Wednesday, March 6, 2013

The Trivium Method vs the Classical Trivium- History, so it does not repeat

If it matters at all to you personally, I did find this presentation very interesting.
Which is, of course, the reason it is getting posted.
It is not an easy listen. Much territory is covered.
And the list of references....... lengthy.
You might have to listen more then once.
And, that is ok.
I expect that those who read here have terrific attention spans.
- Open minds.
-Are sick of the lies that are fed to us via the mind control school system and media.
-Want to be better informed
-Understand how they are manipulated by the elite classes
-And most importantly want to live in a world that is beneficial to humanity as a whole rather then witnessing all benefits being directed to a limited number of connected  psychopathic individuals and their sycophants.


The presentation is brought to us all by Tragedy and Hope
Which is a very  good resource, and should be in the sidebar here, if I could only get motivated to update it.
(Yes, I will get around to it.....admitting to be lax on that note)


approximately two hours in length

A partial listing of references:

  1. 1m “The Great Chain of Being and the Organic Unity of the Polis” by Kevin Cole (Winter 2013)
  2. 2m “The Trivium Method” by Jan Irvin and Gene Odening @ Gnostic Media dot com
  3. 3m “The Trivium Method of Critical Thinking and Creative Problem Solving” vs. the innate method of learning, and comparing it to how the Classical Trivium (as a method of institutionalizing individuals) has historically been used prior to the 21st century.
  4. 4m History of the Classical Trivium is the history of the Great Chain of Being, useful in shaping cultures. The Great Chain of Being is defined in classical terms.
  5. 5m The concept of “balanced” government and civil society itself, The Ominous Continuity of the “education” system we know as schooling
  6. 6m The changing of terms as a means of gaining power over unwitting minds
  7. 7m The Occulting of Knowledge to create Power
  8. 8m Legacy of 2,500 years of the Noble Lie being used to create Power
  9. 9m Romantic Nationalism & Germany vs. Limited Government System, continued definition of the Great Chain of Being (3 estates)
  10. 10m Caste System, Divine Right of Kings, and the Classical Trivium; specifically the artificial scarcity of the “7” liberal arts
  11. 11m Enkyklios Paideia and the Caste System, Arnold Toynbee “it allows each empire to be immortal”
  12. 12m Great Chain of Being and the Classical Trivium in context of Organic Unity
  13. 13m United Nations Charter provisions, Positive and Negative Rights, staying knowledgeable about the first principles and jury nullification, Thomas Jefferson and First Principles
    1. Article 29: 1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. 2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
    2. Article 30: Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
  14. 14m Logical foundation of Negative Rights, Irrational foundation of Positive Rights
  15. 15m Definition of Organic Unity
  16. 16m Scott Buchannan quote on the Classical Trivium to create Organic Unity, Cardinal and Ordinal structures of the story (Buchannan was a Rhodes Scholar)
  17. 17m Definitions: The Auctors, The Polis, The Polity, Episcopal, hierarchical structures of authorities, Anglicanism (Church of England)
  18. 18m Comparison and Contrast the Trivium Method vs. the Classical Trivium, 7 Liberal Arts, Plato, Aristotle, educational philosophy and Isocrates,
  19. 19m The “general education” of the inscribed circle of the Enkyklios Paideia, foreshadowing Fichte and Hegel of the Prussian Education System
    1. encyclopedia (n.) 1530s, “course of instruction,” from Modern Latin encyclopaedia (c.1500), literally “training in a circle,” i.e. the “circle” of arts and sciences, the essentials of a liberal education; from enkyklios “circular,” and paideia “education”.
    2. According to some accounts such as the American Heritage Dictionary copyists of Latin manuscripts took this phrase to be a single Greek word, enkuklopaedia.
  20. 20m plunder v. production and human livestock, classical Trivium as a system of creating production to be plundered… farming plunder
  21. 21m Latin education and the Divine Right of Kings, organic unity and feudalism, legitimizing the great chain of being (methods of authority), using the battlefield and education to subjugate individuals for lack of Knowledge.
  22. 22m Legitimizing the storyteller as the authority of the day, group-think, authority to control human resources. Any citizen can become an individual through learning habits of self-reliance
  23. 23m “Authorities” (educators, sophists) define the “Grammar” of the Classical Trivium, thus making the “Logic” a belief, not an understanding. No knowledge is necessary for belief, in fact belief is often what fills the void created when Knowledge is absent.
  24. 24m Unified systems of knowledge, cybernetics and the ship of state (Plato), first principles and common ground (Logic) necessary for linguistic communication. The use of these ideologies to create state systems.
  25. 25m Richard Haklyut and Queen Elizabeth, propagating organic unity as “natural”, even though it depends on people ruling over others. Scott Buchannan papers from Harvard University, “Poetry and Mathematics” (foreshadowing role of Rhodes Scholars)
    1. Richard Hakluyt (c. 1552 or 1553 – 23 November 1616) was an English writer. He is known for promoting the settlement of North America by the English through his works, notably Divers Voyages Touching the Discoverie of America (1582) and The Principal Navigations, Voiages, Traffiques and Discoueries of the English Nation (1589–1600).
  26. 26m Dorothy Sayers and removing the myths to get to the facts of her claims, Reinhold Niebuhr, Royal Institute of International Affairs, Milner Rhodes Roundtable Group, secularizing values to continue organic unity
  27. 27m Dorothy Sayers quotes in favor of British Empire building and Cecil Rhodes / Milner Roundtable Group and Organic Unity
  28. 28m Origins of the systems which create and facilitate organic unity, cybernetics, using the knowledge of self-learning to dissect the history and identify the contradictions of our public educations
  29. 29m Gnostic Media interview with Gene Odening, how the human being learns, removing the dogma from the process of learning for one’s self
  30. 30m Asking substantial questions and using a method to find valid answers consistently vs. the Classical Trivium (prescribed “Grammar”, mandated “Logic”, rhetoric which reinforces servitude)
  31. 31m Isocrates and literacy as a form of slavery (i.e. sophism) until the reader learns how to identify reality and remove unreality (i.e. logic).
  32. 32m closed systems of learning to maintain the city-states, aristocracy, and ruling class to manage the polity (public); educating the kings, adopting education systems to gain power over the polity, dichotomy of control, creating knowledge gaps to create “power”.
  33. 33m focus on significant and substantial, discard the arbitrary, dismiss the irrational. Sayers’ biases and the basis of Christian Homeschooling in America.
  34. 34m Sayers’ system as the “closest to the perfection of Plato’s Republic” – Freemasonry
  35. 35m Christian Homeschooling and predefined grammar, infecting the logic by not asking preliminary questions to identify that which exists, reality from unreality (Sayers’ seeds of irrationality)
  36. 36m History of Ideas in relation to the Trivium Method contrasted to the Classical Trivium and the history of creating organic unity
  37. 37m The Classical Trivium, Freemasonry as a feedback mechanism for creating organic unity through empire, “Builders of Empire: Freemasons and British Imperialism (1717-1927)” by Jessica Harland Jacobs
  38. 38m “Origins of Freemasonry” by Thomas Paine,
  39. 39m Johann Joachim Christoph “J.C.” Bode, Nicholas Bonneville, Philo’s Reply to Questions Concerning His Association with the Illu… by Jeva Singh-Anand, Illuminati Manifesto of World Revolution (1792) translated by Marco de Luchetti,
  40. 40m King Elfwad, Charlemagne, and the origins of the word “Trivium” by Alcuin of York
  41. 41m Ancient Greece, systems of preserving itself against surrounding piranha states
  42. 42m Enkyklios Paideia created by Isocrates preserves organic unity until Thomas Jefferson recognizes what it is, and what it does
  43. 43m Scott Buchanan and Stringfellow Barr (Rhodes Scholars) and Freemasonry, origins of “Classical Trivium” revival veiling the Enkyklios Paideia
  44. 44m filling in between Isocrates and the Freemasons, Jesuits and the Ratio Studiorum, which was rejected by John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, Ratio Studiorum as continuation of organic unity under godhead of theology.
  45. 45m Thomas Jefferson (post-revolution) goes to William and Mary and has the Classical Trivium removed from the curriculum, breaking the mechanism of British perpetuation of their organic unity
  46. 46m Thomas Jefferson addressing the Educational Perennialists of his day, accepting the theory before inspection, condemnation prior to observation, “putting your logic before your grammar” as Jan Irvin says
  47. 47m Education as a tool of creating culture, its how the state reproduces itself, “reality” filtered through he prescribed rhetoric of the state,
  48. 48m Ignatius Loyola, Alumbrados, the Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius Loyola as the origins of the esoteric organic unity progressed by the Jesuits, various flavors of organic unity (various empires through time), sacrifice of the individual to the state
  49. 49m Bavarian Illuminati, Thomas Paine, Nicholas Bonneville, and connections to the origins of America, May 1, 1776, Adam Weishaupt (1911 Encyclopedia Britannica entry for Illumati), Baron Adolph ‘Philo’ Knigge as Weishaupt’s #2 in the Bavarian Illuminati
  50. 50m Bavarian Illuminati as intellectual group fighting against organic unity and divine right of kings in Europe. “Philo’s Reply to Questions Concerning His Association with the Illuminati” Reply by Jeva Singh Anand reveals the personal conversations between Adam Weishaupt and Baron von Knigge prior to Knigge’s resignation from the Bavarian Illuminati and the promotion of revolutionary publisher J.C. Bode.
There are approximately 80 more references. Those can be accessed  @ Gnostic Media


16 comments:

  1. I do like John Taylor Gatto so
    in my meritocratic society he would run the education system

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    1. Yes dog, John Taylor Gatto is very good
      Really knowledgeable
      I had a few interviews with him posted... probably a few years ago now
      And I have read a couple of his books
      I would have to go look on the overflowing bookshelves in my house to tell you which ones exactly
      Which doesn't matter really, it was good reading

      A society based on merit?
      Interesting
      Hope you do give a listen and then come back and tell me what you thought?
      I would love it!
      take care dog
      btw: glad to see you are still about :)

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  2. On the question of Iraq, Syria, rebels etc...

    The iraq spillover is not a shock. The Iraqi PM came out late last year an accused the Qataris and Turkey of being behind the Anbar Re awakening. you might recall a number of Iraqi soliders were killed in the unrest recently.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/world/middleeast/clashes-turn-deadly-after-iraqi-forces-open-fire-on-protesters.html?_r=0


    Now that Talabani is finished, the Kurds are in flux.
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/talabanis-no-2-testing-iraqi-waters-in-ankara.aspx?pageID=238&nID=41160&NewsCatID=338


    Turkey and the US have been engaged na very public spat over the role of Turkey in northern Iraq. Turkey is playing for Kirkuk keeps and the transit cooridor. The US has in the pres at least feigned that it is committed to keeping iraq intact. The US just shelved the transfer of some frigates to Turkey
    http://www.defencegreece.com/index.php/2013/01/us-congress-shelves-transfer-of-missile-frigates-to-turkey/
    http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_03_01/Kerry-s-Ankara-visit-to-bridge-the-rift-in-US-Turkey-ties/


    The Turkish position is layed out here: Turkey can be game-maker in Iraq’s north, eastern Med
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-can-be-game-maker-in-iraqs-north-eastern-med.aspx?pageID=238&nID=41784&NewsCatID=338

    “Iraq’s north and the eastern Mediterranean are the two regions where Turkey can be a game-changer in the world’s energy outlook, a prominent expert says. ‘Turkey can contribute to the rewriting of the rules of the game,’ says Mehmet Ögütçü, noting that it will otherwise be playing a game written by others”

    The Turkish push to settle the PKK issues with the recent overtures to Ocalan
    Öcalan calls for finalization of process in two to three weeks
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ocalan-calls-for-finalization-of-process-in-two-to-three-weeks-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=41877&NewsCatID=338

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  3. The Turkish push to settle the PKK issues with the recent overtures to Ocalan
    Öcalan calls for finalization of process in two to three weeks
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ocalan-calls-for-finalization-of-process-in-two-to-three-weeks-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=41877&NewsCatID=338

    The Turks have also ruffled US feathers by facilitating the gold trade with Iran which has had the dual benefit of keeping them in the Iranian fuel game and bolstering their fiscal balances
    http://www.bne.eu/story4566/US_sanctions_start_to_bite_on_Turkish_gold_exports


    Recall that when the Baghdadis (Maliki aligned) convicted the former VP last year for running death squads he headed to Qatar, Kurdistan and Turkey. The Southern leadership has said that Iraq will go to war over Kirkuk (see the Wapo article late last year).
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17583666
    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-12-18/world/35887389_1_kurdistan-pesh-merga-land-and-oil

    [See comments section somewhere last year about the Exxon pullout of southern Iraq]

    The Kurds have started to resume export despite no agreement with the south. The Swiss traders are facilitation the flow via overland trucking out of Turkey…Incidentally one of the majors heading into Kurdistan is none other than Genel which is the former Tony Hayward (of BOP fame) and Nat Rothschild energy shell.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/23/iraq-kurdistan-traders-idUSL5E8LN8MV20121023

    “Since joining Genel Energy Plc (GENL) last year, Hayward has pushed the semi-autonomous Kurds to finish building a link to neighboring Turkey so he can find buyers outside the local market. Kurdish contractor Kar Group said it has completed 23 percent of the first 48-mile (77-kilometer) section of the line north to the border, though Turkey hasn’t said publicly it will take the oil.” Iraq’s Kurds, who historically have resisted control by Arab-dominated central governments, are charting a course to independently develop oil reserves that the Kurdistan Regional Government calculates at 45 billion barrels -- larger than BP’s estimate for the U.S. or Nigeria, Africa’s biggest producer.” DNO International ASA (DNO) is among companies pumping crude at Kurdish fields that have one main export route, the central government’s pipeline from the city of Kirkuk in northern Iraq to the Mediterranean port of Ceyhan, Turkey. A dispute over oil contracts and revenue-sharing prompted Kurdish authorities to halt flows into this network on April 1. Producers now must sell their oil locally or send small loads by truck into Turkey. The pipeline plan “seems quite provocative,” Ivor Pether, a fund manager at Royal London Asset Management which oversees $60 billion of securities, said in a June 26 e-mail.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-29/tony-hayward-loads-trucks-with-kurdish-oil-awaiting-pipe-energy.html


    Duly note that the Iraq pipeline linking to Turkey has come under repeated attack, again this past week
    2012 attack: http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/turkey-iraq-oil-pipeline-explodes-officials-blame-pkk-1.452568
    2013 attack: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/20/284571/explosion-hits-iraqturkey-oil-pipeline/
    2013 3rd time: http://www.iraq-businessnews.com/2013/02/27/fuel-pipeline-attacked-for-3rd-time/

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  4. “Since joining Genel Energy Plc (GENL) last year, Hayward has pushed the semi-autonomous Kurds to finish building a link to neighboring Turkey so he can find buyers outside the local market. Kurdish contractor Kar Group said it has completed 23 percent of the first 48-mile (77-kilometer) section of the line north to the border, though Turkey hasn’t said publicly it will take the oil.” Iraq’s Kurds, who historically have resisted control by Arab-dominated central governments, are charting a course to independently develop oil reserves that the Kurdistan Regional Government calculates at 45 billion barrels -- larger than BP’s estimate for the U.S. or Nigeria, Africa’s biggest producer.” DNO International ASA (DNO) is among companies pumping crude at Kurdish fields that have one main export route, the central government’s pipeline from the city of Kirkuk in northern Iraq to the Mediterranean port of Ceyhan, Turkey. A dispute over oil contracts and revenue-sharing prompted Kurdish authorities to halt flows into this network on April 1. Producers now must sell their oil locally or send small loads by truck into Turkey. The pipeline plan “seems quite provocative,” Ivor Pether, a fund manager at Royal London Asset Management which oversees $60 billion of securities, said in a June 26 e-mail.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-29/tony-hayward-loads-trucks-with-kurdish-oil-awaiting-pipe-energy.html

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  5. Duly note that the Iraq pipeline linking to Turkey has come under repeated attack, again this past week
    2012 attack: http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/turkey-iraq-oil-pipeline-explodes-officials-blame-pkk-1.452568
    2013 attack: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/20/284571/explosion-hits-iraqturkey-oil-pipeline/
    2013 3rd time: http://www.iraq-businessnews.com/2013/02/27/fuel-pipeline-attacked-for-3rd-time/


    While all this is occurring the Iranians have launched the Syria pipeline project which may in fact be the catalyst that triggers some form of incremental Iran action - the US military brass out this morning saying sanctions aren't working and Kerry said timeline isn't infinite.
    http://www.rferl.org/content/united-states-iran-mattis-nuclear-/24920468.html
    http://en.apa.az/news/184789


    Note that Turkey alleged last month that the Israelis have approached them about linking up their pipelines to supply Europe (which follows Israel/Cyprus and Greece overtures).
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/israel-offers-to-lay-a-gas-pipeline-to-turkey.aspx?pageID=238&nID=41157&NewsCatID=348


    Meanwhile, Netanyahu is out saying the red line is drawing nearer. He still hasn't been able to form a government. The Israelis have started drilling in Golan as the land grab continues

    Quite curiously, the US role in Syria seems to be unfolding by the day. Here is Kerry today responding to the reports of US training - the evolution has gone form noncombat telecom equipment to White House rejected arming the rebels to Saudi equipping the rebels via Croatia (the iron of Croatia isn’t lost given its preponderant religion) to rogue Libya weapons channeling training to commandos. “Kerry says ‘a lot of countries’ training Syria rebels & American, French and British instructors are providing training to Syrian rebels at a camp in the Jordanian desert.”
    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/03/06/269950.html
    http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_03_06/Syrian-insurgents-training-at-Assad-s-citadel/
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-bound-libyan-missiles-intercepted/


    Those Jordan training bases are no doubt on the Syrian border which also happens to border the Anbar province which is where the protests against Maliki are being fomented. Meanwhile Jordan is playing nice with turkey
    Jordan welcomes 'big brother' Turkey’s return to Middle East.
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/jordan-welcomes-big-brother-turkeys-return-to-middle-east.aspx?pageID=238&nID=41854&NewsCatID=352

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    1. correction that was syrian troops killed rather than iraqi...the important point being the presence of Syrian troops there in the first p[lace. It may have something to do with the presence of US/UK/French trainers in Jordan training camps.

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  6. thank you anonymous linkie person :)
    I will be back to read all the goodies you have left

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  7. I'm getting through it in small chunks. Interesting... but - is it just my tinnitus or is that the faint sound of an alarm bell in my head?

    " Bavarian Illuminati as intellectual group fighting against organic unity and divine right of kings in Europe."
    This reminds me of a meme being planted by the mysterious armageddonconspiracy.co.uk (Illumination: the Secret Religion - The Plot to Kill God) who claim to be The Illuminatti in its current form and who are in fact the much maligned good guys fighting the monarchical/theocratic 'Old World Order'. Their website is fascinating, but be on your guard. Their writings, which are extensive, reveal a distinctly supremacist mindset.

    It strikes me that the guys in the video are happy talking about the Illuminatti, the Freemasons, Royal Bloodlines, the Roman Catholic Church, the Jesuits, the Milner Roundtable etc but I didn't notice any mention of the Cabbalists or Jews, or for that matter the Gnostic Churches who were major players at the time under discussion.

    Regarding the 'Devine Right of Kings' is it not interesting to ponder that our current king in waiting, Prince Charles, likes to boast that his bloodline goes back to David and it is known that he was circumcised by a Jewish Mohel (Rabbi Jacob Snowman).

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    1. Hey Freethinker
      Hmmm...
      perhaps it just isn't relevant to the discussion taking place?
      I don't know?
      When you get the references there is mention of the Rothschild clan in a couple of them
      I listened twice and it didn't set any bells off for myself, speaking personally, of course.
      When I can.. I will most certainly give it another listen
      right now I am happily listening to rir interviews
      ;)

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    2. Pen, check out that link I left - very illuminating.

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    3. armageddonconspiracy.co.uk

      this link?

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    4. If so, I just spent a few minutes reading and I am getting a very 'tribal' feeling from some of the material

      It also reads like a political platform..

      "Only extremely rich right wing people play a central role in the market
      The market has no left wing players and rejects all left wing ideas.

      I don't know? I think the 'market' has all sorts of left wing ideas
      like welfare.. for the rich
      subsidies for the corporations


      then this "The Jews, as a people"
      since they aren't a people, unless one wants to call them Israeli's which would make them a nationality

      "Anti-Semitism is disgraceful and must be condemned

      The anti-semitism meme is only sellable if one believe the "people" meme
      But even then anti-semetism means anti semetic language
      Which would also include the arabs
      Therefore anti-semitism as a discriminatory descriptor is empty

      If the Jews were a people the term of discrimination would not be anti-semitism

      I am not digging this website at all
      But, am not sure how it is related to the talk on the two versions of the Trivium?

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    5. "But, am not sure how it is related to the talk on the two versions of the Trivium?"

      I was responding to your earlier note-
      50." Bavarian Illuminati as intellectual group fighting against organic unity and divine right of kings in Europe."

      I thought I was clear enough. When I see 2 apparently disparate groups planting the same (in my view false) meme then my suspicions are raised. Feel free to disagree. What you say about that site is true but it goes much further and deeper. Maybe its too 'out-there' to seem relevant to you.

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    6. I see

      reference point number 50.
      I am going to have to go back and relisten to the context this information is being presented as

      Perhaps this is the way the Bavarian Illuminati presented themselves?
      Perhaps this is the way history is choosing to present the Bavarian Illuminati?
      And this is how this is all being referenced?
      I don't know?

      However, since I have been picking away at Trivium learning and comprehension
      I found the talk, where these two attempted to differentiate between the two trivium learning methods interesting

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    7. "I found the talk, where these two attempted to differentiate between the two trivium learning methods interesting"
      I'll have another listen to that.

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