Tuesday, May 21, 2013

Syria: Turkeys' military escapades; Israeli jeep enters Syrian territory & more

Yes, it's going to be a long one. But worth reading. I have had much catching up to do
May as well get started...................

Let’s take a gander at Turkey and it’s involvement as NATO’s ninny in destroying Syria
The Turkish people aren’t to pleased: Protesters oppose Turkey's support for Syrian rebels in the civil war
Three cheers for the Turkish people!!

Brief rant:
Time to end that belief in government.... Government serves no one but itself and it’s masters..It is a self perpetuating, leech on society. Government is part of the illusion of choice and freedom.
Pop the illusory bubble.
Non-participation is the way
Rant complete.


Turkey has been busy.

According to a comment left by a person privy to local happenings in Turkey, Erdogan may have moved some troops into Syria after the false flag bombing.  Then moved them back. What to make of that?  
Testing the waters?  Gauging the response? Most likely!
Israel, looks to have engaged in the same type of activity today. Keep reading and you will get to that news, for now we are talking about Turkey.

Came across an interesting pdf regarding Turkey’s army. It’s strengths.  And weak points.


Looked worth reading. So, I did. Just 3 pages. A brief overview is all. Sheds a bit of light on the Turkish Army. The conclusion is that Turkey’s military is not up to par and is most likely weaker then Syria’s....interesting.Turkey might be able to make a small incursion into Syria and perhaps secure some territory ,but, not without NATO support

Quoting:

Turkey is unlikely to be interested in a general invasion of Syria. Rather, Ankara’s strategy is
likely to be aimed at getting forces to the border, conducting a limited incursion or incursions, and securing captured territory with the aim of providing humanitarian safe havens. 
However, to do this risks open conflict with Syria, and in making such a move, Ank ra would want to secure the support – tacit or otherwise – of its NATO an Arab League allies in an attempt to portray any intervention in as passive a way as possible.
This would be unlikely to assuage Syrian anger at what would be a breach of its territorial sovereignty. It therefore remains difficult to see any form of military intervention in Syria being restricted in the way that Turkey and its allies undoubt edly hope and could actually rapidly escalate to a wider regional conflict
(April 2012)
It seems the Turkish people have solid reasons for being angry with Erdogan and the hole he has dug and continues to dig for the country and the people resident in Turkey. He is putting many, many lives at risk to fight brother against brother.

-We are already aware that  Syria had taken control of a strategic town near Jordan: Khirbet Ghazaleh
-It looks as if Syrian Army has also taken control of another strategic town near Lebanon Syrian government troops have taken control of al-Qusayr, a small but important town near the Lebanese border
This is a town that was being used as a supply route for NATO’s mercs. This is also the town where an Israeli tank was seized

Thanks to everyone who left that news :)
Israel and Syria exchange fire. Today. In the Golan Heights.

A cross-border exchange of fire in the Golan Heights between the Israeli and Syrian armies early on Tuesday triggered a claim by the Damascus regime that a jeep manned by Israeli troops had entered Syrian territory and was destroyed.

The Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) denied the claim, saying shots were deliberately fired at a patrol inside the Israeli-controlled the Golan Heights, causing minor damage and no injuries. "In response, IDF forces returned precise fire at the source and reported a direct hit," it said.

Smart money says Israel tested the waters. And they will try again. They have been upping the ante for quite some time now. Therefore, based on all that has gone on and the present agendas and aims,  the Syrian version is credible and the Israeli version is not credible.


UN: Drop in Syrians Reaching Jordan, Unclear Why

What “Syrians” are we referring to here? Are we talking ‘rebels’ being unable to cross back into Jordan?
Or, here is a thought regarding regular Syrians who have been forced to flee due to NATO merc's laying seige to their homes. Perhaps with Syrian Army taking back towns from NATO mercs the real, actual, Syrian people feel safe and feel no need to flee from the murderous onslaught of NATO mercenary terrorists?It is possible. Why would you leave your home if you no longer have to?

One last news article, before wrapping this post up for today. I read this one yesterday and found it most interesting.
How Syria’s Rebels Aren’t Winning the War: The Anatomy of a Battle


On the night of April 13 things changed — largely because of an act of subterfuge from (Syrian Army)  government soldiers.

 The eastern half of Sahyan was in rebel hands, the western in the regime’s. Government soldiers, under cover of darkness, surrounded eastern Sahyan. They had changed out of their uniforms and had dressed into the mismatched civilian and military garb of many rebel fighters, rebel commanders tell TIME. Some even wore the black headbands proclaiming “There is no God but God” that some rebels wear. “The revolutionaries saw them, and thought they were of them, another group,” Suleiman says. “They were all gunned down, everybody in eastern Sahyan was killed, some 40 or 50 men.” In the Syrian war, the loss of that many fighters in one place represents a significant blow to any rebel unit.

The disguised loyalists continued up the road toward Babuleen, a small rebel-held town just a few kilometers from Heesh, where they waited until dawn, before setting up a similar ambush. “All told we lost between 100 to 107 martyrs,” Suleiman says. “I don’t know how many died from the army, but the fight continued for three or four hours.”

By April 15, the army had taken control of Babuleen, and more crucially, had retaken the road around Heesh, breaking the siege on Wadi Deif and allowing reinforcements to reach Zahlanee, Hamidiyeh and other smaller checkpoints. (The eastern part of Heesh is now inaccessible to the rebels. Their trenches are exposed to newly established nearby army positions that are on higher ground.)


I was taken, after reading this article entirely, not just with  the bravery of these men in defending their home and families, but, also the adaptability of these soldiers. (Remember I am not a military strategist so situations such as this just don't occur to me)
And the loyalty to their home land and people was obvious.
So much for the tales of mass defections and the Syrian army disintegrating that was being promoted so long ago.

The Syrian people are a brave stalwart lot, fighting off their NATO imperialists.

13 comments:

  1. Hi penny
    This could be false but if true it could explain why Israel is stirring things up in the golan.
    Several syrian sites are commenting that after qusayr fell, the town just taken by the syrian army, a large security force descended on the town. Army personnel have been ordered out and several special security vehicles were seen taking several men away under cover. Locals have suggested these were Israeli and French officers who were in the town when it fell. Need time to get collaboration, will let you know.

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    1. If you can find anything more out about this situation let us know?
      It would be much appreciated
      Judging by today's news attempts to take back the town are going to be made and this town is key
      Therefore if we have foreign personnel present???? This could end up being one hell of a battle

      How involved is Hezbollah in this battle, it is really hard to gauge from the msm?

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  2. Penny

    Nice job.

    I also doubt Turkey would risk a full scale invasion of Syria without direct NATO support. Israel I'm less sure about since they have guaranteed American back-up for anything they do, and if they attack, the Americans will come running to their aide.

    Last article (from Time) I wouldn't give much weight to. It's sourced to the terrorist pr people and likely all made up. Most of what comes from those sources is propaganda rubbish. The Syrian army is killing off these terrorists with a loss ratio of less than 10 to 1 with regular tactics. The life expectancy of an Israeli terrorist in Syria is probably not very long now. Israel's terrorists are given training on how to terrorise civilian populations, not fight a regular army, so such a consistently poor showing is to be expected.

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  3. Major haul of foreign terrorist handlers and equipment:

    FIRST POST - MAY 21, 2013 - SYRIAN ARMY CAPTURES FOREIGN SPY-OFFICERS INSIDE AL-QUSAYR

    http://syrianperspective.blogspot.de/2013/05/first-post-may-21-2013-syrian-army.html?m=1

    "Syrian Army officers, fumigators and MI agents have now taken control of several command-and-control centers in the central zone of the city. What they found was unbelievable. Besides reams of incriminating documents conclusively demonstrating the connivance of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Lebanese Forces, the Mustaqbal Movement, Turkey, France, the United States and Britain, 76 foreign officers were apprehended in several tunnels as they cowered like frightened moles awaiting the inevitable claws of the vengeful wolf. The nationalities told the whole story. SyrPer has confirmed that the Al-Manaar report, published today in Lebanon is accurate but not exhaustive. Wael has received information that French intelligence officers who spoke North African Arabic; "Israeli" agents ("katsas"), operatives from Sameer Ja'ja's Lebanese Forces who were trained in the Zionist Entity and who spoke Modern European Settler Hebrew, Turkish agents working for the MIT, spies and gun-smugglers who were paid by Sa'ad Hariri, were all CAPTURED ALIVE. In addition to this, our readers will be delighted to know that several agents from Saudi Arabia and Qatar were also found and are warbling as we write.

    Wael can only speculate as to why these agents were found. But SyrPer believes that the "concept" which explained the rat belief in the Syrian Army's planned delay of the invasion of Al-Qusayr must have played a role. Again, we must also remember that the SAA closed off entry and exit routes in and out of Lebanon. It may be that these foreign terrorists and spies were simply unable to get out.

    Found among the foreign agents and terrorists were "very advanced satellite communication devices with ultra- sophisticated encoding mechanisms"; SAA sappers found stores of C-4 explosives; millions of Saudi and Qatari riyaals, and American dollars."

    From the sound of this, this is one time the various foreign spooks and officers were not all able to abscond from the scene of the crimes. Should prove very rewarding for Syria.

    And a former supporter of the zionist war on Syria is now a condemner:

    SECOND POST - MAY 21, 2013

    http://syrianperspective.blogspot.de/2013/05/second-post-may-21-2013-multi-pronged.html?m=1

    "PRINCE FATSO'S DAUGHTER, HIND BINT HAMAD BIN KHALIFA, IS NOT PIMPING FOR JIHAD ANY MORE. SHE HAS CONDEMNED HER FATHER FOR HIS SUPPORT OF SLAUGHTER IN SYRIA. ACCORDING TO JUHAYNA NEWS, THIS IS WHAT SHE SAID AS TRANSLATED BY YOUR EDITOR, ZIAD:

    "My father supported the revolution in Syria because of his belief that what was taking place there was a demand of the people. But, what we witness today is just the opposite of that. I saw a video clip which was dissseminated by the "fighters" in which they were eating the hearts of their flesh and blood. These are not the scenes of those demanding freedom, but crimes against the Syrian people." She continued to say: "I criticize the interference by the Saudis there and those who sanctioned the killing of Syrian citizens. I received a video clip also showing a Saudi executing 12 citizens whom they said were soldiers. In my opinion this is what transformed the revolution from one of the people to one of terrorism".

    That's gotta hurt... ;)

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    1. I wonder if SA is saving it's own neck here?

      Thanks for that bot tak

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  4. The Janes comparison of Syrian and Turkish militaries was a useful. Being a year old, some new developments have taken place that need to be mentioned. But first this statement, which shows the authors are making a serious effort.

    "Syria might be better trained
    than Turkey in CBRN warfare, which could
    cause high numbers of Turkish and civilian
    casualties, although it is unlikely Syria would
    choose to use such systems."

    There are I would say two major areas I would disagree with the article. In the equipment, they compare weapon systems, stressing how some are better. But with things like armour, artillery, SS rocketry, the basic army equipment, the differences between the two country's equipment is not great. Both would be adequate to fight against the other. For example, Syrian MBTs are more than capable of seeing off their Turkish opponent MBTs and vice versa.

    The second area is troop experience and morale. The authors didn't really go into this aspect, but should Turkey and Syria engage in open warfare, these would be the top determinants of the outcome. Most Turkish troops have little experience of real warfare. Syrians have built up quite a bit of experience and are at a great advantage in that aspect. It is also likely that morale in the Turkish military is low. Both due to the unpopularity of war against Syria in Turkey, and because of rivalry between Erdogan's people and the military. Syrian military morale appears to be quite healthy.

    Because of these factors, I think if Turkey attacked alone, they probably wouldn't gain much ground before things started going badly for them, both from rebellion inside Turkey, and from better quality Syrian soldiery.

    If the war turns to a zionist invasion, then I don't think Turkey would be sent in alone. Unless it was decided to kill the Turks off (possible, the zionists encouraged Iraq to attack Iran to weaken both countries). The Europeans don't seem to be all that hot to do another Iraq or Afghanistan, so I'm guessing NATO help would probably be minimal. America maybe, but there is no enthusiasm for it in the country (need major false flag). So it looks like Israel would be the most likely partner in crime. I think the Israeli military would be a greater threat to Syria than the Turks.

    With both Israel and Turkey attacking Syria at the same time, Turkey going for the northern and eastern, with Israel invading the southern regions and Lebanon, Syria would be in a lot of trouble. They don't have the forces to fight on two fronts, while at the same time deal with the remainders of Israel's terrorism ops.

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    1. "With both Israel and Turkey attacking Syria at the same time, Turkey going for the northern and eastern, with Israel invading the southern regions and Lebanon, Syria would be in a lot of trouble."

      This is exactly a scenario I have spoken of repeatedly as the most plausible scenario
      I would involve Lebanon at the same time, How much of this is playing into Syria taking the hotly debated town at the border

      We seem to be looking at a defining battle.

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    2. Still sounds suicidal. Russia, Syria, and Iran have a lot of missiles.

      Paul

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  5. DOCUMENTS SEIZED AT AL-QUSAYR WILL EXPOSE PRINCE OF QATAR AND KING ABDULLAH OF SAUDIA ARABIA.
    Part of channel(s): Syria (current event)
    SYRIAN PERSPECTIVE Affirms the capture of over 76 foreign agents from Turkey, France, Lebanon, Israel.


    http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/20/media20/2013/May/21/LiveLeak-dot-com-5ba924461ca9-57085.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bad19f4c4cd8d1f860&ec_rate=200&http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/20/media20/2013/May/21/LiveLeak-dot-com-5ba924461ca9-57085.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bad19f4c4cd8d1f860&ec_rate=200

    An SAA sharpshooter waits for a spotter in Barzeh Town.

    URGENT: Syrian Army officers, fumigators and MI agents have now taken control of several command-and-control centress in the central zone of the city.

    What they found was unbelievable.

    Besides reams of incriminating documents conclusively demonstrating the connivance of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Lebanese Forces, the Mustaqbal Movement, Turkey, France, the United States and Britain, 76 foreign officers were apprehended in several tunnels as they cowered like frightened moles.

    The nationalities told the whole story. SyrPer has confirmed that the Al-Manaar report, published today in Lebanon is accurate but not exhaustive.

    Wael has received information that French intelligence officers who spoke North African Arabic; "Israeli" agents ("katsas"), operatives from Sameer Ja'ja's Lebanese Forces who were trained in Israel and who spoke Modern European Settler Hebrew, Turkish agents working for the MIT, spies and gun-smugglers who were paid by Sa'ad Hariri, were all CAPTURED ALIVE.

    In addition to this, our readers will be delighted to know that several agents from Saudi Arabia and Qatar were also found and are under interrogation as we write.

    Wael can only speculate as to why these agents were found.

    But SyrPer believes that the rebels belief of the Syrian Army's planned delay of the invasion of Al-Qusayr must have played a role. Again, we must also remember that the SAA closed off entry and exit routes in and out of Lebanon. It may be that these foreign terrorists and spies were trapped and were simply unable to get out.

    Found among the foreign agents and terrorists were "very advanced satellite communication devices with ultra- sophisticated encoding mechanisms"; SAA sappers found stores of C-4 explosives; millions of Saudi and Qatari riyaals, and American dollars.

    THIS IS AN UNFOLDING STORY THAT MIGHT BE KEPT UNDER WRAPS BY MOD AND MI. WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO GET MORE INTEL ABOUT THIS. ZAF
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b9_1369167611

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    1. brian, keep me in the loop please
      I can't be all places at once
      thanks so much

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  6. DAUGHTER OF EMIR OF QATAR MAKES EXPLOSIVE STATEMENT AGAINST HER FATHER AND QATAR’S INTERVENTION IN SYRIA !!
    Posted on21 May 2013.
    هند ابنة امير قطر تفجر القنبلة: «ابي دعم الارهابيين في سوريا تحت اسم الثورة»
    BY: Fatima Madani
    Hind, the daughter of the Emir of Qatar Hamad Al-Thani, has made sharp criticisms describing on her personal Twitter account the intervention of the State of Qatar in Syrian affairs, as scandalous to the History of the State of Qatar ..

    Stating, “My father supports the Syrian Revolution with the belief that what is happening there are the demands of the people, but what we see today is otherwise terrorism, and I have watched a video clip showing fighters eating the hearts of compatriots, these scenes are not for demanding freedom but are crimes against the Syrian people.”
    She added, “I criticize the intervention of Saudi fighters there that were given permission, for them to kill and commit the execution of Syrian citizens, I have also received a video clip which shows a Saudi citizen performing the execution of 21 Syrian citizens saying they were soldiers, and in my view, this is what transforms the revolution, from the revolution the people, to the revolution of Terrorists.” ~
    etc
    http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/daughter-of-emir-of-qatar-makes.html

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  7. According to a comment left by a person privy to local happenings in Turkey, Erdogan may have moved some troops into Syria after the false flag bombing. Then moved them back. What to make of that?
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    what if he had moved his troops to march off a cliff? would they obey or revolt? When will soldiers cease from obeying criminal orders?

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    1. When will soldiers cease from obeying criminal orders?

      When we stop participating in elections and allowing ourselves to be lead off the cliff

      They are not the only ones following criminal edicts.
      Many of us are also, unwittingly

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