Friday, March 28, 2014

Part 2-Turkey, YouTube,the incriminating audio?! A declaration of war?

And a lengthier translation?
To my eyes this looks to be not just about Syria. But also about a role Turkey has played and may reprise in Iraq.
Yesterday-  Turkey 'shuts off YouTube" to cover up leaked false flag attack plans on Syria

An article at WP is suggesting this is the video that caused the shutdown?
If anyone understands what is being said........???

It's quite clear there are multiple conversations going on, not likely all at once?
-It seems as if Turkey was preparing for false flags on more then one front.
-Not just at the tomb .But, also by ordering a missile strike on Turkish territory
-The operations they decide on should have a shocking effect.
-Preparing a cover story that would or could fit into some kind of international law norms... What ever those really are?
-Going in with tanks vs going in with aircraft
-Fabricating a story to the Syrian consulate in Istanbul- a story that have used on previous ocassions
-Portraying this as an 'al quaeda' issue so there will be no problem
-Are some of these actions being taken without Erdogan's knowledge or approval? A couple of sentences in that conversation, if accurate, do leave me wondering about that? NO government decision on tanks in Iraq. Then who made the decision? NATO commanders? (Hmmm... I have suggested previously that Turkey does not control it's Army. Not completely)
- The comment about shifts in global and regional politics- and spreading?

And the translation provided for the video

Here’s a full translation, first published in the International Business Times, courtesy of a veteran translator who asked that his name be withheld for fear of retribution.

“I should note,” the translator told the Washington Post, “that it was done pretty hastily.”

    Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu:
    “Prime Minister said that in current conjuncture, this attack (on Suleiman Shah Tomb) must be seen as an opportunity for us.”

    *National Intelligence Chief Hakan Fidan:
    “I’ll send 4 men from Syria, if that’s what it takes. I’ll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary.”

    Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioglu:
    “Our national security has become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.”

    Deputy Chief of Staff of the military Yasar Guler:
    “It’s a direct cause of war. I mean, what we’re going to do is a direct cause of war.”


    Ahmet Davutog(lu: I couldn’t entirely understand the other thing; what exactly does our foreign ministry supposed to do? No, I’m not talking about the thing. There are other things we’re supposed to do. If we decide on this, we are to notify the United Nations, the Istanbul Consulate of the Syrian regime, right?

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu: But if we decide on an operation in there, it should create a shocking effect. I mean, if we are going to do so. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but regardless of what we decide, I don’t think it’d be appropriate to notify anyone beforehand.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: OK, but we’re gonna have to prepare somehow. To avoid any shorts on regarding international law. I just realised when I was talking to the president (Abdullah Gül), if the Turkish tanks go in there, it means we’re in there in any case, right?

    Yas,ar Güler: It means we’re in, yes.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: Yeah, but there’s a difference between going in with aircraft and going in with tanks…    SECOND SCREEN:

    Yas,ar Güler: Maybe we can tell the Syrian consulate general that, ISIL is currently working alongside the regime, and that place is Turkish land. We should definitely…

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: But we have already said that, sent them several diplomatic notes.

    Yas,ar Güler: To Syria…

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu: That’s right.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: Yes, we’ve sent them countless times. Therefore, I’d like to know what our Chief of Staff’s expects from our ministry.

    Yas,ar Güler: Maybe his intent was to say that, I don’t really know, he met with Mr. Fidan.

    Hakan Fidan: Well, he did mention that part but we didn’t go into any further details.

    Yas,ar Güler: Maybe that was what he meant… A diplomatic note to Syria?

    Hakan Fidan: Maybe the Foreign Ministry is assigned with coordination…


    Ahmet Davutog(lu: I mean, I could coordinate the diplomacy but civil war, the military…

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu: That’s what I told back there. For one thing, the situation is different. An operation on ISIL has solid ground on international law. We’re going to portray this is Al-Qaeda, there’s no distress there if it’s a matter regarding Al-Qaeda. And if it comes to defending Suleiman Shah Tomb, that’s a matter of protecting our land.

    Yas,ar Güler: We don’t have any problems with that.

    Hakan Fidan: Second after it happens, it’ll cause a great internal commotion (several bombing events is bound to happen within). The border is not under control…

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu:I mean, yes, the bombings are of course going to happen. But I remember our talk from 3 years ago…

    Yas,ar Güler: Mr. Fidan should urgently receive back-up and we need to help him supply guns and ammo to rebels. We need to speak with the minister. Our Interior Minister, our Defense Minister. We need to talk about this and reach a resolution sir.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: How did we get special forces into action when there was a threat in Northern Iraq? We should have done so in there, too. We should have trained those men. We should have sent men. Anyway, we can’t do that, we can only do what diplomacy…

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu: I told you back then, for God’s sake, General, you know how we managed to get those tanks in, you were there.

    Yas,ar Güler: What, you mean our stuff?

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu: Yes, how do you think we’ve managed to rally our tanks into Iraq? How? How did we manage to get special forces, the battalions in? I was involved in that. Let me be clear, there was no government decision on that, we have managed that just with a single order.


    Yas,ar Güler: Well, I agree with you. For one thing, we’re not even discussing that. But there are different things that Syria can do right now.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: General, the reason we’re saying no to this operation is because we know about the capacity of those men.

    Yas,ar Güler: Look, sir, isn’t MKE (Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation) at minister’s bidding? Sir, I mean, Qatar is looking for ammo to buy in cash. Ready cash. So, why don’t they just get it done? It’s at Mr. Minister’s command.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: But there’s the spot we can’t act integratedly, we can’t coordinate.

    Yas,ar Güler: Then, our Prime Minister can summon both Mr. Defence Minister and Mr. Minister at the same time. Then he can directly talk to them.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: We, Mr. Sinirog(lu and I, have literally begged Mr. Prime Minster for a private meeting, we said that things were not looking so bright.


    Yas,ar Güler: Also, it doesn’t have to be a crowded meeting. Yourself, Mr. Defence Minister, Mr. Interior Minister and our Chief of Staff, the four of you are enough. There’s no need for a crowd. Because, sir, the main need there is guns and ammo. Not even guns, mainly ammo. We’ve just talked about this, sir. Let’s say we’re building an army down there, 1000 strong. If we get them into that war without previously storing a minimum of 6-months’ worth of ammo, these men will return to us after two months.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: They’re back already.

    Yas,ar Güler: They’ll return to us, sir.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: They’ve came back from… What was it? Çobanbey.

    Yas,ar Güler: Yes, indeed, sir. This matter can’t be just a burden on Mr. Fidan’s shoulders as it is now. It’s unacceptable. I mean, we can’t understand this. Why?


    Ahmet Davutog(lu: That evening we’d reached a resolution. And I thought that things were taking a turn for the good. Our…

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu: We issued the MGK (National Security Council) resolution the day after. Then we talked with the general…

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: And the other forces really do a good follow up on this weakness of ours. You say that you’re going to capture this place, and that men being there constitutes a risk factor. You pull them back. You capture the place. You reinforce it and send in your troops again.

    Yas,ar Güler: Exactly, sir. You’re absolutely right.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: Right? That’s how I interpret it. But after the evacuation, this is not a military necessity. It’s a whole other thing.


    Feridun Sinirog(lu: There are some serious shifts in global and regional geopolitics. It now can spread to other places. You said it yourself today, and others agreed… We’re headed to a different game now. We should be able to see those. That ISIL and all that jazz, all those organisations are extremely open to manipulation. Having a region made up of organisations of similar nature will constitute a vital security risk for us. And when we first went into Northern Iraq, there was always the risk of PKK blowing up the place. If we thoroughly consider the risks and substantiate… As the general just said…

    Yas,ar Güler: Sir, when you were inside a moment ago, we were discussing just that. Openly. I mean, armed forces are a “tool” necessary for you in every turn.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: Of course. I always tell the Prime Minister, in your absence, the same thing in academic jargon, you can’t stay in those lands without hard power. Without hard power, there can be no soft power.


    Yas,ar Güler: Sir.

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu: The national security has been politicised. I don’t remember anything like this in Turkish political history. It has become a matter of domestic policy. All talks we’ve done on defending our lands, our border security, our sovereign lands in there, they’ve all become a common, cheap domestic policy outfit.

    Yas,ar Güler: Exactly.

    Feridun Sinirog(lu: That has never happened before. Unfortunately but…

    Yas,ar Güler: I mean, do even one of the opposition parties support you in such a high point of national security? Sir, is this a justifiable sense of national security?

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu: I don’t even remember such a period.


    Yas,ar Güler: In what matter can we be unified, if not a matter of national security of such importance? None.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: The year 2012, we didn’t do it 2011. If only we’d took serious action back then, even in the summer of 2012.

    Feridun Sinirliog(lu: They were at their lowest back in 2012.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: Internally, they were just like Libya. Who comes in and goes from power is not of any importance to us. But some things…

    Yas,ar Güler: Sir, to avoid any confusion, our need in 2011 was guns and ammo. In 2012, 2013 and today also. We’re in the exact same point. We absolutely need to find this and secure that place.

    Ahmet Davutog(lu: Guns and ammo are not a big need for that place. Because we couldn’t get the human factor in order…

My question is still this- Who leaked this to Youtube? And why?

Turkish FM is claiming Spying on key security meeting on Syria is 'declaration of war'


  1. There was a tweet that said Erdogan ordered the shooting down of a Syrian jet days before it happened. Then the "leaked" conversation that Erdogan didn't deny. The White House/ Pentagon/ NATO are desperate to hit back at Putin for thwarting their advance.
    To my mind Assad is being baited to respond and failing that to fake a response to justify a no fly zone and humanitarian blitz or a simple assault by NATO in defence of a NATO member.

    1. I notice Erdogan isn't denying. No one else is really either
      Assad looks to being baited on both the Turkish front and on the Israeli front
      but what the heck to make of what is going on in Turkey?!
      These leaks
      the protests
      what I found interesting was all the play on Iraq- what was that about
      some of it seems referencing the past, but, some of it seems very present day

      I find the comparison of Libya, to Iraq, cause it has to be Iraq interesting
      And wonder if they are talking expanding into Iraq
      with or without Erdogan?

    2. Penny, just what I picked up in passing. Gulen, former Erdogan ally, alleged CIA puppet is now against Erdogan. That suggests that Erdogan is no longer a favoured NATO-CIA subject. He has lost a substantial percent of the electorate due to the war on Syria where many Turks have relatives and friends. The Gulen revelations "leaked" include fraud by Erdogan and family, costing more votes. So Erdogan's position is that he wants to win again and at the same time get back into NATO-CIA good books, re-establishing friendly relations with Israel is part of the latter. Gulen, I suspect is not entirely controlled by the forces for evil and to a degree has attacked the Erdogan party because Erdogan has gone down a path where Turkey will lose a third of the country to Kurds if hestays in power.
      I would suggest to Erdogan's relatives that now would be a good time to take out life insurance on the man.

    3. thanks cc

      I have mentioned a number of times the potential for Turkey to be broken up
      And with the kurds in control in Syria and in Iraq, thanks on both counts to the US and Israel.... it would only make sense that Turkey is next
      Not sure about Gulen, he looks to be very connected...
      Political assassination in Turkey, along with coups, were more the norm previously.. if I am recalling correctly?
      You may be right about the insurance policy
      thanks so much clothcap! :)

    4. Betcha like this one...

      Thought. If Erdogan feints an attack on Kurdish Iraq, it would justify a push back.
      Kurds are playing with fire. They have N. Iraq. Assad would concede N.E. Syria.They don't need the problems part of Turkey would incur. Why are the carrots being dangled? Destabilisation of Turkey? Erdogan is happy to sell his soul, that is proved. A third of Turkey is nothing to him.

    5. I do, and have saved it
      did a quick skim and some of it jibed with other info I was familiar with
      a definite piece of the puzzle
      hope others read it
      and I will link it in my next post
      thanks again cc
      you da man!
      as the saying goes ;)

      oh and btw-global warming agw
      it's snowing here again
      the ice snow and cold have been beyond bizarre this year

    yesterday it was on..

    U.N. warns of increasing militant links between Iraq, Syria

    Why the big Israeli Turkish push? Why now? Does it answer the question?
    US Israeli fallout over peace talks / settlements with US /Golan /Iran
    US-Turkey fallout over energy/northern Iraq / Syria / Gulen network / Russia offshore drilling rights from Syria / China missile deal / Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline?

    Now that Obama is in Syria the Saudis had a puff piece on Bandar out the other day saying after his surgery recovery in Morocco he is back in the Kingdom and on the job. That is if he isn't dead. What of that alleged Bandar threat to the Russians? Disinformation ahead of the Olympics? Who did it? Will it be a topic of the summit?

    Then yesterday another what looks like reformist was slotted into 2nd in line behind the crown prince. Then there were the Pakistan troop deployment rumors last week to the Kingdom. As an aside Pakistan just won a UN vote on Us Drone strikes + Taliban talks = ?

    Sure looks like the house of saudi is leaking out the "nothing to see here meme" but preparing for something. What?

    Brennan out trying gloss over the differences last week in runup to Obama trip if that is a clue

    1. Deep State politics vs what is shown to the people?

      Would Pakistan and Afghanistan work together?
      And is that one reason why Saudi Arabia is heavily involved with Pakistan
      Saudi has just told Obama or the other way around 'not to make a bad deal regarding Iran"

      Also noticed today

      Saudi Arabia named Prince Muqrin bin Abdulaziz as second in line to the throne, the latest royal promotion as King Abdullah confronts unprecedented political instability in the Middle East and economic changes at home.

      Muqrin, the king’s half-brother who was born in 1945, was made second crown prince alongside his duties as second deputy prime minister, the official Saudi Press Agency said yesterday, citing a royal decree. King Abdullah named his defense minister and half-brother Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz, born in 1935, crown prince in June 2012, making the traditionalist former governor of Riyadh next in line to become king.

      Saudi rulers have criticized the U.S. decision to abandon plans for military action against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

      I have an interesting piece I have meant re SA and Pakistan meant to get posted
      and a relink of some old stuff, but, lacking time

      thanks anonymous!

    2. Oh and btw started in on the AlJaz piece, but, will get back to it

  3. I'm sorry, this is Ukraine, not Turkey info, but I find myselv watching various areas of concern and given the financial situation, the Turkey, Jordan /isreal/Saudi gift to Pakistan, and the situation in Ukraine are getting very severe.

    So severe concerning Very wrong reports I found today in local Kiev press (google translate) and US news I guess, of Russia having "100,000 troops along the border w/ Ukraine and ready to "invade" "
    Hence, Russia feels it necessary for Russian Foreign Ministry’s spokesman Alexander Lukashevich has issued an official commentary on the allegations about the concentration of Russian Armed Forces in the areas adjoining the border with Ukraine

    The Ukraine West and now portions, like Odessa, have shut down Russia info to thise areas. They are only getting what Kiev /US NATO is spitting out

    I'm very nervous about so many fronts being so unstable at this particular time.

    Russia is trying it's best to hold things down, but "the West" is pushing hard ! :(


    1. karin

      I saw the ukraine was blowin' smoke on the numbers of russian troops at the border, I am sure they have a reason for doing so
      scare the populace, anger the svoboda types and play the victim meme to the hilt


      if there are any troops at all? I don't know? And can only go by what is reported. Most reality based talk has numbers around 30,000
      If anyone else has some info regarding numbers fill us in here?
      I agree wholeheartedly it is scary times karin
      but, then at any moment things can go terribly wrong and that is the reality of life
      words spoken by someone who has been there more times then she cares to think about

  4. Fear of retribution from whom ?

    1. dunno for sure brian, cause I am not sure who that is a query too?

    2. Hi Penny and Karin

      .... or somebody with a cool head desperately trying to stop a war...
      which is my preference.
      There are a lot of very low calabre politicians in us and eu plus turkey Isreal and in the middle east (all lower caps out of disrespect to them) desperately trying to start a war without really understanding the implications and effect it will have on so many people worldwide. They are so tunnel visioned into only thinking about the next move to embarrass, inconvenience, provoke Russia .Syria into making a false step to justify their want for war.



    3. KamNam

      Politicians = Psychopaths 99 percent of the time

  5. While the Gulen movement seems to be behind the initial campaign of leaks to destabilize the government enough to make their move into power, I suspect what is happening now with leaks coming from everywhere is that every player with access is joining in the 'fun'.
    As we are talking about Turkey, with it's decades worth of deep-state organisations & their offshoots still running around, that's a lot of potential leaks & leakers...

    1. A-men Ken!
      that is so true (with Turkey)