." [quoting a news source]

    Your third post raises good points about the Central Bank and economic policies. Now in hindsight, it looks as if the banking sector (2/3ds of which is foreign owned) set record profits after the plane crash in 2010. It appears the private Central Bank profit is now “almost entirely” transferred to the government (whereas it was kept more in private hands before the crash, evidently). But I wonder if the huge credit expansion and building boom of the last few years was a gift to favored contractors and corporations and now the people will be left holding the bag when the bubble collapses . . .

    Your fourth post on IMF loans is good too. You quote a source:

    “The issue had been a sore point between the ministry and the bank, but the death of Slawomir Skrzyepk, the former central bank governor, in the April 10 air crash, has taken some heat out of the argument.”

    You correctly ask:

    “Who would benefit from Poland taking on more IMF loans? Not Poland, of course. For their would be austerity measures put in place. Hmmmmm........”

    And of course in 2011 the IMF grants Poland a $30 Billion loan facility.

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  9. go to 5:50 and you can see a title at bottom in news thread: 'british PM has floated idea of giving Assad safe passage'....now how does he plan to do that? unless he has influence with the terrorists, and why do it? for FUKUSA this war on syria is all about getting rid of president Assad , and they are ready to kill every syrian if necessary to achieve it
    http://sonsofmalcolm.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/sukant-discussing-syria-on-press-tv.html

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  10. #ANKARA, (SANA) – Abu Abdo, weapons smuggler who channels weapons and money from Turkey to Syria, said that the government of Development and Justice party (AKP) is playing the major role in facilitating weapons smuggling and opening the borders for terrorists to cross to Syria.

    AFP quoted Abu Abdo as saying that "If Turkey tightens the security on the Syrian-Turkish borders, then the 'repels' will lose in ten days."

    Abu Abdo added that he has information that confirms that Turkish weapons have been purchased by Saudi and Qatari money as to be smuggled to Syria.

    Abu Abdo confessed to smuggling communication devices, vests, weapons and munitions to the so-called 'free army', adding that lots of goods, including food, medicine and other basic materials, are being brought to Syria from abroad because of the international sanctions imposed on the county.

    M.D
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=447659258603195&set=a.298390980196691.60683.298382103530912&type=1&theater

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    1. Here's a somewhat confusing report about the border between the Turkey and Syria: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf4K5fqqPiw&list=UU5gtqdJOvhGdh-6WRO2CTpw&index=19&feature=plcp

      Appears the FSA is in control of the Syrian side of the border according to Press TV?

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  11. japanese regime servants of empire and supporters of terrorism,...youd think with their history theyd know better!
    http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/delegates-from-60-countries-expected-at-tokyo-syria-conference?utm_campaign=jt_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=jt_newsletter_2012-11-12_AM

    theyre only doing it because of pressure from the US....syria can retaliate by supporting China in the fracas over certain islands

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  12. https://www.facebook.com/notes/brian-souter/my-letter-to-sky-news-on-their-bogus-claim-syrias-airforce-is-raining-clusterbom/429434583771811

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