Friday, July 18, 2014

MH-17: An exercise in foregone conclusions?

Readers here will notice that I use the term "narrative creation" in relation to main stream media news items that feel as if they are being used to point us in a specific direction.  Or to get us to accept an impending finale.
Think of narrative creation in this way. We have characters (players) and we have events (happenings), that will converge in such a way that the conclusion we are supposed to draw is the conclusion that we have been prepped for prior to the final act taking place.

This past week we have been treated to a narrative that has informed us all  that the anti-fascist rebels allegedly have the means to take down airplanes at high altitudes. Alone or with the help of their claimed interchangeable partner- Russia. This narrative, repeated and reinforced has never been substantiated. 

Take for an example the downing of An-26?

From previous post- Timeline: Downing of An-26 supply plane 

We were told to believe that this plane was shot down at a high altitude by either the anti-fascists or Russia.
However, there was no reason to believe those claims coming out of Kiev.

H/T Anthony who left this link - BBC
However, defence analyst Charles Heyman, who edits a book called Armed Forces of the European Union, questioned the likelihood of the plane flying at high altitude.
 "I doubt the transport plane was flying at 6,500m," he said. "That doesn't make sense. The higher you fly, the more it costs, and the plane would have had to be pressurised. It was probably shot down using Sam-6 missiles owned by the rebels, which they have quite a few of."
 The plane was not flying at 6,500 m. The plane was shot down by the antifascists, as they themselves claim, at a lower altitude-

 Kiev claimed they were going to put forth irrevocable proof of this plane being shot down at high altitude by antifascists or Russia.... but Kiev never did.
Covered in this post-  Russian/Ukrainian News- Moscow shows damage/Ukraine kills civilians and more Quoting from the WSJ article
 Ukrainian security services chief Valentyn Nalyvaichenko on Tuesday said Ukraine had compiled "indisputable evidence" implicating Russia in the attack.

"The president has issued instructions, and by the end of the day, an investigation will be completed and irrefutable evidence will be prepared complete with maps," he said, the Interfax news agency reported.

As of late Tuesday, the report hadn't become public.
So no evidence given by the Kiev fascists. Just unsubstantiated claims. 

Or, as I am proposing the creation of a narrative. That goes something like this.........

Anti fascists or Russia, interchangeable, for this narrative.( Interchangeable for all propaganda purposes according to Kiev, the Obama administration, NATO and NATO media etc.???)
Getting back to the narrative being created all this week
*Anti fascists fighters /rebels  aided by Russia have been shooting down planes flying at high altitude.
*Therefore these same groups/partners shot down the Malaysian plane

Kiev immediately began spinning the conclusion they had been prepping the audience/reader/viewer/consumer for all this week. The US came out last night and bolstered the foregone conclusion.
foregone (ˈfoːgon) : a foregone conclusion a result that is so obvious that it can be seen before it happens
Though neither Kiev or the US has any evidence whatsoever for their 'conclusions'? The question that begs asking is how could either nation  legitimately conclude this narrative with no evidence to support their claims?

That all said.-  The fact that Kiev and the US are pushing this foregone conclusion after a week long promotion of a specific story line  is highly suggestive of advance knowledge of this final act.

 I will have more information posted on MH-17 as soon as possible.

For background as this tragedy unfolded refer back to yesterday's post and the information in the comments section.

Breaking! Malaysian Passenger Plane crashed (shotdown) in Eastern Ukraine


  1. Here's a comment which I left over at Kenny's:

    Judge for yourself the authenticity of the following. The translation from Spanish to English is mine:

    ✈ Carlos.

    PARA VER HAY QUE MIRAR. ✈desde una posición privilegiada, ATC (Air Traffic Control) Borispol, Міжнародний аеропорт Бориспіль (
    Kiev. Ukraine
    Joined August 2010
    TO SEE YOU HAVE TO LOOK. ✈from a privileged position, ATC (Air Traffic Control) Borispol

    [Tweets starting at 8:17 AM - 17 Jul 2014]

    Malaysian passenger plane with 280 passengers and 15 crew members crashed in Ukraine, near Russian border

    Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos
    Kiev authorities intend to make it look like an attack by the pro-russians

    Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba
    Be careful! Kiev has what it was looking for

    Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en kiev
    They've returned to take the kiev control tower

    Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT
    Kiev, has what it was looking for, I said so in the first tweets, kiev is responsible

    Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro
    They're going to take our phones and other things at any moment

    Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por kiev
    Before they take my phone or break my head, it was downed by kiev

    Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información
    What are foreigners and kiev authorities doing in the tower? Gathering all the information

    El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,
    The B 777 plane flew escorted by 2 ukrainian fighter jets until minutes before disappearing from radar

    Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza
    If the kiev authorities want to tell the truth, it is known that 2 fighter planes flew very close minutes before, but the plane wasn't downed by one of them.

    Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?
    As soon as the B 777 Malaysia Airlines plane disappeared the kiev military authorities informed us that it had been shot down, how did they know?

    Down the memory hole:

    Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!

  2. fixing the 'intelligence' to support the political agenda?

  3. Few things:
    1. The planes that were blanked in Austria in mid June via NATO exercises vs. deviated flight plan and other alleged reports of flankers and another plane in vicinity doing 80 degree turn after MH17 lost and circling to Kiev

    2. Massive US naval presence via exercises in the Black Sea - said to be most ships since cold war

    3. The AN-26 shot down is said by the rebel commander in briefing that it wasn't a missile rather was shot down on landing like the other transport a month or so ago that killed something like 49. Is it reasonable that given the debris field of the MH17 that the entire crew of the downed transport was able to bail out as per this article?

    4. On July 14an an article about the US losing the information war. Probably pretty relevant here. "NATO, visibly shaken by the effectiveness of Russia's information campaign during the Ukrainian crisis, is now looking for ways to counter Russia's media campaign over Ukraine, the Financial Times newspaper reports with reference to UK Ambassador to NATO Adam Thompson.

    1. the article linked in 3 doesn't say they bailed out?
      (can you define 'bail out'?)
      so we are on the same page?
      Just says there were rescued.

      doesn't mention bailing out either- which I am assuming to mean parachuting out
      but, would rather be clear then not

    2. From the captioned picture: "People pose on July 14, 2014 while standing on the wreckage of a Ukrainian AN-26 military transport plane after it was shot down by a missile in the village of Davydo-Mykilske, east of Lougansk near the Russian border. The Ukrainian military said on Tuesday, July 15, 2014, it had rescued four crew members of a transport plane shot down over rebel territory, while two more were being held by insurgents and another two still missing. -- PHOTO: AFP"

      Did the jump? Presumably the plane wqas disabled they decided to jump and ditch?All possible? Maybe someone with better read on the An-26 could comment on probability of escape - all of them given altitude - rebels say it was shot down on landing which would mean low altitude not the hgiher ups claimed - whcih provide fodder for MH17 development

      Also to #1
      A total of two jets of the Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) were on combat duty in the airspace over Romania and Poland Thursday at the moment the Boeing 777 jet of the Malaysian Airlines crashed in highly controversial circumstances in eastern Ukraine, a NATO source told ITAR-TASS.

  4. Penny just one other contraindicator worthy of note here.

    MH370-No one knows anything for sure. No definite radar tracks or plots. No ATC commentary. No flight tracker. All in a heavily trafficked region.

    MH17 EVERYTHING seems to be known by the Rovian injectors into the reality based community.

  5. Interesting youtube video about the timing of the released audio between the Russian official and the antifascists. Very similar to last year's released audio of the Syrian government chemical attacks.

  6. on ATC carlos

    Jorge Alberich Anuchin
    18 hrs ·
    Buenos días a todos!
    Me gustaría dejar nuevas cosas en claro respecto a información sobre el vuelo Malasya Airlines 17 (MH 17)
    1. @spainbuca (cuenta suspendida por Twitter) – Es real; verificada con IP de Ucrania. Esta persona tenia doble nacionalidad (Española y Ucraniana); Muchas páginas web afirman barbaridades respecto a el SIN TENER PRUEBAS.
    2. A través de varios servicios confidenciales y privados, existen análisis de la cuenta de @spainbuca; por lo que actualmente descartamos lo que va por Twitter: “@spainbuca es un fake” – La cuenta era real; y los datos en ella también!
    3. Me han informado a través de varias fuentes lo siguiente: Me afirman que USA mando una orden a Twitter Inc. para eliminar la cuenta de @spainbuca por motivos “desconocidos”.
    4. Existen señales de varias personas que trabajan para empresas de “http” que confirman que USA mandaba órdenes a Ucrania (Kiev).
    Bueno señores, eso era todo de lo que podía informar. Las fuentes de información son confidenciales.
    ‪#‎Ukraine‬ ‪#‎spainbuca‬ ‪#‎Kiev‬ ‪#‎MalasyanAirlines17‬ ‪#‎MH17‬ ‪#‎Boeing777‬
    Good morning to all!
    I would like to make new things clear regarding information about flying Malaysia Airlines 17 (MH 17) 1. @spainbuca (suspended by Twitter account) - is real; verified IP of Ukraine. This person had dual nationality (Spanish and Ukrainian); Many websites say terrible things about the without having evidence.

    2 on several private and confidential services, there are analysis of the count of @spainbuca; by what currently rule out so far on Twitter: "@spainbuca is a fake" - the account was real; and the data in it also!

    3. I have been informed through various sources as follows: claim Me that it uses command order to Twitter Inc. to delete the @spainbuca account for "unknown" reasons.

    4. There are signs of several people working for companies of "http" confirming that USA sent orders to Ukraine (Kiev).

    Good gentlemen, that was all that could inform. The sources of information are confidential.

    #Ukraine #spainbuca #Kiev #MalasyanAirlines17 #MH17 #Boeing777 (Translated by Bing)

  7. meet carlos, ATC at Kiev airport, now who knows where he is...this site hasnt blurred his image and now hes missing, nor will i