Sunday, May 4, 2014

It's Hitler.....Hurry up Americans and Intervene

Maybe you recall this tidbit of information? - Social conditioning at work: Mentioning Hitler makes Americans more willing to intervene in Ukraine- 
Contained in this previous post -Here

"Mentioning Hitler makes Americans more willing to intervene in Ukraine"

 Only 21% of those asked in the conventional way favored U.S. involvement in the Ukraine. When this question was preceded by the questions about appeasement and comparing Putin to Hitler, support for U.S. involvement rose to 29%. It didn’t change the overall result — a majority of Americans still oppose getting involved in the Ukraine even after the parallel to 1938 is mentioned — but it does make a difference of about 8%.

Of course this meme was presented by WP in a different context. I  personally detest the overuse of this meme.

But, couldn't resist posting this image- cause other people see things very differently then the NATO media presentation

Oh dear!

That oughta confuse the heck out of the western masses who get their NATO news straight up, daily! ;) 

Sadly, this German/Ukraine leadership link has ties that bind. Thinking of WW2 and the Bandera/Nazi  thugs in Ukraine, present day. Attacking ethnic Russians.

Not RT propaganda ;)
Bandera was a leader of Ukraine's nationalist movement in the 1930s and 1940s, which included an insurgent army that fought alongside Nazi soldiers during part of the Second World War. Bandera's supporters claim they sided with the Nazis against the Soviet army, believing that Adolf Hitler would grant Ukraine independence.
 Bandera did collaborate with the Nazis and receive German funding for subversive acts in the USSR as German forces advanced across Poland and into the Soviet Union at the start of the war.
History repeats


  1. The comments on the story tell it all, the sheeple have bought the story Russia evil, Amerika good. The so-called liberal corp. media doing it's job of spreading false propaganda to Amerikas serfs.

    1. Whew! jo- glad you got the post
      I am in a disgusted sort of, to hell with it mood
      so I though what the heck- the image was to good to pass up
      and knowing how Hitler is used repeatedly to encourage intervention
      Only problem? Yats is the man that the west is propping up
      But others, have valid reasons to connect Ukraine's leadership to the nazi government of germany ww2
      The reference to 'not RT propaganda' was connected to an interview James Corbett did with Roman Skaskiw- who was suggesting that RT was over the top in report the ukrainian nazi connection
      Though even the US media had also reported on those marches and mentioned the ukie/nazi connection
      comments from the previous post will clarify much :)

    2. Hi, Penny,

      I was reading the Saker where I posted that:

      WizOz said...

      @Where-Wolf said... Fans of James Corbett should check this disgraceful interview with Roman Skaskiw

      Coincidentally I watched this interview after I watched a previous one with Sybel Edmonds which made me lose all respect for her. I fully agree with you. Hasbara is very subtle at times, but it cannot fail to unmask herself sometimes. 05 May, 2014 00:22

    3. Sibel Edmonds is highly overrated in my humble opinion
      I listen to her on occasion, but, not too often at all
      As for Skaskiw?? I've already said plenty- "spooky" says it all

    4. It's been a complete turn-off w/ respect to Corbett and his now out-of-the-closet crew. Either these folks are so misty-eyed with idealism about so-called 'neutrality' and equivocation, that they can't tell when they've crossed over into carrying water for the devil.
      Journalism only serves the powerful and obfuscates the real dynamics at work when it seeks to create parity between hegemonic forces of global conquest and those of opposition-to and self-preservation.
      Shame on these fools! This false balancing act will only shatter what credibility these fools have managed to gain thus far. Bye bye chumps, you are now officially on the 'I don't trust you' list of media sources, oh well, so much for the alternative these days.

    5. Hi spinworthy- Agreed the interview as you said, carrying the water for the devil, will have me thinking twice about the information presented by James. For now, I will leave him in the side bar but, will put a caveat emptor beside his name-

      I think I said somewhere else about being on our toes with any info presented

      Maybe James can have the NATO killers in Syria on too.
      Give them a nice soft sell? Same, same. really

  2. There is an irony about Bandera and Banderovtsy.

    "On June 30, 1941, with the arrival of Nazi troops in Ukraine, Bandera and the OUN-B declared an independent Ukrainian State. Some of the published proclamations of the formation of this state say that it "will work closely with the National-Socialist Greater Germany, under the leadership of its leader Adolf Hitler which is forming a new order in Europe and the world and is helping the Ukrainian People to free itself from Moscovite occupation." - as stated in the text of the "Act of Proclamation of Ukrainian Statehood"....
    In 1941 relations between Nazi Germany and the OUN-B soured to the point where a Nazi document dated 25 November 1941 stated that "... the Bandera Movement is preparing a revolt in the Reichskommissariat which has as its ultimate aim the establishment of an independent Ukraine. All functionaries of the Bandera Movement must be arrested at once and, after thorough interrogation, are to be liquidated...On July 5, Bandera was arrested and transferred to Berlin. On July 12, the president of the newly formed Ukrainian state, Yaroslav Stetsko, was also arrested and taken to Berlin. Although released from custody on July 14, both were required to stay in Berlin... In January 1942, Bandera was transferred to Sachsenhausen concentration camp's special barrack for high profile political prisoners Zellenbau...
    In April 1944 Bandera and his deputy Yaroslav Stetsko were approached by an RSHA official to discuss plans for diversions and sabotage against the Soviet Army.
    In September 1944 Bandera was released by [the German authorities] which hoped that he will incite the native populace to fight the advancing Soviet Army. With German consent Bandera set up headquarters in Berlin. Germans supplied OUN-B and UIA by air with arms and equipment. Assigned German personnel and agents trained to conduct terrorist and intelligence activities behind Soviet lines, as well as some OUN-B leaders, were also transported by air until early 1945.
    Despite the central role played by Bandera's followers in the massacre of Poles in western Ukraine, Bandera himself was interned in a German concentration camp when the concrete decision to massacre the Poles was made and when the Poles were killed. According to Jaroslaw Hrycak, during his internment, from the summer of 1941, he was not completely aware of events in Ukraine and moreover had serious differences of opinion with Mykola Lebed, the OUN-B leader who remained in Ukraine and who was one of the chief architects of the massacres of Poles. Bandera was thus not directly involved in those massacres....
    Unlike competing Polish, Russian, Hungarian or Romanian nationalisms in late imperial Austria, imperial Russia, interwar Poland and Romania, Ukrainian nationalism did not include antisemitism as a core aspect of its program and saw Russians as well as Poles as the chief enemy with Jews playing a secondary role...
    Ukrainian nationalistic Jews were welcome in the Banderivtsy, provided they adopted the identity of the Galician Karaites, who were regarded as loyal compatriots...
    When Bandera was in conflict with the Germans, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army under his authority sheltered many Jews and included Jewish fighters and medical personnel. In the official organ of the OUN-B's leadership, instructions to OUN groups urged those groups to "liquidate the manifestations of harmful foreign influence, particularly the German racist concepts and practices."
    His brother Aleksandr (who had a PhD in Political Economy from the University of Rome) and brother Vasyl (a graduate in Philosophy, Lviv University) were arrested and interned in Auschwitz, where they were allegedly killed by Polish inmates in 1942"
    In Auschwitz!!!!

    From non RT sources, i.e. Wikipedia.

    1. thanks for that non-RT source WizOz- because I have no intention of jumping on the demonizing RT bandwagon-
      Why would I, when I have so much NATO media, in my NATO nation to concern myself with- and to be honest RT has done some very good work in general

  3. The Soviets fought the Nazis on the Eastern front for 4 years while the US and British forces didn't open a front against the Nazis until 1944, only when it looked like the Soviet were going to roll over the whole of Europe , as they knew the Allies were secretly 'allies' of the nazis, which is why the US paperclipped loads of them back to the US tout-de-suite after the war and then turned on the Soviets.

    The US and UK lost about 600,000 lives while the Soviets lost something like 25million, and its the USDUK who like to pretend they won the war - chutzpah.


    1. Hi aferrismoon-

      I am aware to some degree of how the Soviet people fought and died against the Nazi's so much so, that IMO it was the Soviet people that won the War and America, via it's propaganda, took the credit and created a bogus mythology surrounding itself
      And then the US did indeed paperclip the worst of the worst out of Germany and into the US.
      I often think about you aferrismoon, in this ongoing geopolitical struggle?
      Does all this cause you concern? For your family? Sometimes it's all so dam foolish and also very frightening.
      What is being said, reported where you are at?

  4. murky forces behind the scenes as in kiev so in odessa

  5. a sample of the western media, here the aptly named VICE news
    VICE News @vicenews · May 1
    Russia is now just mind-fucking former Soviet republics:
    mind fucking what the media does and is expert in. VICE is russiaphobic..
    it was VICEs Ostrovosky who was arrested....they should interned him as an agent of a foreign power

    1. Ostrovosky was arrested and then released but he was beaten- the only one claiming that
      yet showed no bruised and he ugly glasses were intact
      he is full of **it
      I saw some of his reporting on line
      LOL- garbage
      undoubtedly he is doing double duty as so many 'journalists' do

  6. someone tell YAHOO news...Crimea is part of Russia:;_ylt=AwrTWVXoVWZThysAFHrQtDMD ....when Russia has bomberrs flying over Tokyo or Berlin or NY or London ...THEN they can worry

  7. billmon ‏@billmon1 3h
    WSJ helps Pyatt spin his complete lack of evidence of Russian involvement in the most suggestive way possible:
    billmon ‏@billmon1 3h
    Pyatt also told CNN he just can't explain what happened in Odessa. Such a mystery...

    1. He probably couldn't explain about the snipers either ;)

    2. Hi Penny
      Well, lets create a new "Brand" Pyatt Chance
      Meaning, Fat Chance of getting any sense, truth or real information out of him/her/it

      Got to admit it looks good on paper :-)



  8. Nina Byzantina @NinaByzantina · 4h
    Funny thing is, Russian media sites are full of anti-Putin comments, but I see neither banning, nor whining. :) @herodfel @WimLuyckx

    Nina Byzantina @NinaByzantina · 4h
    The way this article painfully reaches shows just how much Western mainstream media is afraid to lose its hegemony. :) @VrezhT @herodfel

    Nina Byzantina @NinaByzantina · 4h
    :) The trend is that if it's pro-Russian, then it's a conspiracy, but if it's pro-mainstream-Western, then it's authentic. @KhalidUmar33

  9. Jihad goes to Ukraine?
    S. Arabia Relocating Takfiri Fighters from Syria to Ukraine
    TEHRAN (FNA)- Saudi Arabia has sent a large number of Takfiri fighters in Syria to Ukraine to fight the pro-Russian protesters in the European country.
    "A large number of terrorist Takfiri fighters in Syria, who bear Saudi and Chechnian nationalities and receive financial and military backup from the Saudi intelligence agency, have been transferred to the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, on several planes to help the Ukrainian army in its fight against the pro-Russian population," an Arab security official told FNA on Sunday on the condition of anonymity due to the secrecy of the issue.

    "The forces have been immediately dispatched to Kramatosk city in Eastern Ukraine, and are now fighting beside the Ukrainian army forces against the pro-Russians under the name of militias who support the government," the source added.

    The source explained that Saudi Arabia seeks to take revenge from Russia and pro-Russian people in Ukraine due to Moscow's support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the war on rebel groups.

    Last Summer, former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar reportedly offered Russian President Putin a deal, saying if Russia abandoned Syria, Saudi Arabia would protect the Sochi Olympics from Islamic terrorists. Putin angrily rebuffed the offer. In January, two terrorist bombings, for which the Saudis were blamed, happened only 400 miles away from the site of the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia.


  10. on the plus side, many commentators on that page seem better aware

  11. PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 1h
    No way out of this town!!! Absolutely everywhere is blocked!!!!
    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 1h
    can't get out of Slavyansk -- all checkpoints in and out city blocked.
    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 1h
    #Donetsk: Ppl r still gathering in front of the local govt building. Barricades seems to be further strengthened
    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
    Taxi waiting down the road and around the corner -- I hope:)
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    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
    Out of grass, making a dash for it onto road -- exposed.
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    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
    Keep slipping in muddy reeds - guys keep shouting to watch out for snipers
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    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
    Half walking / crouching past guy with gun in grass.
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    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
    Ok, we gonna try get out of here. Wanna go check out firing at train station.
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    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
    #Slavyansk:#Keiv forces r reportedly checking citizens passports & tearing some of 'em into pieces.Activists call on locals to make copies
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    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
    Tea and manners and snipers -- surreal
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    PaulaSlier_RT ‏@PaulaSlier_RT 2h
    Guy gets up to let me sit on the only chair.

  12. After awhile it just jumps out atcha ;^)

    Buses and armed guards: Odessa Jews ready for mass evacuation

    who would'a thunk it ?

    snort Between that an the Waterfront state of isreal in Texas I'll be chuckling off and on while working outdoors .

    1. ty karin, for the info
      it seems the jews are leaving because they know the shit is going to hit the fan, see information in latest post

  13. Sounds like the Russians have all their ducks in a row...

    1. Kaspi- same one?
      If so how are you?
      And what has been going on in your neck of the woods
      new leadership,but, any improvement?
      less corruption or different corruption
      still moving towards NATO


  15. Warning, graphic content.
    Here's how it was set up, its in Russian but i tell you narative.
    Provocateurs disguesed as pro-russian+police (with red bands on their hands) provoke football fans to place where peaceful anti government camp was stationed. They get blocked in Trade Union Building where squadron of CIA killers await them. 250 corpses are still missing.

    CIA hiding evedence of their mass murder, trying disguise as if people burnt.

    CIA crimes shouldn't go unknown. Braking lies saves life's. Repost please.


  16. I live in Prague, and generally the press here follows the EU-NATO propaganda. My family lives in the UK, so thanks for your thoughts : )

    There's a comparatively large Russian population here , especially in Karlovy Vary, and I know a few Russians here too,

    No-one wants conflict for sure, but some relate to the Invasion in 1968 and feels some trepidation about Putin, but they don't feel confident of the EU, UK and US.
    Note that the Czech Republic has not gone onto the Euro yet.

    Politically the country is close to Israel.

    There is a vibrant Vietnamese community here and I assume they're somewhat untrusting of US style democracy.

    As often as not the Czech Republic doesn't have a government so its mainly business as usual.


    1. I don't want to see conflict at all-
      I didn't know that the Vietnamese had gone to Czech republic- wow
      I guess you go where you have to when your nation has been destroyed :(
      stay safe :)