Friday, July 26, 2013

The Ugly, Torturous & Hypocritical US Government

U.S. Assures Russia Snowden Will Not Face Death Penalty
 Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said in a letter sent to the Russian minister of justice this week that the United States would not seek the death penalty against Edward J. Snowden

The letter also offered reassurances that the United States would not torture Mr. Snowden

What does this letter from Eric Holder say to the reader and the entire world about the US?
As a nation? As an ideal?  As a self proclaimed bringer of democracy?
A beacon of human rights the world over?
Having a ‘Responsibility to Protect”?  (R2P)

What this letter says, loudly and clearly, that all those concepts are false.
They are lies. They are propaganda talking points.
While reading this piece from NYT’s I thought how very, very IRONIC.
But will most of the usual readers from NYT's realize this?
 Doesn’t the US castigate other nations for allegedly resorting to  torture?
Yes, the US does.
But torture was OK with Obama when it came to Libyan leader Gaddafi
In fact, for Obama,  the tortured death of Gadaffi should serve as a warning to others......
Indeed the US loves torture when it serves their purpose

And doesn’t Assad have to go because his regime ‘tortures’?. Much of it on behalf of the US when they tried to toady up to the US in the past. But now that all the knives are out for Assad and Syria is to be destroyed, now,  torture is bad in the opinion of the US. Obama says Assad using ‘torture, corruption and terror’
Except when done to Gaddaffi, by the NATO Islamist army, then it is a 'warning to others"?

 The US tortures and likes torture when it is undertaken to advance their agenda. Other then that it is bad.
 And the US wields the death penalty like the Grim Reaper wields a sickle.

“We believe these assurances eliminate these asserted grounds for Mr. Snowden’s claim that he should be treated as a refugee or granted asylum, temporary or otherwise,” Mr. Holder said in the letter, which was sent to Justice Minister Aleksandr V. Konovalov.

Yes, that’s right. The letter is written to alleged human rights abuser par excellence, according to the US, that is. The letter is written To Russia’s Justice Minister.

 Unbelievable hubris

The US is a country that kills on a massive scale, from it’s inception to it’s present day
And it tortures. If the US does not torture individuals itself, in it’s extensive prison system, foreign and domestic. It 'encourages'  many other nations to do the dirty deeds on their behalf.
This disconnect between reality and illusion results in delusion.

A copy of the letter was provided to The New York Times on Friday by a Justice Department official, in response to questions about communications between the United States and Russian governments about Mr. Snowden’s fate.

The charges Mr. Snowden faces in the United States do not carry the death penalty, the letter said, adding that the United States would not seek the death penalty “even if Mr. Snowden were charged with additional death penalty-eligible crimes.

What does that quoted section really mean?
““even if Mr. Snowden were charged with additional death penalty-eligible crimes”
Being charged means nothing. It is being convicted that counts So is the US implying they would resort to some sort of kangaroo court to deal with Snowden?

Perhaps, Snowden can be tried in the Court of King Obama, Nobel Peace Prize winner..


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  1. Arguably, the West won the cold war because they were more successful than the former Soviet Union at exploiting their subjects.

    1. Anon that is a very good point.
      I hadn't thought about it in that light

    2. One of the greatest illusions ever placed into the minds of people is that the cold war was real. The international elites had control of both sides and it was always agreed to stay out of the others sphere of control. The real threat came from the fact that most of the players in the game, paranoid from propaganda, did not know it was an illusion.

    3. Anonymous July 27, 2013 at 4:56 AM

      Posner made that argument back in the 90's. I agree. The USSR failed at what the Israeli-Americans succeeded at, getting their own populations to enthusiastically support their own servitude and powerlessness.

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  2. Bush on steroids=Obama. Why are they continuing to pretend otherwise? (Oh, they're not.) Why are we believing them? (cuz we're stupid)

    Why does this propaganda work on humans? We wake up with a propaganda enema. WTF?

    Disgusting. Disgusting.

    1. sorry, I missed you earlier tsisageya

      Bush on steroids definitely equals Obama- but , he smiles nicer and speaks sweeter then that 'good ol boy' bush


    1. Viktor Bout?

      I had a video up or linked too here.. his arms deal.
      I think?
      gotta wrack my brain on this one
      and if Kaspi is around.... can you help?

  4. Robles has some interesting things to say about war criminal Holder and his letter:

    Holder’s desperate letter proves Mr. Snowden is in grave danger

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    1. I read his article, quite interesting
      thanks bot tak

    2. Penny

      You might also find what Shamir has to say interesting. He's pretty good at explaining the different Russian sides and pointing out things not generally known in the west about Russia.

      Snowden in Moscow

      My own take is that Snowden is being used by Israel-America to further their own ends. What these are, I'm not clear on, or even if Snowden originally intended it or was duped (by Mossad/Guardian) after he decided to leak info. Snowden's leaks have hurt American interests around the world with the people and some governments (nobody trusts or likes the sods anymore), but in the USA, the zionist media has managed to keep Americans happy with being the targets of perverted zionazi/nazi voyeurs. There is also the political football aspect - the propaganda use of Snowden in Russia as an excuse for zionazia to do other things relating to Russia.

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  5. Holder did not specify whether he meant there would be no torture as defined by international law...OR whether it would be no torture as defined by John Yoo and his ilk in the Bush/Cheney administration (now seemingly seamlessly being carried over into the Obama administration, with some weasel wording here and there).



  6. hey jawbone

    weasel words, indeed.
    Nor did Holder say, Snowden will not die by 'misadventure'
    Or anything else like that?

    Yes, what was that other label for torture? Was it extraordinary rendition?
    Obama allegedly opposes that. But, not really

    1. and what is the word of any US official worth anyway? Obama promised to close Guantanamo, when? And NATO "would not move one inch to the East"!

      I doubt the Russians would even believe Obama if he said he was an American citizen!