Wednesday, October 30, 2013

Geneva II: Peace talk delay as big powers split

I think just about anyone could see this delay coming. Painfully obvious since the US/Israel/GCC have an agenda of regime change for Syria, Iran and then at some point in time, Russia.
Exclusive: Syria peace talks face delay as big powers split

AMMAN (Reuters) - International powers are unlikely to meet their goal of convening peace talks on Syria in Geneva next month as differences emerge between Washington and Moscow over opposition representation, Arab and Western officials said.

Failure of the main Syrian National Coalition to take a clear stance over the talks, which aim to find a political solution to Syria's 2-1/2 year civil war, are also expected to contribute to a delay of up to one month, the officials told Reuters. "A clearer picture will emerge when the United States and Russia meet next week, but all indications show that the November 23 goal will be difficult to meet," said one of the officials involved in preparing for the talks. U.S., Russian and U.N envoys are due to meet in Geneva next Tuesday as part of the preparation for the long-delayed peace conference, which was first proposed back in May.
A main point of contention, the official said, is the role of the Western-backed opposition coalition - an issue which has flared up since a meeting in London last week of Western and Gulf Arab countries opposed to Assad.
They announced that the Geneva negotiations should be between a "single delegation of the Syrian regime and a single delegation of the opposition, of which the Syrian National Coalition should be the heart and lead, as the legitimate representative of the Syrian people."

The Syrian National Coalition as the "legitimate representative of the Syrian people" ?????
They aren't.

Russia sees the coalition as just one part of the opposition and has suggested that several delegations, including Damascus-based figures tolerated by the government, could represent President Bashar al-Assad's foes.
That position was echoed by Hassan Abdul Azim, head of the opposition National Coordination Body, who said after meeting international peace envoy Lakhdar Brahimi in Damascus that delegates should attend not under the banner of the coalition but as part of a united "Syrian National Opposition".
A communique at the end of the London meeting also said Geneva would aim to establish a transitional government by which time "Assad and his close associates with blood on their hands will have no role in Syria".
"The Russians are furious at the strong stance taken in London and that the communiqué went a long way towards satisfying the demands of the coalition," a Western official said.


Preparations for the Geneva talks were thrown into further confusion on Tuesday by the dismissal of Syria's Deputy Prime Minister, Qadri Jamil, after he met senior U.S. diplomat Robert Ford in Geneva on Saturday.
Jamil, a member of what Assad describes as the "patriotic opposition", was sacked for leaving the country without permission and holding unauthorized meetings, state media said.
"He saw Ford after meeting Russian officials in Moscow. The meeting was long but useless," a Middle East official said, asking not to be named.
"Jamil put forward what Ford apparently regarded as unworkable proposals regarding the Geneva talks. He also unsuccessfully tried to win U.S. backing to include him on the opposition side in the Geneva talks," he said.
Another diplomatic source said Russia had backed the idea, but that the coalition would not have agreed to sit on the same side of the table as Jamil in any negotiations.
"It will take time between Russia and the United States to resolve their differences. We are looking now at Geneva between November 23 and Christmas," he said.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov acknowledged the Geneva meeting faced objections from both sides in Syria.
But he added during a visit to Greece: "There are contacts between Russia and the U.S. and we should not allow these efforts to fizzle out."


Differences between Moscow and Washington are not the only obstacles to the peace talks going ahead.
Ahmad Jarba, president of the opposition coalition, (????) has publicly resisted calls to commit to attending the Geneva conference, saying the coalition will not take part if there is any chance Assad might cling to power.
"He was speaking to his constituency and his public stance differs from what he told us privately," one delegate at last week's London meeting said, trying to play down the significance of Jarba's stance.
"We assured Jarba that an understanding had been reached with the Russians for Geneva to produce a transitional governing body with full powers over the army and security apparatus and that Assad would not be allowed to retain power under any special clauses. But his fate will not be specifically discussed at Geneva," the delegate said.
Even if Jarba were to attend, he has no authority over the rebel brigades battling to overthrow Assad. Many have rejected any negotiations not centered around Assad's removal and said they would charge anyone who attended them with treason.
Opposition sources said Jarba, who is backed by Saudi Arabia, travelled there in recent days to meet King Abdullah. Jarba will preside over a coalition meeting in Istanbul on November 9 to discuss taking a position on Geneva.

Jarba: A member of the opposition who we are supposed to believe represents Syrians, backed by the Saudis. Does that strike anyone as odd?

"The meeting will likely stretch for up to a week as usual. What is required is for the coalition to forget rhetoric and come up with a strategy, road map and a detailed policy," one envoy said.
U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Washington was still planning for a November conference but "no date or details is set or final until the United Nations announces it."
There was no immediate comment from the United Nations, but a senior Western diplomat said he was still keen that the "target date" for late November should be met.
Several officials, including Arab League chief Nabil Elaraby, have said they expect the Geneva 2 conference to convene on November 23, though the United States, Russia and the United Nations have all said no date has been officially set.
The November 23rd date was the one I had made mention of in this post: Geneva II- Peace Talks set for Nov 23 & 24/13

Looked like it was an official date-" Asked to confirm the dates, he told Reuters: "Yes, this is what (U.N. Secretary General) Ban Ki-moon is saying, not me."
I remarked at that time on the absence of western media coverage

"A date has not been officially set because no one wants it to be officially postponed," a Western diplomat said. "But it has been clear all along the aim was Nov 23. It looks now that it will be de facto postponed."
If the Arab League chief expected the conference to convene on November 23rd and this was the date given by Ban Ki Moon it would seem that indeed a date was set. Not to mention the fact that US, Russian and UN officials are meeting in Geneva in advance of the meeting November 23rd
That we are supposed to believe was never official set and hasn't officially been postponed is a lot of hooey.
The US/Israel/SA/NATO crowd never had any intention of settling this matter without more bloodshed.
The aforementioned crowd doesn't want peace only regime change

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  1. US second in line to lead al-Qaeda forces in Syria

    The US government is second in line to lead al-Qaeda forces fighting against the Syrian government after Saudi Arabia, a French newspaper reveals.

    They should drop all pretenses and send Bandar Bush and a CIA spook to represent the "Syrian" opposition. How about former CIA Deputy Director Michael Morell? I wonder if he's any relation to Solomon Morel?

  2. The zionazi terrorists again use CW:

    Syria conflict: buffer zone could trigger a large regional war - expert

    "Syrian rebels are reported to have employed chemical weapons near the Kurdish military post in the north-west of the country near the border with Turkey on Tuesday, Interfax reports citing Lebanese TV channel Al-Mayadin. The chemical attack was carried out against Kurdish militants in the Syrian city of El-Hasaka in the Ras-al-Ain region. However, the information about the chemical weapons attack became available only on Wednesday. In an interview to Voice of Russia, Jeremy Salt,associate professor of Middle Eastern history and politics at Bilkent University in Ankara, talked about the situation in detail..."

    вот так

  3. And:

    Russia alarmed by fresh reports Syrian militants using chemical weapons – FM

    "Moscow is deeply alarmed by fresh reports that extremists used chemical weapons on Syrian soil. This information must be thoroughly verified and investigated says a statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry.

    Recent reports from the region suggest that Jihadist groups, primarily Jabhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, have stepped up their activities against the Kurdish communities in northeastern Syria. The insurgents besieged a number of Kurdish populated areas, which dramatically complicated the already difficult humanitarian situation in the region, whose residents are short of food, medicines, and other necessities.

    At the same time, local self-governing bodies still manage to keep the situation under control, and Kurdish self-defense committees have dealt a number of serious blows to the attacking Islamist forces. In particular, Kurdish forces seized a checkpoint near the town of al-Yaarubia and the town itself on October 26, which helped unblock an important supply channel of primary necessities for Kurdish communities and significantly curbed Syrian oil smuggling by insurgents.

    Rebuffed by Kurdish self-defense forces defending their homes, the Jihadists reportedly used chemical weapons against them in the city of Ras al-Ayn near the Turkish border on October 29."

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  4. Politicians have considered the visit by an Egyptian popular delegation to Russia as an important step in strengthening Egyptian-Russian economic and military relations as well as a pivot away from the United States sphere of influence.They also said the visit demonstrates to the world that Egypt is not dependant on any specific country of the world and does not bow to any external pressure.Egypt under Nasser had very strong relations with Russia, said Tagamu Party Secretary General Magdi Sharabeya. These relations must be revived.He stressed that Egypt must diversify its sources of armaments by cooperating with Russia and China. We must not only depend on the United States, he added. The Americans keep threatening with the aid.Margaret Azer, secretary general of the Free Egyptians Party, said the Egypt must use soft power to regain its place in the world. Popular diplomacy brings good results and paves the way for official dialogue between governments, she said.America changed its dealing with Egypt according to its interests, and will continue to do so without doubt, despite its failure, she said. America wants a fragmented Middle East suffering from terrorism.Ahmed Derag of the National Assembly for Change said Egypt must deal with international powers in terms of equality and not dependency. Cooperation with Russia or China does not mean that we will cut relations with America, he said. We are opening relationships with other countries so as to create a balance in the region and regain our leadership of it.Edited translation from Al-Masry Al-Youm

  5. What is in Latakia that is so worrying?

    Is this on of the 2 resions that the inspectors have gotten to?

    1 day before the last Alleged chems attack Assad announced his troops had retaken most of Latakia?


    Note the dates...August 20...
    Tel Aviv: “Axis of Evil” Cannot Be Allowed to Win in Syria

  6. Could this latest series of events - including the Israeli raid a few days ago be related to the Russians launching two ICBMs (land and Sub) and the recent Recon flights picked off by Turkey? And the Russian strategic bombers landing in Venezuela and Nicaragua?

    Oh, and none other than Kissinger is in Russia

    Recall he turned up with Zemin back in July

  7. China leaks out pictures of Sub Fleet
    Chinese naval assets in Argentina
    Japan agitating near Naval drills provocation...

  8. Syrian Army Base Rocked Again By Overnight Explosions, Israel Implicated

  9. Hi Penny

    This from SyPer
    Para 1 under LATAKIA
    Al-'Aaliya Village: 19 savages were killed here by Ba'ath Militia. Trucks with missiles were destroyed, going up in a huge ball of fire that could be seen from Slinfeh, my wife's town:

    Para 2
    Al-'Utayra: ISIS provided the entertainment again. A feud over booty between ISIS groups resulted in a massive explosion of heat-seeking missiles, rocket launchers, Doschkas and grenades. A real fireworks display. Among the dead are Kazakhs, Daghestanis, Turks and 2 females. Hilarious.

    Wonder if the "Israeli attack could possibly maybee per chance ... be connected to these incidents to make it look good....

    Just Wondering :-)