Wednesday, September 24, 2014

The Kurds: Israel's not so improbable ally

Interesting article from Standpoint magazine

Focusing on the history between the Khazars and the Kurds............
While Israel's relations with its neighbours remain deeply problematic, its ties with the Kurds have for years helped nurture a military force that has proved itself more resilient than the US-funded Iraqi army. For years Israel's relationship with the Kurds was kept secret, but gradually the issue has cropped up more and more in interviews in Israeli media and in academic reports.
The Kurds constitute the world's largest stateless people. There are 30 million Kurds, mostly spread across Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey. They have been seeking a state of their own for centuries.
Although the links between Jews and Kurds go back centuries, the substantive roots of the relationship go back to the 1930s, when a Jewish journalist stationed in the Kurdish part of Iraq and writing for the Palestine Bulletin began making contacts with local activists.
Years later, that journalist, Reuven Shiloah, became the first director of Mossad, Israel's external intelligence agency.
By the early 1960s, following the outbreak of the Kurdish rebellion against the Iraqi Ba'ath party's Arabisation policies, Molla Mustafa Barzani, father of the current Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani, held talks with Israeli officials
These meetings were facilitated by Savak, the Shah of Iran's notorious intelligence service, whose agents had been trained by Israel, the US and the UK.
These days, the Israeli officials involved in those talks paint the relationship as a marriage of convenience that somehow blossomed into a love story. But in reality, realpolitik demanded cooperation. Israeli cooperation with the Kurds was motivated by the fact that Iraq had been an enemy state since Israel's founding in 1948. The ability to gather intelligence from inside Iraq was too good to pass up.
More broadly, cooperation with the Kurds was part of Israel's general foreign policy direction during the 1950s, the principles of which were articulated well before the establishment of Israel by its future leader, David Ben-Gurion. The Arabs were "the primary enemy of the Zionist movement", wrote Ben-Gurion in the 1930s, and in order to counter-balance this, Israel would need to form other allies from among those who oppose "Arab nationalism".
Ben-Gurion also deemed it important to make allies from those minorities who had been oppressed by the Arabs. After 1948, his ideas evolved into policies, as Israel sought allegiances with non-Arab countries which bordered the Arab world — Iran, Turkey, Ethiopia — as well as those beyond, including countries in Asia and Africa. The Kurds fitted the criteria.
For Israel, one of the other key benefits of co-operation with the Kurds was the human link. As a result of the relationship, Israel was able to ensure the safe passage of several thousand Jews fleeing Iraq. Meanwhile in Israel more than 100,000 Kurdish Jews pressured the government to help their brethren and relatives.
I have always come away with a feeling of  the concept of the Kurds as a stateless people, being contrived, in the same way as the Jews were alleged to be stateless and in need of a theocratic state just for them. The Kurds are NOT stateless. They live in a number of states. Iraq. Iran. Syria. Turkey. So they are not stateless. I find the claims of them being 'stateless' suspect and convenient for the creation of a new nation state from the destruction or theft of others. Everything I read, just reinforces that suspicion. Of course, I could be mistaken....
Professor Ofra Bengio of Tel Aviv University, an expert on Israeli-Kurdish relations, notes in a recent article for Middle East Quarterly that military supplies were delivered from the late 1950s. In the early 1960s, a permanent Israeli representative was dispatched to Kurdish Iraq. A field hospital was tentatively established. As relations increased, so did military cooperation. Weapons supplies, ranging from small arms and ammunition to anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles, began streaming into the region, often through Iran which, together with Turkey, was the first Muslim majority state to recognise Israel when it was established and continued being a close ally until 1979.
In time, Israel also began providing military training to the Kurds, and helped establish Kurdish intelligence cells, information which proved very useful for strategic planners in Jerusalem. But in 1975 disaster struck, in the form of political betrayal. Saddam Hussein, then Iraq's vice-president, reached an agreement with the Shah of Iran which put an end to Iran's arming of the Kurds and by extension to Israel's, as the latter relied on the Iranian land route for transport. The Kurdish rebellion was halted. Iran's reasons for agreeing were that Baghdad promised to define the international border between the two neighbouring countries — who less than six years later would become embroiled in a long and bloody war.
"The Shah had sold the Kurds out, like Chamberlain in Munich," said Eliezer Tzafrir, the Mossad bureau chief in Iraqi Kurdistan, who was left with just hours to make a hurried getaway. "We were in a big hurry to burn papers," Tzafrir recalled in a recent interview with the US magazine Tablet. "I had to get out of there before the Iraqi army turned me into a kebab."
Whether Israel's support of the Kurds stopped completely in 1975 and when exactly it resumed is not clear. But in 2005 Sargis Mamikonian, a scholar at the Caucasian Centre for Iranian Studies in Yerevan, Armenia, wrote that information provided by Savak and from Kurdish sources may have furnished Israel with intelligence used to carry out one of its most daring missions — to destroying Iraq's nuclear reactor.
"It is plausible to conclude that Israeli intelligence, thanks to its contacts with Kurdish sources and former Savak agents, had obtained valuable location and identification data (although aerial reconnaissance was more important in this particular case) for the Iraqi Tammuz-1 nuclear reactor at Osirak, which the Israeli Air Force bombed in June 1981," wrote Mamikonian.
Such cooperation turned to ashes following the Iranian Revolution of 1979 and the ousting of the Shah. In a grand role reversal, the Kurdish territories of Iraq and Turkey may have been used to conduct operations in the newly-established Islamic State of Iran, notes Mamikonian, citing papers from the US embassy in Tehran.
Israel's cooperation with the Kurds in other countries also proved problematic after 1979. The Kurdish guerrilla leader Abdullah Öcalan fled from the Turkish authorities and was granted asylum by the then president of Syria, Hafez al-Assad. Öcalan allied himself closely with the Palestinian Liberation Organisation, which was at the time in a state of war with Israel. Even if Öcalan had proved to be amenable to Israeli overtures, Turkey — at the time a close ally of Israel — regarded Öcalan's Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) as its number one enemy.
After 1979, Israel was largely unable to cultivate open relations with Kurds in Iran and Syria. The Israeli-Kurdish ties had remained a well-kept secret until 1980, when Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin openly declared that Israel was supplying the Kurds with military advisers, weapons systems and humanitarian aid.
The next known major manifestation of the ties at the human level came a decade later, following Saddam Hussein's brutal crushing of Kurdish uprisings in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Saddam's chemical weapons attacks killed thousands, and Israel's Kurdish community launched protests, demonstrations and relief operations for their brethren in Iraq.

For a short while, the Kurds and Israelis even faced missiles from the same source when both were subject to Saddam Hussein's attacks, just before and during the First Gulf War in 1991. The missiles were deflected from Israel's economic and business capital Tel Aviv by the prematurely operationalised American Patriot system and hit the nearby town of Ramat Gan instead. The irony escaped no one: Ramat Gan boasts a large Iraqi population, which led many wryly to conclude that Saddam Hussein was once again bombing his own people.
Since the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the subsequent establishment of a de facto Kurdish state, relations between Israel and the Kurds have become easier and more open. Writing in the New Yorker, the well-known American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reported that he was told that in 2003 the Israeli government, under the premiership of Ariel Sharon, decided to expand "its long-standing relationship with Iraq's Kurds and established a significant presence on the ground in the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan", in order to "minimise the damage that the war was causing to Israel's strategic position".

As a result extensive ties have flourished, Hersh maintains, with Israel training Kurdish forces to operate to the level of its most secretive commando units, the Mistaravim. "Some Israeli operatives have crossed the border into Iran, accompanied by Kurdish commandos, to install sensors and other sensitive devices that primarily target suspected Iranian nuclear facilities," wrote Hersh. He then quoted a former Israeli officer as saying: "Look, Israel has always supported the Kurds in a Machiavellian way — as balance against Saddam. It's realpolitik." He added: "By aligning with the Kurds, Israel gains eyes and ears in Iran, Iraq, and Syria."

Although Hersh's claims have been vociferously denied by Israeli officials, Kurdish leaders have come out publicly to confirm the existence of a relationship with Israel. In 2005, the Kurdish regional government president Massoud Barzani stated publicly: "Relations between the Kurds and Israel is not a crime since many Arab countries have ties with the Jewish state."  Three years later, the Iraqi president and head of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, Jalal Talabani, shook hands with the then Israel defence minister Ehud Barak.

In recent years, the Middle East has undergone dramatic changes, from the Syrian civil war to  the recent spread of the radical jihadist Islamic State in the region, which have indirectly resulted in the Iraqi Kurds gaining a wider independence for the Kurdish state. In Syria, the Kurds, for the first time in the country's history, have created a Kurdish-controlled area.

Developments have been even more dramatic in Iraq. In June 2014, the Iraqi army was chased out of the Sunni-held area of Iraq by the oncoming IS militants, who quickly took over the country's second biggest city, Mosul. More than 300,000 refugees from Mosul and beyond have fled to the Kurdish region. At the same time the Iraqi Kurds managed to gain control of and begin administering the oil-rich Kirkuk region.

Even before the rise of IS, neighbouring countries had been quick to identify business and economic opportunities. After IS appeared, this expanded into other areas. "These states' pragmatism and realism had told them that the spectre of another non-Arab, non-Turkish and non-Persian entity in the region pales against the real dangers emanating from their Arab and Sunni brethren," wrote Professor Bengio.

"Paradoxically enough, the country that went the farthest in embracing the Kurdish entity was also the one that had been the most vociferous against it: Turkey, which has become the midwife for a Kurdish state in Iraq with oil and gas as foundations for a strategic partnership that Turkey seems to see as a stabilising force on its own borders," Bengio noted in a recent article in Tablet.

In June 2014, Turkey agreed an unprecedented 50-year deal with Kurdistan in order to allow the passage of two oil pipelines and one gas pipeline through its territory, enabling the independent export of energy. In June, crude oil from Iraqi Kurdistan was delivered to Israel, and there are reports of a further delivery in August.

In the same month, Israel's prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu openly declared his support for an independent Kurdish state. "We need to support the Kurdish aspiration for independence. They deserve it," he said. Israel's then president Shimon Peres and foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman have also reportedly raised the issue in meetings with President Barack Obama and secretary of state John Kerry.

While the Iraqi army proved itself to be merely a "hollow shell", the Kurdish military force, the peshmerga, with more than 350,000 troops, has proven itself to be "a vastly more capable partner", says Dr Jonathan Spyer, senior research fellow at the Global Research in International Affairs Center in Herzlia. "That is why so many countries are now queuing up to try and supply the peshmerga with arms, because they think that if someone has to try and stop the continued eastern advance of the Islamic State, then the peshmerga would be a good candidate for that."

While Baghdad sweats over IS fighters carving up its territory, new shopping malls sparkle in Erbil as international businesses continue to flock to the region's de facto capital. A referendum may soon follow. Describing a recent trip to the Kurdish region in Iraq, Dr Spyer notes "an inevitable sense of moving towards [a referendum] that was almost palpable and tangible". Regardless of the outcome, Israel seems set to continue to play a role behind the scenes.

Despite the recent setbacks occasioned by IS, most notably in the crisis around Mount Sinjar, for the first time the Kurds have achieved self-determination in two out of the four states in which they are present .

The quick-moving sands of the Middle East have shifted once again. Now Turkey and Israel stand once again at odds with one another, the Iraqi government is an Iranian proxy, and the US and Iran appear to be edging closer together. Out of the rubble of devastation in the region we may yet witness the birth of a Kurdish state, to which Israel has been a helpful, if self-interested, midwife.

26 comments:

  1. Hi Penny,

    Apparently there is a theory that Ashkenazi-Levite Jews and Kurds share a common heritage.

    Anthony

    http://kurdishdna.blogspot.de/2013/12/ashkenazi-levite-jews-and-their-iranian.html

    "Ashkenazi-Levite Jews and their Iranian origin Part II

    Previously, I mentioned that I believe that the term "Ashkenazi" is ultimately derived from the Iranian name "Ashkan", the founder of the Parthian Empire (still called 'Ashkanian' (اشکانیان) Empire in Iranian languages).

    I already showed that the Ashkenazi Jews share a lot genetic markers with Kurds:
    mtDNA HV1b2 was found within Ashkenazi Jews and one Yezidi Kurd;
    the Y-haplogroup of the Kurd N91920 is J1c3 and he shares the SNP L817+ with the J1c3* Jewish Cluster A. Thus, the closest and the only Middle Eastern relative of the J1c3* Jewish Cluster A is a Kurdish individual.
    The R1a1a Ashkenazi-Levite cluster shows similarities to the STR data of a Kurdish individual.

    A new publication in Nature comes to the same conclusions about the R1a-M582 Ashkenazi-Levite cluster, it is not East European, it is not Khazarian, it is Iranian."

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    1. Would it also explain the tight Israeli-Azeri relationship. The latest drone shot down sent from Azeri???
      http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/27/iran-general-says-alleged-israeli-drone-came-from-northern-country-once-part/

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    2. Hi Anthony

      It seems the 'jews' are everything but the people presented to us in the bible?
      I find this all very contrived- Even the genetic aspect of this? Are they Khazar/Kurds going to finally decide their one people and displace everyone else from the Middle East? Oh wait a minute? There does seem to be something like that already ongoing...... Hmmm....

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    3. don't know about the azeri connection?

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  2. Here is something.
    Libya: Sources: Libya asks chemical weapons watchdog to remove stockpile
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/africa/2014/09/24/Sources-Libya-asks-chemical-weapons-watchdog-to-remove-stockpile.html

    From NYT Feb on the apparent destruction of Libya stocks
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/world/africa/libyas-cache-of-toxic-arms-all-destroyed.html?_r=0

    ??

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  3. ISRAEL-CHINA DEAL
    Wednesday, 24 September 2014

    http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2014/09/israel-china-deal.html

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    1. Jewish Faces in Chinese Government

      http://jewishfaces.com/china.html

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  4. Some of the bodies of those tortured and murdered by Ukranian forces were found to have no internal organs. Now which state is generally involved in that kind of action?

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1411575091

    "A detailed examination of bodies found in the graves of civilians killed, who left during the retreat of Ukrainian soldiers, we found that some of them have no internal organs. "

    Yesterday the militia discovered the burial of bodies of civilians in Lower Krynka. After a cursory inspection, it became clear that civilians were treated inhumanely aydarovtsy: many bodies hands tied behind his back. Their victims natsgvardeytsy finished off shots at close range.

    Among others, the burial found the body of a pregnant woman, shot in the head. Her hands were also bound. Nearby lay the body of a young man. In the second burial, presumably, there are bodies of prisoners militias: clearly visible signs of torture, murder scheme is the same: hands tied behind, shot in the head."

    Anthony

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    1. Of course we know Israel is heavily involved in organ trafficking, trade and worse. I have a post somewhere on the blog about them being involved in just about every bit of dirty dealing when it comes to exploiting humanity.

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    2. Also Anthony
      I saw some of the news regarding the attrocities, sigh.

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  5. For you my dear:

    http://www.wildboar.net/music/artists/tomdarilek/songs/illusionsahead/ifyougot/ifyougotthemoneyhoney.html

    Great little tune ;)

    Buffy

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  6. I guess this explain why there a huge cia base near the Kurds. Thanks

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  7. Penny,
    If you want to really see how Israel has been supporting the Kurds as of late look no further than the WINEP - the powerful Israeli lobby/front group - website and their advocacy they have given the Kurds over the years especially as concerns carving their own state out of Iraq. They hosted some Kurd bigwigs back in a news conference this last June demanding that Kurdistan be made independent and armed to the teeth so that they could fight the ISIS state. WINEP is like AIPAC but some say even MORE influential in the US if you can believe that.

    Also, over today at ZH which used to be a site to go for information you see them parroting the RIDICULOUS line as put out by the WSJ that all of this is really - surprise surprise - the Saudis plan.

    ZH is a libertarian site so the full-spectrum propaganda message - both "edgy" left and right are covered - that it's the Saudis behind ISIS and that Israel/Zionist are just no where to be found is been pushed hard.

    Likewise, btw, MOA has been officially cleansed which is shame because it previously had been a site of value . The conversation as of late there is dominated by a known Zionist idiot - somebody - who with the others spend their time dancing around the issue of ISIS without ever mentioning the Israeli monster. It's sad really.

    Cheers



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    1. "JustObserving", a ZH commenter, nailed it:

      "All this talk about Saudis leading the war against Syria and Assad is classic misdirection. All the Arab rulers are US vassals. What permission do you need from your servants?

      Obama gets his orders directly from Israel. In March 2009, Obama handed over US sovereignty to Israel on a silver platter by giving it access to all data collected by the NSA, including that on Americans, without any legal restrictions. It is no surprise that in the land of the free no politician or editor has dared comment on this treason. The New York Times even refused to even report this story.

      If America is at war killing Muslims, it is usually at the behest of Israel. Every other purported reason is a lie."

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-25/look-inside-secret-deal-saudi-arabia-unleashed-syrian-bombing#comment-5254929

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    2. From Xymphora:

      Thursday, September 25, 2014
      He's back!
      "A Look Inside The Secret Deal With Saudi Arabia That Unleashed The Syrian Bombing"

      You'll note that the argument is utterly circular, and therefore nonsense of some kind. The proposition is that the United States had to do what the Saudis wanted - attack Assad - in order to get the Saudi support required to have a united front in order to be able to do what the Saudis wanted! And why would the Saudis want to help Qatar pump gas to Europe? Aren't Saudi Arabia and Qatar at odds these days? Despite attempts to paper it over, the rift is extremely deep, one might say theological.

      It is the Jewish billionaires and Israel who are behind this, explaining why Barry uncomfortably soldiers on with an obviously stupid and doomed War For The Jews. the dual purpose of which is to complete the Yinon plan for Iraq and weaken Hezbollah - so Israel can steal Lebanese land and water - by separating it from Iran.

      The only interesting part of the posting is at the end, the official return of Bandar Bush!

      http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2014/09/hes-back.html

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    3. The WSJ article is almost perfectly timed prop piece. Of course the Saudi article is misdirection (Congressional report redaction, 9-11, etc). Note the following:
      1. Flaring of the Yemen conflict on the Saudi border including the recent rumors of attempts to blow up the PM via a "tunnel" (rebels in Syria fort, Hamas etc).
      2. The ongoing Saudi-Iranian detente and what would appear to be determined efforts to kill such dialogue
      3. The invocation yet again of the alive then dead Bandar just like the Olympics Chechnya (disinfo?) stories in an open attempt to pit the Saudis against the Russians (the Saudis are funding the Egyptian arms purchase)
      4. The Saudi rush to arm up the Lebanon army and corresponding efforts by the US to play fierce catchup as the Israelis continue to talk up the coming "next" war
      5. The Saudi statement on the strikes yesterday made perfectly clear that it was participating to unseat Assad (which must be separated in part from the bigger KSA picture)
      6. The mad US effort to fuel an oil war and crush both Saudi and Russia budgets - the IMF mouthpiece has relentlessly pounded a doom and gloom deficit story about KSA and the IEA has hammered the US shale revolution relentlessly.

      KSA like Turkey/Erdogan - who Voltairenet portrays as fighting a grander battle - is playing a dangerous and very binary game. Voltairenet should come out and reject the WSJ piece on the demerit that it once again invoked a dead person by their own sourcing. KSA (or some faction inside it) is sure to lose this dalliance - just like Maliki was disposed of - but for making a more concerted and overt break - like the half measures such as the Wapo editorial on peace talks going around the US, a GCC .mil force and most critically monetary union (pegs break).

      So the question: what pulled the Saudis along? Was it pure vendetta without considering the bigger picture? Very Doubtful. The Saudis know full well who is behind the Qatar funded insurgents looking to destabilize the Kingdom/UAE. The Saudis know whose planes hit the rebels in Libya (Egypt Sissi denied any part of it as would be expected). The Saudis read the NYT and the Hez/Iran comments about ISIS being US/Israel backed. Remember the The Saudis warning after the Aramco hit not to buy US/German/Israeli hardware? KSA surely took note of the ISIS threats on the oilfields of the Kingdom if the 30K troop deployments and rumors of Pakistan deployments are taken seriously. The Saudis also read the Wapo stories about the US rapid reaction teams ready to take down Pakistan (or are they Saudi) nukes? The Saudis understand Yemen strategic depth and the US moves going back to OBL tie in. The Saudis are reading up on MERS and Ebola.

      Evidently like Japan and Germany, there appear to be factions rowing in different directions. That much is clear from the surprise death of Brotherhood hating crown prince Nayef in the thick of spring. Nayef son has just skyrocketed up to head Interior.

      All of these considerations - including the US incou8ntry drone base and those facilities surrounding the Kingdom on every border explain better than anything the ongoing leadership shuffle and inter-generational fight.

      It is what the WSJ isn't talking about that matters.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/16/saudi-crownprince-idUSL5E8HG2RI20120616

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    4. Yup, it's good that some people are FINALLY seeing the light but kind of cold comfort as those led around by their noses - i.e. believing in this misdirection - vastly outnumber those who have been paying attention.

      Additionally, I've commented before on all of this MSM "noise" vis a vis the redacted 28 pages of the official 9/11 report that SOMEHOW the completely Zionist US Congress critters and MSM have ALL OF A SUDDEN started harping on and on about.

      How they're all just championing for free speech and for the release of the info that's going to implicate the Saudi rulers and not just the Al-CIAda Saudis 13+ years ago, right?

      So, let me get this straight: the same people who give the murderous war criminal Netanyahu standing ovations, the same people who regularly vote 535-0 concerning the apartheid genocidal state of Israel and the same people who won't say a SINGLE WORD against said pariah state THEY are trying to tell us that it's really been the SAUDIS all along who have been the REAL bad guys, the ones behind all of this balkanization stuff, huh?

      Makes perfect sense, huh?

      Just like how there was not mention - much less investigation - of Israeli/Mossad involvement during 9/11 and prior to those events, huh?

      Nope, it was all the Saudis once again.

      Stupid.

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  8. Iran RG has troops on ground in Irbil and claims to have held off ISIS. Same place as the US drone base expansion.
    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Sep-24/271836-iran-general-helped-iraqs-kurds-battle-isis-group.ashx#axzz3EFPF17Dx


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  9. More about why Kurdistan is vital for the implementation of Oded Yinon plan:

    The Jewish Roots of Kurdistan
    The history of Judaism in Kurdistan is ancient. The Talmud holds that Jewish deportees were settled in Kurdistan 2800 years ago by the Assyrian king Shalmaneser. As indicated in the Talmud, the Jews were given permission by the rabbinic authorities to allow conversion from the local population. They were exceptionally successful in their endeavor. The illustrious Kurdish royal house of Adiabene, with Arbil as its capital, was converted to Judaism in the course of the 1st century BCE, along with, it appears, a large number of Kurdish citizens in the kingdom (see Irbil/Arbil in Encyclopaedia Judaica).

    The name of the Kurdish king Monobazes (related etymologically to the name of the ancient Mannaeans), his queen Helena, and his son and successor Izates (derived from yazata, "angel"), are preserved as the first proselytes of this royal house (Ginzberg 1968, VI.412). [But this is chronologically untenable as Monobazes' effective rule began only in CE 18. In fact during the Roman conquest of Judea and Samaria (68-67 BCE), Kurdish Adiabene was the only country outside Israel that sent provisions and troops to the rescue of the besieged Galilee (Grayzel 1968, 163) - an inexplicable act if Adiabene was not already Jewish]....

    After these events (crushing of Bar-Kochba revolt), the split became geographical. The militant Jews headed south to Jordan and Southern Arabia, eventually founding the Jewish State of Himyar (the Biblical Sheba) in what is now Saudi Arabia and Yemen, still retaining the name "Iudean" or what has come down to us as "Jews". They practiced a modified form of nationalistic Judaism that was eventually transformed into Islam by the Prophet Mohammed. The Rabbinic Jews moved first east, then north and eventually to Babylon...

    When the Arab conquest began in 637 CE, the large and ancient Jewish and convert community of Kurdistan favored and even assisted the Arab advance in the hope that it would afford them deliverance from Sassanid persecution. Shortly after the Arab occupation some Jews expelled from the remains of the Jewish State in Himyar (what is now Saudi Arabia) settled in Kufa....Because of heavy taxation on cultivated land, a unique change occurred in the Jewish community. For the first time a small minority of Jews left agriculture and concentrated in the larger towns, especially Baghdad, Basra and Mosul where they became traders and craftsmen. The peasants, however, intermarried and became the core of what we call today "The Kurds"....

    This is just a cursory glance. For more info http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/kurds.html

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  10. thanks for all the comments, everyone :)
    wiz oz interesting little bit of history, and I will check out the link

    what I am thinking...rolling around in the head
    Is if Kurdistan kicks off, it's obviously going to be a powerful petro state
    Since the Kurds and Khazars have ancient ties and are both converts to Judaism- sharing a long, long history together and since the converted Khazars- modern day zionists clearly despise the Arabs

    "The Arabs were "the primary enemy of the Zionist movement", wrote Ben-Gurion in the 1930s, and in order to counter-balance this, Israel would need to form other allies from among those who oppose "Arab nationalism".

    Then Israel will happily ,even joyfully, destroy Saudi Arabia, even though the Saudi's have kissed Israel's ass for decades- but with Kurdistan the usefulness of KSA is nil
    And Israel can take the land for itself, eventually

    thoughts?

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  11. btw. reading that page only reinforces my feeling of the kurds being somewhat contrived

    I think of a people as having similiar
    language
    religion
    looks
    traditions

    The Kurds are as disparate as the Israeli's were before moving into Palestine

    Though all usurpers of Palestine had the same religion they didn't have the same language or traditions- Mainly speaking Yiddish and bringing with them traditions from Europe

    The Kurds-
    different languages
    religions
    looks
    obviously they would have different traditions
    (just thinking of the Yazidi people in this instance)

    Kurds seem to be a mixed bag of ethnicity, so.... aargh, it;s just confusing really

    from wiki

    "The usage of the term Kurd during this time period most likely was a social term, designating Iranian nomads, rather than a concrete ethnic group"

    all these years later we are somehow supposed to believe they are a 'concrete ethnic group' in need of a land of their own?
    Is it any wonder I get this Khazar vibe from them? Why not just call them Khazars?

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  12. The Jews: The world's phantom in the operating system.

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  13. I have always come away with a feeling of the concept of the Kurds as a stateless people, being contrived
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    Well, then US revolution should be reversed, so Americans can once again be subjects of the Queen, and how about destroying and denouncing any Confederate legacy, cause them scoundrels were double traitors not only wanting their own country while under British Empire, but also while being part of USA....

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  14. Yes, Israel's relationship with Kurds was kept secret for years. Why? Because for years Israel wants an Independent Kurdistan
    http://forward.com/opinion/israel/201681/why-israel-wants-an-independent-kurdistan/
    In short, Israel, in fact, is a secret Kurdistan's ally!
    http://indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/world/2015/12/523280.html

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  15. Ha! Recently it has been found that not only Israel keeps secret relations with Kurds. It develops that Germany is staying secretly supportive of Kurds, too.
    https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/germanys-staying-secretly-supportive-of-the-turkish-kurds/

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