Friday, December 13, 2013

Ukraine Eurevolution? Who benefits? The EU and NATO

Catchy new buzz words and the tried and true
Eurevolution and Ukraine Spring

A question that begs asking repeatedly?- Why would the Ukrainian people really want to join the EU or NATO, for that matter? I have yet to see one good reason, one real incentive any real benefit for the Ukrainian people to undertake these mostly small and rather bizarre demonstrations.
Two articles.Ignoring completely the usual spin and just cutting to the chase
One interview (I will post in a separate piece)
Cui bono?
Not the Ukrainian people.
How about the EU? How about NATO?
Ukraine’ Eurolution is a PR Godsend for a struggling EU
When the first protests against the Ukrainian government’s E.U. kibosh broke out in Kiev two weeks ago, I was on the ground with a French friend who works for a European supermarket chain. Watching the hordes of angry Ukrainians wave the starry blue E.U. flag on Independence Square and shout, ‘Ukraine for Europe,’ he shook his head in disgust. “Why would the Ukrainians want to join a bankrupt union? Europe is weak now, but Russia is strong. I would go with Putin if I were Ukrainian.”

Other European friends in Kiev echoed his sentiments. “The European Union is a vast bureaucracy,” complained an Italian friend. “We’re stuck now in a circle of debt that we’ll never be able to escape from. Why are Ukrainians so keen to submit to the iron rule of Berlin?”
 The EU is indeed a vast bureaucracy.  By design. And nothing more. The more bureaucracy there is, the worse life is for humanity in general. Bureaucracy is a vampire.

The protests are also a bonanza for the European Union, which has been suffering from a spate of bad PR recently. With support for the European project at an all-time low among its citizens, the television images of tens of thousands of Ukrainians protesting for Europe are a powerful reaffirmation of the European dream. They give Brussels a respite from the stream of negative news coming out of Greece, Portugal, Spain, or elsewhere in struggling southern Europe.

It’s no surprise that European politicans have rushed to embrace the protest movement. (Rushed to embrace it? EU politicians were openly fomenting the protests) German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle made a dramatic speech before the protesters last week, stressing that the “door to Europe is still open.” E.U. President José Manuel Barosso went as far as to express his gratitude to the Ukrainian demonstrators in a statement this week: ( A very telling statement) “The European Union has the right and the duty to stand by the people of Ukraine in this difficult moment, because they are giving to Europe one of the greatest contributions that can be given.”
Ukraine’s “greatest contribution” has been to bolster the E.U.’s flagging reputation with its revolution, or “Eurolution.”
I think the Ukrainians will be giving much more up to the EU then simply good PR.


Now NATO- NATO’s Trojan Horse Riding Toward a Ukraine Spring
Economic conditions in Ukraine are dire: $15 billion in IMF loans suspended, danger of default and a zero growth forecast.
 While the draft of the EU "Association Agreement" is being sold as an economic boon for Ukrainian citizens, in reality it appears to be NATO's Trojan Horse: a massive expansion of NATO's military position in the region. What's more, the Agreement occurs under the cover of nebulous economic promises.

But is the plight of Ukrainians being exploited to usher in a new military agreement under the guise of economic reform?
Yes
For NATO, the goal is expansion. The prize is access to a country that shares a 1,426-mile border with Russia. The geopolitical map would be dramatically reshaped by the Agreement, with Ukraine serving as the new front for Western missile defense at the doorstep of Russia. Should the U.S. nuclear deal with Iran fall apart, Ukraine could be employed in larger regional disputes, too.

As an EU deal appears imminent, few people are asking questions about NATO's role in the deal

NATO’s role in the EU deal?

While NATO is not specifically mentioned in the draft of the "Association Agreement," the proposal, which was posted online (and translated to English here) by the Ukrainian cabinet in August, pledges convergence of foreign and security policy.
Read: NATO expansion.
For instance, in the draft of the Agreement, foreign and security policy mandates:

    "The Parties shall explore the potential of military and technological cooperation. Ukraine and the European Defence Agency (EDA) will establish close contacts to discuss military capability improvement, including technological issues."
The draft of the Agreement's preamble links Ukraine to "ever closer convergence of positions on bilateral, regional and international issues of mutual interest" including the Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP) of the European Union and the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP) -- which underscores the military nature of the agreement.

Since 22 of 28 members of the EU have NATO membership, there is little doubt that Ukraine is being drawn into the broad military arrangement with EU nations.
When military spending goes up, domestic spending goes down. The winners are unlikely to be the people of Ukraine, but instead the "people" of Lockheed-Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing and other defense interests. The Ukrainians didn't go to Independence Square to rally for NATO. Yet NATO's benefit is clear. Less clear is whether Ukrainians will receive key economic benefits they seek.

 Ukrainians may be pro-EU,(as presented via the managing your perception media) but are the EU and NATO pro-Ukrainian?
Of course the EU and NATO are no pro-Ukraine. The EU and NATO are pro EU and NATO.
Unsurprisingly I still can see no benefit to the Ukrainian people.

28 comments:

  1. US Senator McCain to travel to Ukraine

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_12_14/US-Senator-McCain-to-travel-to-Ukraine-2564/

    That should be fun... ;)

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  2. syrian Ghouta had a forerunner in kurdish Halabja, where a chemical attack was blamed on Saddam, while the evidence was thin and used by the zionisy lobby trying to get US to attack Iraq

    'Despite the doubt cast by many professionals as well as the CIA’s recent report, and after years of public relations propaganda made for the Kurdish leaderships by the assistance and support of the Israeli Mossad, the issue of genocide has been marketed to the international community.

    In a telephone interview with the Village Voice in 2002, Stephen Pelletiere said: “There is to this day the belief – and I’m not the only one who holds it – that things did not happen in Halabja the way Goldberg wrote it.

    “And it is an especially crucial issue right now. We say Saddam is a monster, a maniac who gassed his own people, and the world should not tolerate him. But why? Because that is the last argument the US has for going to war with Iraq.”;
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-happened-in-kurdish-halabja

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  3. Simple, They want to join the ZOG NWO "HEDONISTIC COLLECTIVE". They have no use for values like truth, conscience, morals & righteousness. They are addicted to consumerism, materialism & "sins of the flesh" and are willful "walking dead".

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  4. eu will not be able to buy ukraine. it is not happening. more than half of ukrainians recognize they better be with russia.

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    1. Missing all the pro-Russia rallies. Here is a good article for you "why I believe that Russia should not directly intervene in the Ukrainian conflict" (I am not the author). If anything will stop this, it is the Russian gov't working "behind the scene" to stop this.

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    2. thanks
      I had a few minutes the other day, got on line and saw the Saker had a new piece up, but, no time to read it
      This kitchen reno is a huge time consumer, particularly when one is not as young as they used to be and you start from scratch, including the new walls and ceiling
      I will read this asap
      thanks for bringing it here!

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    3. I keep up with current events but do not know how you all are able to maintain the comment section on your daily blogs & have a life. THANK YOU! for this wonderful blog.

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    4. Your welcome and it isn't easy.
      That said if you appreciate, it is worth it :)

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  5. Very decent analysis of the Higgins-Guardian Goebbels routine. It's a good case study of how western zionazi media and the western spooks (in this case CIA and Mossad) work hand in hand to spread disinformation. Of special interest is it is the all Jewish owned/run Guardian exposed here as playing the Goebbels role, which shows how phony the credentials of the so-called progressive/left msm are and that they are not really any different than rest of the msm, including the Murdoch clones. It's all baboon scat.

    Syria: Media Disinformation, War Propaganda and the Corporate Media’s “Independent Bloggers”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-media-disinformation-war-propaganda-and-the-corporate-medias-independent-bloggers/5361476

    "A glaring example of one of the major pitfalls emerging in supposed “new media” has arisen during the conflict in Syria. Most notably in the form of YouTube blogger, and self-proclaimed weapons expert Eliot Higgins, aka “Brown Moses”. The clique of highly ideological analysts, think-tankers and journalists Higgins’ regularly works with and consults – alongside the dubiously funded western NGO’s he receives payment from – provide a stark indication as to the factions within the corporate media circus this supposedly independent blogger is operating in unison with.

    Higgins has provided the western corporate media apparatus the opportunity to present its war-propaganda as having a “new media” facade of impartial legitimacy. Yet it is the same capitalistic “old media” apparatus endlessly promoting his work – consisting of scouring Jihadist war-porn and agitprop on YouTube for tidbits that may bolster corporate media narratives – as an invaluable tool in tracking human rights abuses, arms trafficking, and risk-free coverage of fast evolving conflicts. Yet contrary to the innocuous portrayal of an unemployed YouTube addict in Leicester becoming a credible analyst of a conflict in the Middle East; Higgins’ blog has been thrust into the foreground not through the benefit of impartiality or public appraisals, but through corporate “benefactors” with vested interest operating alongside the same “old media” organisations and stenographers."

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    1. Thanks Bot tak
      I am not a fan of the Brown Moses
      Have to put it bluntly, thought he was full of *&it since Libya
      His stink is voluminous. He is 'spooky' and by that I mean he is tied to the intel community as are most main stream media stooges
      Despite is presentation as some kind of alternative or new,hip and trendy
      He is tired, tried and true and the same old same old


      "Higgins has provided the western corporate media apparatus the opportunity to present its war-propaganda as having a “new media” facade of impartial legitimacy. Yet it is the same capitalistic “old media” apparatus endlessly promoting his work – consisting of scouring Jihadist war-porn and agitprop on YouTube for tidbits that may bolster corporate media narratives – as an invaluable tool in tracking human rights abuses, arms trafficking, and risk-free coverage of fast evolving conflicts. Yet contrary to the innocuous portrayal of an unemployed YouTube addict in Leicester becoming a credible analyst of a conflict in the Middle East; Higgins’ blog has been thrust into the foreground not through the benefit of impartiality or public appraisals, but through corporate “benefactors” with vested interest operating alongside the same “old media” organisations and stenographers."

      Well said, who ever said it!

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  6. 2nd part:

    "Bloggers such as Higgins promoting themselves as working from an impartial standpoint are actually nothing of the sort and work in complete unison with mainstream journalists and western NGO’s – both in a practical capacity, and an ideological one. As noted at the Land Destroyer blog and others; Higgins was initially pushed into the limelight by the Guardians’ former Middle East editor Brian Whitaker, a “journalist” with the honour of being a lead proponent of almost every smear campaign and piece of western propaganda directed at the Syrian government, while wholeheartedly promoting the Bin Ladenite “rebels” as secular feminist freedom fighters and repeatedly spouting the liberal opportunist mantra of western military “action”, which realistically means Imperialist military intervention. Whitaker and Higgins played a lead role in bolstering corporate media’s fantasy narratives throughout the joint NATO-Al Qaeda insurgency in Libya during 2011, with many of the anti-Gaddafi claims they propagated subsequently proven to be speculative at best, outright propaganda at worst.

    Furthermore, Whitaker’s promotion of “The Gay Girl in Damascus” is but one embarrassing anecdote within the litany of completely fabricated narratives both he and the Guardian have made efforts to advance, while making equal effort to marginalize and discredit journalism and opinion that contradict western-desired narratives. It was during Whitaker’s period of running the Guardian’s “Middle East Live blog” – providing daily scripted coverage of the “Arab Spring” in a pseudo-liberal “new media” format – that he and other Guardian journalists first began to promote Higgins’ YouTube findings as credible evidence. Regular readers commenting on the Guardian blog quickly recognised the duplicity and close relationship between Higgins and the Guardian staff, resulting in his propagandistic comments being scrutinised, debunked, and ridiculed on an almost daily basis. Curiously, Whitaker has since left the Guardian and the “MELive” blog has been cancelled due to “staffing shortages” and the ridiculous excuse of a lull in worthwhile coverage. Yet the Guardians skewed standpoint on Syria, along with Whitaker and Higgins relationship, have remained steadfast...."

    The Guardian played the same sort of role promoting the initial "orange color revolution" regime change war crime against Ukraine as they did with their “Middle East Live blog”. They are probably doing a repeat of that now - I don't have the stomach to view that Jews only zionazi media site.

    The sort of duplicity practiced by Higgins is not new. It's a long time standard zionazi/nazi co-optation tactic. They weasel their way in pretending to be against the establishment fascists, then once they acquire a rep, they start weaseling in the establishment's propaganda into the narrative.

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  7. ...After Libya and Syria, disaster magnet John McCain, an al Qaeda hugger, rushed yet for another photo opportunity, this tiem to Kiev, Ukraine, to put his weight on the side of the EU "enlargement." He is there also joined by Islamist fundamentalists from Crimea (who also fought for al Qaeda in Syria) and the Ukranian neo-Nazis whose hero is Bandera, once a CIA agent and before a war criminal who fought alongside the Nazi SS.

    Like a truffle seeking pig, McCain seeking the regime change photo op...you just know what he supports is vile
    if i were the regime change ukrainian crowd...id keep whatsisface out of the group photos! bad PR
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=626582900731511&set=a.620915421298259.1073741828.620887914634343&type=1&theater

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  8. Reme Huff
    Local residents gather at the barracks of the 15th division of the Syrian Arab Army stationed in Sweida, and put on a show for the soldiers to keep their morale up in the harsh cold temperatures. The songs they sing are traditional national songs. Don't mind the gunshots, it's how they show they're happy ��

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=795031807179559

    cant see them doing this for al-nusra or ISIS, who'd gut and behead the performers as infidels

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  9. Penny,
    I've been watching this PR campaign in Ukraine also. :) Level heads see it for just want it is, more meat for the EU grinder, a NATO win, and a another buffer zone for Europe when NATO attacks Russia.

    Some silliness:
    Ukraine wants to be fully-fledged European country, not backward European province – PM

    I laughted out loud when I read that one. Poor ole backwater Ukraine, suffering away wanting to be a "real" European.
    To quote my blogger friend.... Barf !

    Under the radar and not seen at any other news sights yet, is this revelation: Ukraine on Brink of Economic Deal With Russia – Premier

    So, tensions mount and mcCain flies over to insitll US democracy on the soft, which is not his usual speed, while damsels from the EU hand out cookies.
    What could be lurking behind all that gooey stuff, hummmm ? :)

    Disgraceful, obvious, shameful, needy gestures and lies.
    Glad to see someone else calling it a Trojan Horse besides me. :)

    karin

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  10. more tweets from Mother Agnes: Mother Agnes Mariam+ ‏@MotherAgnesMari 13 Dec
    Waiting for a flight from Toronto to New York I could talk to Mother Pelagia, Superior of Maaloula abducted nuns. PRAY! and ACT for them !

    Mother Agnes Mariam+ ‏@MotherAgnesMari 13 Dec
    Peace and love to everybody. Sister Carmel and myself came back yesterday from NewYork. Our US + Canada tour lasted 40 days. Extraordinary ! https://twitter.com/MotherAgnesMari

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  11. Penny,
    Pepe got some leaks via al-manar (arabic-darn it I looked earlier-no wonder I didn't see anything :) foiled

    anyhow Pepe Escobar's new article at RT
    It’s Putin vs Bandar Bush on the Syrian chessboard

    This should be good. Haven't read it yet, wanted to get it over here to you and everyone else for some Sat evening chuckles.
    karin

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  12. Seems they are pulling Robert Ford out of Egypt long enough to meet w/ US and "the islamic front" (bloody hard to keep up with all these names ) is Turkey about further funding.

    Article here at Al-Manar

    Pepe says they got some serious munitions when Idris flew the coop. He was supposed to go back as ordered but instead , word has it, he went to his up-scale home in Turkey.

    karin

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  13. Greetings Penny,

    Great job as always.

    There is one thing about Ukraine that I want to mention, as an addendum to your work here. I doing so, however, the last thing I want to do is come across pro-West or pro-EU. You know where I stand on this matters.

    Because of its history, Ukraine is essentially a deeply divided state with two relatively distinct nations living within one political body: the nation is more-or-less half west-leaning (primarily Ukrainian Orthodox, Catholic and Jewish) and half east-leaning (primarily Russian Orthodox) - if not by actual faith then by heritage. The western half of the country identifies more with Poles, Moldovans, and Slovaks than with Russians. Ukraine is also a nation that has had terrible troubles with Bolsheviks: Many millions dead during the infamous famine. There was also the harsh treatment of western Ukrainians by Stalin's Moscow during and in the aftermath of the Second World War due to their collaboration with Nazi Germany.

    As a result, hate for their Russian neighbors runs deep for many in the western half of the Ukraine. It is these people we are seeing protesting on the streets. I personally think their EU drive is rooted more in their hate for Russians than in their love for the EU.

    Unfortunately, within the mindsets of the Ukrainian sheeple today (as well as sheeple around the world), no differentiation is made between the Bolshevik regime and ethnic Russians. For hundreds of millions of people around the world: Bolshevism/communism = Russian. Therefore, for many in the Ukraine, ethnic Russians (Orthodox Christian Slavs) are the enemy - never mind that Bolshevism was imported into Russia to destroy the Russian Empire, never mind that Russian Slavs suffered just as terribly as Ukrainians. Moreover, Ukraine is a European country that physically shares a border with the European Union.

    The aforementioned sociopolitical factors are what Western powers are exploiting today in their geostrategic drive to expand NATO into historically recognized Russian territories via the multinational theme-park known as the European Union.

    Consequently, Ukraine has been diligently worked on by a very wide array of Western led and funded operatives, political activists, rights advocates, feminist movements, gay movements, NGOs, news press, etc, for two full two decades. The Jewish factor also looms large in the country.

    continued

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  14. part 2

    Why is the Ukraine so important for the West?

    As Zbigniew Brzezinski pointed out, Russia is enormously more powerful with the territory of Ukraine within its fold and considerably weakened without it. In short, Western powers want to secure their Slavic buffer states (Poland and Ukraine) as a way of creating defensive depth against Russia, as well as a way of containing and/or weakening the Russian state - historically viewed by Western powers (in this case American, British, French and German) as their number one geopolitical competitor on the global stage.

    In a sense, this Western push into eastern Europe can be likened to a new "Operation Barbarossa", without all the guns.

    Nevertheless, the situation in the Ukraine is very serious. The country has turned into a volatile powder keg. I'm glad Kiev and Moscow have taken a step back in trying to defuse the situation.

    My main concern is that Western powers are attempting to foment large scale civil unrest within this deeply divided country. This runs the risk of a bloody and lengthy civil war, to which Moscow may respond to by annexing the strategic Crimea (which is actually a real contingency plan for the Kremlin). I personally want to see the Crimea going back to Russia but Moscow will do that only as a last resort (that is if Kiev is on the verge of a major split).

    Therefore, Kiev and Moscow need to be very careful with the way they are handling these protests. The best course for Ukrainian and Russian officials to take would be to do what they are doing now: take a step back and allow these protests to run their natural course, all the while keeping tight control over the situation and monitoring the country's Western funded NGOs, activists and news organizations. There should not be disproportionate use of violence against the protesters themselves. An overreaction by the authorities is what Western powers are actually hoping for.

    Anyway, the main point I want to leave you with is that Ukraine is a deeply divided nation that currently runs the risk of civil war and an eventual split. A split is not desirable. But if it happens, I want to see Russia annexing the Crimea.

    Thank you for this venue.

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    1. and now the reply button is working?
      dam you blogger(shakes fist) lol

      Arevordi: Thank you so much for leaving this excellent and thoughtful response. I appreciate it greatly!

      "no differentiation is made between the Bolshevik regime and ethnic Russians. For hundreds of millions of people around the world: Bolshevism/communism = Russian. Therefore, for many in the Ukraine, ethnic Russians (Orthodox Christian Slavs) are the enemy - never mind that Bolshevism was imported into Russia to destroy the Russian Empire, never mind that Russian Slavs suffered just as terribly as Ukrainians"

      I am familiar, not in an in depth way however, with the Ukraine history that you speak of
      It is the history on "one side of the house" here
      My husband's family- long story
      And oddly enough I was talking about this situation in the Ukraine with someone last week. Who also has family hailing from the area


      " Ukraine has been diligently worked on by a very wide array of Western led and funded operatives, political activists, rights advocates, feminist movements, gay movements, NGOs, news press, etc, for two full two decades. The Jewish factor also looms large in the country."

      The divide to conquer crowd- the NGO's
      NGO's = No(t) Good Organizations
      Deceivers. Assisting in destruction
      Basically in the Ukraine irritating wound that has long been festering, rather then healing it.

      Anyway, the main point I want to leave you with is that Ukraine is a deeply divided nation that currently runs the risk of civil war and an eventual split. A split is not desirable. But if it happens, I want to see Russia annexing the Crimea.

      I see that Yanukovich is meeting with Putin on Tuesday...
      A meeting worth keeping an eye on

      Again, thanks for filling in the blanks and Arevordi, thanks for all the good work you do

      for readers here
      Arevordi's blog is linked in the sidebar here
      it is "Heralding the Rise of Russia- Geopolitics and more

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    2. "Unfortunately, within the mindsets of the Ukrainian sheeple today (as well as sheeple around the world), no differentiation is made between the Bolshevik regime and ethnic Russians. For hundreds of millions of people around the world: Bolshevism/communism = Russian."

      That's a very important point. The Bolsheviks didn't just vanish they moved west into the EU and USA. The EU is the new Soviet - but the harsh Communism of the old Soviet has been given a makeover and now we have the new Communitarian Soviet - a delightful blend of Communism and Corporate Fascism.

      Communist Takeover of US Began Long Ago Homeland Security headed by Bolsheviks (and neo-cons) ?

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  15. in a world of fools the Fog Donkey alone tells the truth
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hr6tlosdtnw
    (N. Phrase) ‘fawg ‘don-kee A foolish or unlearned person who unwittingly communicates a useful truth.

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  16. karin:
    the US set to meet with the Islamist mercs and they are bringing in Rob Ford?
    Not a surprise. Him and John McCain are great co-conspirators and cooperate with their mercenaries
    thanks for the link
    for some dam reason the reply button stopped working?

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  17. brian: thanks.... can't respond to you directly because the reply button is being temperamental
    sigh.........

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  18. 'They shoved people in baking ovens':
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjNW4o1gnsg

    http://democratic-syria.blogspot.com.au/2012/08/the-arab-spring-spontaneous-public.html

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  19. Read these 2 articles, to understand Ukrainian ideology and what people in Ukraine want to join NATO and EU:
    http://malorus.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/trojan-horse-in-ukraiene/

    http://malorus.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/ideology-of-ukraine-today/

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  20. Why would the Ukrainian people really want to join the EU or NATO, for that matter?

    Ukrainian wants to be independent country to make sure that
    1. Holodomor - Ukrainian famine will not repeat - 10 mln people dies in 1930-1940 because of Russian politics.
    2. To get visas to EU and get work there
    3. To reduce/ remove corruption - EU will enforce them
    4. To improve standard of live
    5. To have democratic not totalitarian live style.

    Right now this is Russian colony ruled by corrupted oligarch.
    The same corrupted system is in Russia.
    It can not be stopped in Ukraine as long as Ukraine is Russia dependent.


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    1. Janus:

      If Ukraine really wanted to be truly independent.... they would NOT join the EU
      The Ukrainian famine- saw many Russians die also
      The EU does not want Ukrainians in the EU to add to the labour force and drive down wages
      The EU is as corrupt as the Ukraine is already, and as it was under the orange revolution and Yanukovych
      Joining the EU will not raise standard of living
      And democracy is just a pipedream
      Russian colony? With corrupted dual national Israeli oligarchs?
      Who are you kidding?
      Perhaps Ukraine should show the banking scum to the door... then we could talk about improving much about the Ukraine
      From where I sit you appear a bit out of touch with reality
      To much time partying it up in Montreal perhaps?

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