Thursday, July 17, 2014

Breaking! Malaysian Passenger Plane crashed (shotdown) in Eastern Ukraine

Holy smokes! If Russia won't take the Ukrainian bait would a false flag be the next move? 
This is exactly, I kid you not, exactly something mentioned as a distinct possibility just yesterday during a real life conversation
So, that freaks me out quite a bit!

And, a Malaysian passenger plane? Another Malaysian plane?
What would be the odds? It's certainly memorable. As in the memories are already embedded in the mass consciousness.- Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 unofficial disappearance theories
My other thought is Malaysian Airlines are not so good and this tragedy is being spun for political advantage
see update #1

I will likely be updating whenever possible- check back in for more news
Today it is MasMH17 crashing in Ukraine

A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board crashed in Ukraine today, the Interfax news agency cited an aviation industry source as saying.

The Boeing 777-200 was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, it said.

Malaysia Airlines has sent out the following tweet: "Malaysia Airlines has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. Last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow."

 The plane was due to arrive in Kuala Lumpur at 6.09am tomorrow.

The Interfax report said the plane came down 50km short of entering Russian airspace.

It "began to drop, afterwards it was found burning on the ground on Ukrainian territory," the unnamed source said.

The plane appeared to have come down in a region of military action where Ukrainian government forces are battling pro-Russian separatists.

A separate unnamed source in the Ukrainian security apparatus, quoted by Interfax, said the plane disappeared from radar at a height of 10,000 metres after which it came down near the town of Shakhtyorsk, reported Reuters.

Meanwhile Bloomberg has reported Ukrainian Interior Minister adviser Anton Gerashchenko on his Facebook confirming that the plane has been hit by a missile and crashed near the eastern town of Torez.
Kiev's fascists are already spinning this was a shootdown!

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 metres when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday. The Buk missile system can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 metres.

[UPDATE 00:01AM] Malaysian Passenger Plane Crashes In Ukraine Near Russian Border – Interfax

A Malaysian airliner reportedly with 295 people on board has crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
Malaysia Airlines said it had lost contact with Flight MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukraine, it said in a tweet.
An aviation source in Moscow told Reuters the plane had been found burning on the ground in east Ukraine.

This can't be good. It really can't be good.
It's clear Kiev is putting forth the narrative with zero evidence of any type. No investigation. No evidence to substantiate Kiev's claim  Malaysian jetliner shot down over Ukraine: official.

The shootdown narrative originates with Kiev. Every news item I read that mentions shootdown is quoting Kiev officials.Very worrisome. Very worrisome.

Earlier reporting from USA today
UPDATE #1- Malaysia was award-winning airline before losing planes

 The apparent crash Thursday of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 is the second major tragedy this year for the airline, which is still searching for Flight 370 that vanished March 8.
 The plane that crashed, a Boeing 777-200, is a similar model to the one that disappeared March 8 with 239 people aboard on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. The search for that flight has focused on the Indian Ocean about 1,000 miles west of Australia, based on intermittent signals that a satellite picked up.
 I have goosebumps.....

This is supposed to be video of the crash? From the Telegraph

Via social media, of course. I don't get a sense that it is a plane crash?
Can anyone help with the translation? I don't know what is being said? Help, please?

 Update # 3 : Why was this plane flying  over Ukraine?

 April/2014 International & US aviation authorities warned pilots and airlines to avoid Ukrainian airspace- Why was this plane there? 

Important questions that have to be asked?
1-How many commercial airliners would be using airspace over a war zone? Particularly after international and US aviation authorities issued warnings to avoid Ukranian airspace?
2- What insurer would knowingly insure a plane that was using airspace over a warzone?
3- Who assigned the pilot the flight path? 
4- If the pilot changed course mid-flight, who instructed the pilot to make the course change?
Aviation safety authorities in the United States and Europe warned pilots in April about potential risks flying in or near Ukraine airspace.
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration issued a "special notice" regarding Ukrainian airspace advising airlines to "exercise extreme caution due to the continuing potential for instability."
International aviation agencies in April also had warned pilots and airlines to avoid the Ukranian airspace.

Obama faces call to act over downed plane

As the world waited for an official US verdict ( An official US verdict?) on who was responsible for downing the plane, defence hawks were already warning that there would be "hell to pay" if Russia or its separatist proxies in eastern Ukraine were to blame.
Excuse me, how can the US issue a verdict without a proper investigation?
Insane McCain-
"If it was a missile that was launched either by Russia or the 'separatists' – which in my view are indivisible – this would have the most profound repercussions," he told CNN.
"It would open the gates, finally, for our assisting the Ukrainians. Giving them some defensive weapons, sanctions would have to be imposed as a result of that, and that would just be the beginning."
UPDATE # 5- H/T Freethinker!

President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - anonymous sources

Pay attention to this headline-  Reports that Putin flew similar route as MH17, presidential airport says 'hasn't overflown Ukraine for long time'

"Presidential airport hasn't overflown Ukraine for a long time"- How long of a time? Since international and US aviation authorities warned pilots and airlines to avoid Ukrainian airspace?
 "I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.
"The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added"

Noticing the similarities?


US Intelligence officials confirm the shootdown "not an accident"

I am not convinced of shootdown. I understand there is a vast debris field which means the plane exploded very high in the sky. This doesn't seem, to me, to exclude explosives planted on board?
Confirming a shootdown- still does not tell us, if correct, who did the shooting.

A Malaysia Airlines passenger plane carrying 295 people was hit by a surface-to-air missile, according to U.S. intelligence officials. Officials were divided over the origin of the missile that hit the plane, which crashed over eastern Ukraine on Thursday.
This is way too convenient. Kiev claims the plane was shot down. The US bolsters the original claim without evidence

UPDATE #7  H/T jo6pac

If Kiev had already declared the south/ eastern Ukraine skies a 'no fly' area- for anyone other then Kiev's planes, then this plane flying overhead would have been a definite concern to the fascist's in Kiev- They may have mistaken it for Putin's plane and shot it down- Or, just the presence of the plane could have been all the justification needed for Kiev to take it down. So, we go back to the question, again, of why this plane was flying in this area? Was it being remotely piloted? It's possible. Either way, the shooting down of the plane, still points to Kiev.
DNR Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin said militias had no radars and therefore could not track planes.
“Let me say that Ukraine declared the south-east a no-fly zone several days ago. And every day they were saying that they were registering some drones or spy planes. Naturally, they wanted to shoot down such a plane to prove Russia’s role in the conflict. Having seen some plane on the radar screen they might have shot it down. So it seems like a provocation,” Purgin said.

If you are reading this, you should know there are two follow ups.
Read em! More info in these three posts then the emotional manipulation/propaganda you will get from the main stream war mongering media

MH-17: An exercise in foregone conclusions?

Israel's brutal Gazan Invasion while eyes are averted to the MH-17 anti-fascist frame up


  1. A similar model to the one that disappeared?
    Twilight zone?

    1. Not just a similar model, but the exact same model. Lets not forget that during the MH370 event that evidence was shown of the same model with Malaysia Airlines paint parked in Tel-Aviv for some unkown reason. Is that plane still accounted for??

      shows 33k ft.

      the Igla or Strela missiles the militia have can not get close to this altitude.

      Reporting of the flight path is not consistent.

      this shows a different location for crash than flight path on multiple fight tracking sites.

      I watched for 20 min. watching flight paths of aircraft around the combat area of east Uk. I can confirm that aircraft are definately diverting around the combat area.

      At the same time, Anton Geraschenko said on his Facebook page that the plane was targeted from the air defense missile complex "Buk".

      RIA Novosti is citing its source who said that Kiev indeed deployed “Buk” in the Donetsk region.

      Buk can hit up to 46k ft. at 30km away.

      Ukrainian Army Buk Missile Likely Downed Malaysian Plane

      The forces of Donetsk People’s Republic assumed control of A-1402 military base," the militia's representative said. According to him, it is an anti-aircraft missile forces facility equipped with Buk mobile surface-to-air missile systems.

      So, we can not confirm anything yet except something crashed. How we do not know. It could be a false flag event using the plane from israel. It may be an accident by Kiev forces. It could even be a mis-identified target and shot down by the militia. We don't know.

      But we can see the reaction of the players. West immediately blames Russia and does not really tell us anything cause they always blame Russia. But, the fact the impact area is different from the flight path, that plane would have to have made a 80deg left turn and then fly 60km in a straight line after being hit to crash at the location claimed by west. Seems a but unlikely to me.

      From flight tracking sites we see the plane was near the dnieper river. This would be too far away for the militia forces at their know location to reach that plane with a Buk missile. Kiev does have them in this area.

      When I originally viewed this site, flight path was included in the data. Now it is missing.

      To me it appears they are editing data to show the plane was flying farthur east so they can blame the militia or Russia. This kind of hints towards Kiev shooting the plane down. It may be a mistake or intentional, I don't know.

    2. The exact model and questions about the flight path?
      I updated the post to point out the fact that warnings were issued in April, so months ago, for planes to NOT overfly this area
      " Aviation safety authorities in the United States and Europe warned pilots in April about potential risks flying in or near Ukraine airspace.

      The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration issued a "special notice" regarding Ukrainian airspace advising airlines to "exercise extreme caution due to the continuing potential for instability."

      International aviation agencies in April also had warned pilots and airlines to avoid the Ukranian airspace"

      Therefore, no commercial passenger planes would be flying over this area because NO insurer would insure the plane
      So why was this plane where it was, other then to be targeted?

  2. Departed from Amsterdam? That's Schiphol airport, a MOSSAD hotspot for intrigue, drug running, assassins, white slavery ops and other gangster behavior.

    Well, at least they got the world's attention off the IDF Navy blasting those four kids to pieces.

    1. Hey Greg

      Thanks Schiphol airport.
      I embedded a video from the Telegraph, it implies this is the plane crash,but, I just see a black smoke cloud
      I can't understand the language so, no clue what is being said?
      I am a bit freaked out by this, I got to admit this
      Don't know if Russia has said anything about this, but, as you point out,, look at the timing and Malaysia again?

  3. like a beatnik on the bongos

    braindeadgoy still shop at malWart

    and using a map couldn't find the Congo
    oy vey, oy vey already


    1. I don't shop at walmart???

    2. the news cycle Penny...

      24/7...the Lie Factory...

      eventually the Language must be pure..Truth

      Not BS...
      Like Greg said...

      "Well, at least they got the world's attention off
      the IDF Navy blasting those four kids to pieces

      they got script writers and producers and actors
      the whole nine yards

    3. got ya!
      the 24/7 lie factory-
      yes, they did get attention off of that, but, I am afraid this may indicate worse things yet to come :(

  4. Better check the engine numbers and make sure it's not Flight 370.

    What would a passenger jet be doing flying over a hotly contested ground war anyway?

    Add in the Kiev IM screaming on FB that it's the Ruskies and I smell FALSE FLAG.

    1. How would one do that Greg?
      I know, I know, you would think the plane would have made a detour, makes no sense
      and yes, Kiev automatically started the russia shootdown narrative
      I mean, hell, an investigation should take weeks to determine what actually happened- with plane reconstructions etc
      this smells bad!

    2. Penny as per Greg; Amsterdam is a wide open ops barn door. I've been writing for several years that there is a big ChiComm false flag involving a chinese airliner getting taken down, outside Changi lets say. MH370 and MH17 are preps for this although as per usual they kill several false birds with one stone. Take the brain dead away from Gaza, muddy the Russian question further and make air travel even more difficult. The meme about SE Asian air travel needing ChiComm overwatch is reinforced again today.

      ChiComm Marines have been paid for by the banksters and excercised continuously. They need a mission in Malacca.

    3. thanks incoming
      comments are temporarily unmoderated for this post - trolls will be deleted without hesitation
      I am looking for info, translation and the likes
      a community effort is required :)

    4. On the possilble Schipol false flag track. There is a photo and comment that could be one of the typical calling cards:

      "One passenger aircraft Boeing-777 airlines Malaysia Airlines, which crashed in Ukrainian airspace before flying posted on Facebook photos of the liner. Picture he escorted the comment "If he lost, this is how it looks."


    5. Penny the vid commentry seems to be small talk about where the aircraft seemed to have come down. For an aircraft, burning and disntegrating, falling from 30,000ft there is no debris fall evident in that vid.

      If it was a Buk system we are looking at a 5 min minimum before launch and a shed load of ancilliary vehicles on the ground even if it is the new wheeled system and not the old tracked type. That means ELINT would have picked up the illumination of the target easily and Ukraine is knee deep in ELINT.

      Big NATO exercise just finished off the coast down there on Sunday.

    6. thanks incoming, much appreciated

    7. Got the spanking brand new UK Foreign Sec. calling for a UN investigation this morning and placing UK air accident investigation branch at their disposal.

      BTW Ukraine shot down SibAir1812 over a decade ago, so they have form.

      I also believe that a NATO AWACS keeps a 24/7 watch over the Ukraine and Donbas so any radar lock on would have been monitored. Bearing in mind that the "authorities" sniff the air 24/7 here in UKplc one can assume that every squeak from an EM source will have been monitored in the area. We wouldn't want a nuke/nuclear facility falling into ISIS/Chechen/Merc hands off script now would we!

  5. Dear Penny,
    It is way too early to call this one, although I am personally convinced that the Ukies did it, probably by mistake, but it could be a pretext to bring in NATO for "protection". Let's wait and see what happens, the picture should become clearer in the next 24 hours.
    Kind regards,
    The Saker

  6. Hi Saker
    I am willing to call one thing on this incident
    Russia did not shoot the plane down. Of that I am sure.
    I am also having difficulty thinking that this could have been a mistake on the Ukies part, due to the height at which passenger planes generally fly etc
    But, am not certain, of course of that aspect
    Only of the fact it was not shot down by Russia

  7. still looking for help with the video?

  8. It was reported that "a Ukrainian army battalion of Buk air defense systems was deployed near the city of Donetsk a day before the crash of a Malaysian passenger plane on Thursday, making the downing of the aircraft by one of the missiles highly probable, an expert source said."

    "According to reconnaissance data, a Ukrainian army battalion of Buk air defense systems was deployed near Donetsk on Wednesday morning,” the source said.
    The source added that armed militia fighting Kiev-led forces in eastern Ukraine does not have Buk systems, which are capable of shooting down aircraft flying at altitudes up to 25 kilometers (82,000 feet).

    Earlier the same day, adviser to the Ukrainian Interior Minister wrote on his Facebook page that a Buk surface-to-air missile system was indeed used to down the plane, but insisted that the self-defense forces had done that.


    1. thanks anthony
      if you come across anything else relevent, please leave it
      still hoping someone can tell me what is being said in the video?

  9. Hi Penny,
    What makes you so sure that there is no way that the Russians could have done it even by mistake?
    The Saker

    1. I just don't think so, is all.

    2. The crash site was miles from the Russian border. The Russians have high quality radar. They are aware of the conflict situation. The plane was a Boeing cruising at 10,600 metres so there was not threat. The Russian civil aviation authorities would have been waiting for the plane to enter Russia air space. The Russians know that the west is trying to provoke them on a daily basis. They will be extremely careful before taking any action.

      This crash has the hallmarks of the satanic west all over it.


    3. Hi Anthony
      I am still trying to figure out what the hell the plane was doing in this area, at all!

    4. What makes saker suggest russia may have?!
      Porky would be making such suggestions

  10. Hi Penny,

    I can't translate the video, but this video was shown this afternoon as being witnesses of what at the time was thought to be another AN-26.

    The people shooting the video must have witnessed / heard the crash and were then pointing their camera in the general direction. You can hear the voices rise as they first see the smoke.

    One thing I noted was the cloud cover, which was pretty dense. I don't think the militia have the weaponry to shoot down a plane at 10,600 metres (although the Ukranians do) and I can't imagine how the militia on the ground could identify a plane at that height and shoot at it through the clouds without radar assistance.

    The reports of the Ukranians deploying BUK missile launchers in the area yesterday are very damning. The militia have their solitary SU-25 which carried out it's first mission last week. The Ukranians must have responded with the deployment of the BUK missile battalion, which had been unnecessary until now due to lack of air threat, but they are operating without radar in a war zone.


    1. Regarding the cloud cover. There is of course the possibility that the plane was not shoot down, but blown up explosives planted prior to take off.

      It is now critical that neutral experts get to the crash site, but that could be wishful thinking given that it is located in a critical area of the current conflict.


    2. but blown up explosives planted prior to take off.

      I think that is a definite possibility, but, now the US is bolstering Kiev's narrative, with no investigation, which disturbs me because this is coming off as too contrived

  11. No word about strelkov here?

  12. Yesterday, the IDF Navy brutally murdered four Gazan kids and today, the IDF shelled and murdered three more Gazan kids, so no, Israel wouldn't be so low as to use a False Flag to take the heat off their Gazan war crimes, right?

  13. There is a story that the NSDC National Security and Defense Council of the Ukranian government reported half an hour prior to the crash that the militia had come into the possession of weapons systems that could shoot down targets at high altitudes.

    Coupled with the deployment of the Ukranian BUK battalion earlier in the week, the Ukranians are looking guilty as sin.


  14. Was Putin, returning from BRICS meeting in Brazil, the target?

    President Putin's plane might have been the target for Ukrainian missile - anonymous sources

    "I can say that Putin’s plane and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and the same echelon. That was close to Warsaw on 330-m echelon at the height of 10,100 meters. The presidential jet was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time,” a source told the news agency on condition of anonymity.

    "The contours of the aircrafts are similar, linear dimensions are also very similar, as for the coloring, at a quite remote distance they are almost identical", the source added.

    1. thanks freethinker I am going to add this item!

  15. Wow to freethinker's comment! Just holy sh*t! to consider that might have been a possible scenario.
    Penny, have you seen this:

  16. Hi Penny,

    In respect to your surprise about an apparent change of course of the Malaysian airliner into the combat area, perhaps it is worthwhile to remember that the consensus of opinion regarding the previous Malaysian airliner tragedy was that it also made an abrupt change of course before 'disappearing'. I think that by now it is common knowledge that planes of any size can be flown remotely (even landed remotely), and I am sure that a remote take-over of the plane's controls (which cannot be reversed by the cabin crew) would be easy to program into the plane prior to take-off. This is one of the theories regarding the previous Malaysian Airline tragedy.

    And, quite apart from all of the verdant bouquet of theories regarding the passenger list, etc. of the first Malaysian Airline crash, it is probable that the 'exceptionality' hubris of the United States has had reason to hold a massive grudge against the Malaysian government. After all, it was the only government in the world to hold a tribunal which tried and convicted ex-president George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo of war crimes. If any of these individuals ever enter Malaysia, they will be imprisoned. That precedent is strongly resented in White House.

    The third piece of the puzzle is that if the blame for this present crash can be pinned on the Russians, that would strongly benefit the 'rebuild the Cold War' campaign. Perhaps the Ukrainians puppets were, for these reasons, ordered to shoot down the plane so that this false flag attack could be blamed on the Russians, but the rocket attach was slightly premature, so the plane unfortunately crashed on Ukrainian rather than Russian territory.

    Just a few thoughts,


    1. thanks RMG
      you make a very good point there

      " I think that by now it is common knowledge that planes of any size can be flown remotely (even landed remotely), and I am sure that a remote take-over of the plane's controls (which cannot be reversed by the cabin crew) would be easy to program into the plane prior to take-off. This is one of the theories regarding the previous Malaysian Airline tragedy."

      A very good bunch of thoughts, indeed
      thanks RMG

  17. One possible reason for this downing is to take the focus of the media off the fact israel just launched a ground invasion of Gaza.

    I don't believe in coincedence.

    I can also confirm the fight path data has been midified on flight tracking sites. I wish I took screen shots. The flight paths I had seen prviously showed the same entry point into Uk. and turned south just east of Kiev. The plane flew along the dnieper river just a few miles east of it. About 90-100mi due west of Donetsk on a flight path of 175 flight data ceased. But now things show a straight line from the Uk. entry point on a 130 heading to east of Donetsk and disappearing.

    something does not match here... ?!?!

    1. Paul if you can find any of that information that would be so great
      Or links?
      Much appreciated!

    2. The MH17 flight I witnessed on fightradar24 made a rapid descent to 24k ft, changed its id to an air canada flight, made a 180 turn and landed in kiev.

      This plane was piloted by a private contractor from italy. The flight plan for this aircraft now id as air canada was listed as a regular flight from donetsk to kiev.

      there are no flights from donetsk to kiev by air canada. air canada is not registered as having any traffic at all at donetsk.

      in fact I can not find flight info for any flights departing donetsk and I think the airport is currently shut down due to the battle all around it.

      flight path data on this air canada flight starts with a 180 deg. right turn right where the original malaysian flight data stops and continues to kiev. there is no airport where the flight path starts and it starts at 24k ft and descending.

      so which plane crashed??

      Am I seeing a fake plane crash blown up in the air with already dead passengers?? Will we get dna results from the bodies? I hear the militia got their hands on the data recorder. I hope they give it to the FSB so the serial number can be found out. or was it switched before takeoff?

      If the real flight did turn around and go to kiev, what will happen to the real passengers?

      If the real plane crashed, what was the purpose of the shadow plane?

      will post when I find more.

    3. Paul: The donetsk airport is indeed closed and has been for a bit now.
      Air Canada eh? Hmmm.......

    4. "Already dead passengers".

      That is just what the militia have reported from the ground.


      "According to the people who collected the bodies, most of corpses -" stale "- people have died and several days ago. For complete accuracy of this information can not vouch - of course, you need forensic conclusion. "

      - Someone else should fly a plane, leave that including it would be impossible. Version with a plane full of corpses, exciting, of course, but somehow can not see sense.

      "First of all, not all people on the plane were dead before the fall.

      Secondly, the plane was discovered a large quantity of drugs, blood serum and other things, which is not typical for conventional liner. It seems that there was a medical special-load.

      Third, no not insist on anything (yet). Literally just now talked to two people personally collected the bodies immediately after the fall (both - of Shakhtersk and arrived at the scene in less than half an hour after the accident). With their words and write. They stressed that many corpses were "entirely bloodless" - as if the blood curled long before the disaster. Also noted the strongest and putrid smell, marked by many locals - this odor in any weather for half an hour could not be formed, and the weather was overcast yesterday, not too hot.

      Fourth, himself with extreme suspicion concern to all kinds of "conspiracy theory", but 18 of our soldiers poisoned chemistry in position in Semenovka, shooting family members of militias and other "small pleasures Svidomo patriots" have convinced me that the Ukrainian authorities are capable of any meanness.

      Pilots, of course, were quite alive - the whole cabin (and the front end is well preserved) was literally flooded with their blood. "

  18. I am busily updating the post. I need to read through the comments here and put some of them into the post.
    Thanks for all the info, everyone :)

  19. An additional thought regarding the crash of the second Ukrainian Airlines plane. Such accidents, even involving airlines which have a prior impeccable safety record, can have a catastrophic impact on the airline involved. Canadians well remember the crash of the Swiss Air flight, years ago, off the coast of Nova Scotia. Shortly after that crash, Swiss Air went into bankruptcy. I have never read any sabotage theories regarding that crash, but I think sabotage/false flag, could certainly be involved with the Malaysian Airlines misfortunes.




  22. Yes penny you may like to read a book on Coincidences because the warp and woof of life is made up of strange and uncanny associations

  23. Shock therapy to get the masses by way of media outrage to hang up on russia : using innocent passengers . The nadir of political machievellianism

  24. Australian mainstream media are already stating that 'the plane was shot down by Russian rebels' as an established fact, and then going on to victim stories...
    No questions, no background, no investigation - even the fact that the 'rebels' are Ukrainian not Russian - & have to be by definition - is put out there without even the slightest sense of logic or self-awareness.

    And while Australia is a special case - having the most concentrated media ownership in the Western world (Murdoch basically owns everything) - I suspect most other Murdoch owned press across the world are doing the same.

  25. Thanks very much to Penny and to all the others who have been contributing here.

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  27. Random russian dude from SyrPer.
    Just a few facts for you guys to anylize.
    1.Rebels\Strelkov ONLY official website - icorpus(.)ru. No bragging of shot down AN-26 planes there. DNRPRESS - twitter. All other social media reposters could be probable provakatures that post 90 truth and 10 infowar.
    2.There were reports of rebels capturing broken part of buk system 26 june -9 july. Part of it(read below).All photos illustrating it from 2009-2012.
    watch 3.12 - its a fucking piano. 1 driver 3 operators (just on main part)
    second, lock on and targeting partС18М1-1 andС510 command and control unit. Also there is transportation-munition loader and repair and service unit. BUK is a system, i doubt it can be repaired or operated by rebels without DIRECT russian involment.
    4. UKR has 27 BUK systems in area, protecting armored divisions from russian threat of "no fly zone".
    5.SBU video of separatist communications (the original one) is cut from 4 piecies, using original and fake voices - but refering to different accidents of rebels shooting down planes below 3km mark. Also it was created 16.07 at 19 o'clock -

    Summ - i think it's a governments work, either russian or ukranian.
    I am depressed, cant take sides in all this. world is shithole.

  28. From the beginning I suspected this was a false flag. I waited until pictures of the "crash" site were posted. The first thing I noticed was the lack of burnt bodies and parts of bodies in several pictures of the wreck. The one picture that showed dead passengers (about 7 or 8) mad no sense. They were all located outside the perimeter of the burned area looking very pink and fully clothed. No burnt clothing or bodies. The Daily Mail showed the bodies as they were but as of this morning they are blurred out.