Tuesday, August 27, 2013

Syrian strikes sooner rather then later: Israeli intel lights the way. Iran?


I have been thinking about Syria in terms of the the situation with Iran especially the attack that Israel so urgently wants to make against Iran. Of course, this is also on the minds of Israeli leaders.
Would Israel take the opportunity, under cover of the strikes from the US/UK etc, to strike at Iran? I kind of doubt it myself, but, it is worth considering.
So will Israel strike Iran? We have talked that subject on a number of occasions.
For Israel, US response on Syria may be harbinger for Iran
In Jerusalem, Washington’s resolve in Syria is seen as a crucial litmus test for its readiness to confront another looming Mideast showdown over unconventional weapons.

The prospect of a nuclear Iran is viewed with much greater concern in Israel, though Obama has declined to establish any similar red lines even as he has sought to assure Israel that he is not making empty threats about preventing Iran’s acquisition of a nuclear weapon.

American action in Syria might be enough to persuade Netanyahu the Americans are serious about Iran, Zisser said. But Netanyahu’s comments at his weekly cabinet meeting on Sunday suggested that Israel is prepared to take action on its own.

“The most dangerous regimes in the world must not be allowed to possess the most dangerous weapons in the world,” Netanyahu said. “Our finger must always be on the pulse. Ours is a responsible finger and if necessary, it will also be on the trigger.”
Israel has  a 'responsible finger' on the trigger? We would have to define responsible wouldn't we? Or perhaps redefine it?

What else makes me think that Israel may take an opportunity to strike Iran. This news has me wondering?
  Turkey may open İncirlik base upon NATO decision. If the US and company are going to launch everything from the Mediterranean why would they need the Turkish base? Any one?
And Syria...

The west tells Syrian opposition to expect strike within days
According to sources  who were at a meeting between envoys and the Syrian coalition

    Aim of military strike would be to deter further use of chemical weapons
    Opposition has suggested list of potential targets
    Western powers advise Syrian opposition to prepare for Geneva talks despite impending attack

The attack according to this article will last a couple of days
The timing of such an attack, which would probably last no more than two days and involve sea-launched cruise missiles — or, possibly, long-range bombers — striking military targets not directly related to Syria’s chemical weapons arsenal, would be dependent on three factors: completion of an intelligence report assessing Syrian government culpability in last week’s alleged chemical attack; ongoing consultation with allies and Congress; and determination of a justification under international law.

There is of course no justification under international law, but, as mentioned yesterday the “Obama administration has been very creative” in that department

Oh and guess which nation is providing ‘evidence’ about the chemical attack? Israeli intelligence seen as central to US case against Syria. Yup, Israeli ‘intelligence’ That should say it all.

While Israel would almost certainly take no direct part in a military strike, Israeli intelligence information is widely believed to have played a central role in enabling the US’s adamant conviction that Assad’s regime fired chemical weapons

Supposedly, evidence  regarding the attacks is to be presented today, Tuesday August 27/08.
US to present evidence Tuesday ahead of Syria strike

Provided by Israel as already mentioned. I suspect immediately following this presentation the strikes will begin. And should end before the week-end. If all the information from the main stream media is correct?
Two administration officials said the US was expected to make public a more formal determination of chemical weapons use on Tuesday, with an announcement of Obama’s response likely to follow quickly. The officials insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the internal deliberations.

US action will last only one or two days and originate from American vessels already stationed in the eastern Mediterranean, the Washington Post report said, but won’t take place before the completion of a detailed intelligence assessment and an analysis of the legality of such a move, and before US allies and Congress are consulted.
** I actually do not believe the tripe about the analysis of legality.  The US and Israel care not for legality or international law or human beings for that matter. There disdain for all that and more has been demonstrated abundantly on numerous previous occasions. The US will use the Kosovo meme and that will be that. At least for now, that is how I see this playing out.
On Saturday, a leading German news magazine reported that Israeli intelligence had intercepted Syrian officials discussing the chemical strike (created intelligence?)and that the communications proved that the Assad government was behind the use of nonconventional weapons.

An Israeli team, headed by outgoing National Security Adviser Yaakov Amidror, was in Washington Monday for security consultations,( or to give the orders?) with a special emphasis placed on Syria and the consequences and details of a potential US strike. Both Syrian and Iranian officials threatened Monday that if such a strike were to take place, Israel would be targeted in response.       

UPDATE BEGINS: Missile strikes against Syria could be launched 'as early as Thursday'

NBC News is reporting that senior US officials said Tuesday that strikes against Syria could start "as early as Thursday." However, with the team of UN chemical weapons inspectors in Syria scheduled to leave the country on Sunday, questions are being asked whether the attacks could start before Sunday.
The officials said the strikes will last three days and that the aim is not to degrade the Syrian Army's military capabilities but to send a strong signal to Bashar al-Assad that the "international community" would not tolerate chemical weapons use.
  First it was two days and now it is three days.


NATO Secretary General rejects western military role in Syria

 Clearly NATO leadership has heard from Russia/China regarding an attack on Syria. Possibly, Germany is not so hot on the idea?


  1. UK parliament is being recalled on Thursday.

    While not having a immediate bearing this is a sign of what's to come - both Britain and USA have National Service Bills/Acts in progress -

    1. ty freethinker
      and thanks for mentioning that again
      the draft? will it fly?
      that should get the lazy masses off their asses

  2. Once, I thought they would wait september to respect an apparent international legality. May be will it be earlier...
    Also, what investigators will find and if it is the djihadists as I think? The situation would be very strange.
    One must remember the saudiqaida did'nt hesitate to kill 3000 civlians, so I don't think they care about syrian civlians lives.

    1. Pour la Syrie

      'they' Nato/Israel and the nutter elites don't give a hoot about civilians in syria or their own nations

  3. Thank you for your efforts Penny and keep it up!

    I believe Obombah and Kerry take their Israeli marching orders very seriously but not to the point of risking a WW3 for them, the squatter state and their amen corner in the US may be in a perpetual Masada mode, but US is not . At least that's what I like to believe. After hearing this Scull & Bones character out (Look at that chin, they must have thought of him when they invented the quagmire character in Family Guy...) ,i come to think of it as a "limited strike" kind of thing, no? They want to set back Syria's successes on the battlefront and cripple SAA and send in more merc´s in order to keep it cooking long enough for the Zionists to feel comfortable (and grab more land). If the supposed strike in the making lasts longer than ,say, two days will inevitably involve Iran (an attack on Syria is an attack on us). They are not going to sit and wait to be next and most certainly the Russians would provide even more assistance then they already do, they do got s-300´s and other state-of-the-art goodies on their armada. Today al Moallem promised that Syria will strike back should it be attacked and if some hypersonic Yakhont´s do their job and sink an American vessel and missiles starts raining down on the settler state from all directions (Hamas seems to be back from it´s MB adventure and Hezbollah will be on), then what? It´s not just like Iraq all over again it´s Georgia too, US was absolutely sure that Russia would not intervene...


    1. i come to think of it as a "limited strike" kind of thing, no? They want to set back Syria's successes on the battlefront and cripple SAA and send in more merc´s in order to keep it cooking long enough for the Zionists to feel comfortable (and grab more land).

      Mikhas as of this moment you and I are on the same page

  4. Dam
    Got some info links from MoA this am, and looked at a few news sites.

    Tony of Land Destroyer has a good article about "limited strikes' and what it really means.
    Reuters: US to Strike Syria Before UN Evidence Collected And the real meaning of "limited strikes" http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2013/08/reuters-us-to-strike-syria-before-un.html

    The 'opposition' is indeed desperate, MoA has article abt recruiting teenagers by force from refugee camps. Pretty disgusting stuff imho

    But, we know who /and the mentality. isreal will stoop to any level- jews have no shame.

    Headed outdoors-a bit cooler and need to blow the cob webs out for awhile. I'm great at strategy building when pulling weeds ;^)


    1. Pulling weeds is very therapeutic
      No War With Syria - I agree Karin

  5. “The most dangerous regimes in the world must not be allowed to possess the most dangerous weapons in the world,” Netanyahu said.

    Is that THE most ironic statement ever made?

    We already have a timescale for taking out all of Syrias air defences, put at seven days. All we need now is for some bozo to say, "It'll all be over by Christmas."

    At this time I feel nothing but despair for Syria. Where are the anti-war agitators? Where are the protests? Why do the sheeple of the West barely register their concern?

    I believe that Russia will ultimately let their Syrian allies down. Just as they will with Iran.

    Very sad days to come.

    1. I believe that Russia will ultimately let their Syrian allies down. Just as they will with Iran.

      If Russia does then their end is near.
      Keep in mind they stepped up with Georgia and they also stepped up in the Yugoslavia.
      So, right now I am leaning towards Russia tolerating only so much

  6. Hi penny
    All looks real desparate and war mongers are having a field day and Satan is taking on new renovations.
    So, are we going to see a war, a limited strike (no such thing in military action), or whatever the media hype is pushing? Nowadays you can't bet on anything, too many cooks out there and the joker has played this one perfectly.
    One thing has been ignored so far, Putin. This Russian master has yet to play his hand and he is known to wait until all is very clear before he makes a decisive move, so look out.
    There has been some rumours than Saudi intel chief bandar offers him 15 billion to stand down and with this guaranteed him also the use of tartous naval base for 99 years, that is if the rebels win of course, Putin is no fool, a bird in the hand kind of person. One thing for sure, Putin, Russia can't afford to lose this one, so I am watching and waiting, what is he up to?

    1. "Russia can't afford to lose this one, so I am watching and waiting, what is he up to?"

      Agreed. I do not think Russia can afford to lose this one.

      Personally, I have some trouble with the Bandar story.. so I stayed away from it.
      Yes the joker has done very well in this situation. And wonder if the cost of peace for Syria will include forfeiting Golan?

    2. Syria will never forfeit the golan, it is never going to happen.
      If I have to guess the,only thing on the table now is Assad. I strongly believe a last minute deal will involve Assad agreeing to step down as part of a long term solution and the Russians will back this .

  7. "Assad agreeing to step down as part of a long term solution and the Russians will back this"

    I don't know about that? With Assad the Russians have guarantees
    With anyone else???
    I don't know?

    I hope Syria never forfeits Golan, but.....
    the joker has moved in and built a wall.

  8. I listened to Cameron on BBC radio news on my way home from work. The lies aren't unusual or novel but still astounding. According to him, he 'knows Assad regime' did it and the chances of the opposition being responsible are, he says (against all the evidence and logic) "vanishingly small" - I think that was the phrase, or at least something to the same effect. What's more he is saying this is not for regime change. Seriously? Who is buying this poison?

    The feeling of déjà vu is so strong I feel like vomiting.

    I don't believe they do 'limited' anything. Their past performance robs me of any such hope. And as for the person here who says they won't risk a world war for the Zionist cause, I ask you why do you believe that? They did it before and all the signs are that they are taking us there again. People need to wake up and smell the stench of death and destruction before it is too late to object.

    And is there nobody in a position of influence to mobilise the people against this ? Are they all bought and paid for by the zionists?

    If the like of Alex Jones and David Icke are so bloody sure they are right then now must be the time for them to get out of their studios and put their money where they are so good at putting their mouths and their egos! The people need to get out on the streets. It's time to stop observing and start taking back control of our world!

    1. I cannot disagree with anything you have said.

      "It's time to stop observing and start taking back control of our world!"
      It is in fact overdue

  9. I have updated yet again
    "NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen sees no direct military role in Syria for the alliance and warned against any stepped-up western military involvement"

    Which means US/UK/France and Israel (covertly) will have to do this on their own

  10. Ah..That Danish prick Foggy RatMussen again, I wouldn´t believe a word.

    Especially not when the "surgical strikes" drags on and meets hard resistance. The cowards think they´v got Syria where they preferably want it, devastated and ruined, having bled it for two years but the joker is on and air defences perfectly intact.

    "hands up which of our jolly statesmen know what happened last time the Americans took on the Syrian government army? I bet they can’t remember. Well it happened in Lebanon when the US Air Force decided to bomb Syrian missiles in the Bekaa Valley on 4 December 1983. I recall this very well because I was here in Lebanon. An American A-6 fighter bomber was hit by a Syrian Strela missile – Russian made, naturally – and crash-landed in the Bekaa; its pilot, Mark Lange, was killed, its co-pilot, Robert Goodman, taken prisoner and freighted off to jail in Damascus. Jesse Jackson had to travel to Syria to get him back after almost a month amid many clichés about “ending the cycle of violence”. Another American plane – this time an A-7 – was also hit by Syrian fire but the pilot managed to eject over the Mediterranean where he was plucked from the water by a Lebanese fishing boat. His plane was also destroyed.

    Sure, we are told that it will be a short strike on Syria, in and out, a couple of days. That’s what Obama likes to think. But think Iran. Think Hezbollah. I rather suspect – if Obama does go ahead – that this one will run and run"


    1. Thanks for that info Mikhas

      I had no idea of the goings on at that time.

      I have my doubts about the few days strike
      updated to a few hours
      I get the feeling the US is trying to back out of this?
      It's weird, but, that is how it feels?
      What do you think?

    2. Got the same feeling but Obombah have cornered himself on this one. He must back up these outrageous threat's and accusations with something not just "Israeli" hearsay "evidence".

      Let´s assume the Russians who have been unloading god knows what in Tartus this week and as we speak, keeps a low kind of logistical and expertise providing profile (which I expect them to do unless a strike at some warehouses turns into a vile hunt for Dr.Assad, everything Syrian and the SAA).Obombah can somewhat expect that too but the SAA Iranians and Hezbollah can´t afford to let him get away with a "surgical" hit and run attack "just to make a point" now, could they? The Syrian response to the Turkish intrusion was remarkably swift. Unless his face-saving decision is to hand over more guns to the merc´s, Obombah is stuck and the events as they may unfold is predictable..


    3. I noticed they had been busy at the ports the past bit, now however the news is suggesting they too are evacuating...

      I suspected that Russia has been keeping watch on many things
      hence the satellite footage of the 'rebel' attack aka nato attack

      You think SAA, Hez and Iran will get their licks in, so to speak?

      Sigh, let's hope this stays limited, best case scenario though realistically that could get out of control quite easy

      One thing that has still got me worried is Israel taking an opportunity to strike Iran
      The leadership of that nation is as deluded as it's people
      so..... what I think and what Nuttyahoo are thinking are vastly different
      he might

  11. Foggy wants to keep his job. Now back on message-

    1. hey freethinker
      NaTO is meeting today, so it should be interesting

      and I got the boiling frogs video, so I am going to listen shortly
      ty, again! :)