Thursday, December 11, 2014

CIA Torture/Human Experimentation = Manchurian Candidate Creation

This story, from Washington Post today, caught my eye. Reading the piece linked below it is clear that Washington Post is spinning this as that "learned helplessness" theory created by Seligman.
 But this one tiny paragraph suggests so much more. What happened to the man specifically mentioned below goes well beyond 'learned helplessness' It would only make sense that there were several  more experiments going on besides  'learned helplessness' . It appears as if learned helplessness is the one being acknowledged. However, past behaviour being the best indicator of present behaviour, it would make much more sense that the CIA was conducting multiple experiments!

Headline "The Principle Behind the CIA Interrogation Methods"

First of all, I really have to be clear, these human experiments appear to have had nothing to do with interrogation. As in gathering information for the prevention of crime or terror attacks.
  The media is not calling this human experimentation, but that's exactly what it is!  The media is choosing instead to label this mass human experimentation in terms that might be more palatable or acceptable to the perception managed masses.
  To be sure these doctors and their inquisitors were looking for information. Information into the human psyche and human consciousness. Hoping to gain an insight into how better to manipulate and manage humankind. This tiny snippet from Washington Post suggests to me, the CIA experimenters were successful

 With the backing of the CIA, he was stripped and exposed to loud rock music. Then, after weeks of psychological interrogation, the Senate report said Zabaydah became “compliant.”

“When the interrogator ‘raised his eyebrow,’ without instructions, Abu Zabaydah ‘slowly walked on his own to the water table and sat down,’” one account said. “…
When the interrogator snapped his fingers twice, Abu Zabaydah would lie flat on the waterboard.”
He had been trained.

Yes, he had been trained. Trained to respond in a specific manner to specific signals.
 Clearly MKULTRA never went away.. MKULTRA Hypnosis and Manchurian Candidate Projects

In his MEMORANDUM of 11 May 1953 Sidney Gottlieb lists seven separate experiments conducted by Alden Sears, and gives the number of subjects for five of them, totaling 196 subjects.  Experiments were concerned with:

Experiment 1 - N - 18  Hypnotically induced anxieties to be completed by September 1.

Experiment 2 - N - 24  Hypnotically increasing ability to learn and recall complex written matter, to be completed by September 1.

Experiment 3 - N - 30  Polygraph response under Hypnosis to be completed by June 15.

Experiment 4 - N - 24  Hypnotically increasing ability to observe and recall a complex arrangement of physical objects.

Experiment 5 - N - 100  Relationship of personality to susceptibility to hypnosis.

Experiment 6 -                The Morse Code problem with emphasis on relatively lower IQ subjects than found on University volunteers.

Experiment 7 -  Recall of hypnotically acquired information by very specific signals.

Abu Zabadayah definitely acted based on acquired information via specific signals.
Raised eyebrow. Snapped fingers. Signals given which Abu Zabadayah responded to in a hypnotic fashion -slowly walking on his own- to be further experimented on. To push Abu Zabadayah as far as he could be taken- Likely to the very destruction of that which made him human. Reducing this innocent man to a living, but not alive, flesh shell.

Abu Zabadayah's fate?

More than 12 years after his capture, Zubaydah remains confined to the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. He has yet to be charged with any crimes under the government's military tribunals -- a limbo predicted in 2002 by CIA terror experts, according to the Senate report.
In a 2002 email to CIA headquarters, the CIA's interrogators said they wanted assurances that Zubaydah would never be allowed to publicly describe what they were doing to him, recommending that he should "remain incommunicado for the remainder of his life."

Pt 2- CIA Torture as an opportunity for human experimentation!

CIA Torture Report- Why not mention CIA doctors & Human Experimentation?



  1. if they had achieved these in the 50's , wonder what's the current state of art techniques ?

    *Miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to "kill" [deleted] for failing to awaken. Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [deleted] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep.*

    zombies could be activated by a code word...
    * two female subjects took part in an exercise involving the planting of a bomb. Both subjects performed perfectly and were fully amnesic for the exercise: "[Deleted] was instructed that upon awakening, she would proceed to [deleted] room where she would wait at the desk for a telephone call. Upon receiving the call, a person known as "Jim" would engage her in normal conversation. During the course of the conversation, this individual would mention a code word. When she heard this code word, she would pass into a SI trance state, but would not close her eyes and remain perfectly normal and continue the telephone conversation*

    *P. Janet asked a "deeply hypnotized female to commit several murders before a distinguished group of judges, stabbing some victims with rubber daggers and poisoning others with sugar tablets." The subject did all these without hesitation. [30] MC 160*

    *A US State Department report suggested it was possible to induce a heart attack in a person from a distance with radar. [79] MC 172*

    what'd they think of next ?

    1. Hi denk

      I too wonder what the current state of techniques are? And also what is it they are interested in finding out- If they knew in the 50's they could have people recall specific information based on specific signals given then they have to be pushing the experimentation even further.... So what could the evil ones have been looking for?

  2. What is amazing to me is how the media is spinning this all
    These doctors taught the CIA to torture. lol. They most certainly didn't
    No information was gained. Plenty of info was gained
    And other nonsense- the media always misdirecting...
    Always doing their job for the elites

  3. hello penny

    there'r many *lone wolf* killers who behaved like mkultraed zombies ,
    they claimed to hear *voice commands in their head* , hmmm

    mkultra as torture tool...

    *Naomi Klein states, in her book The Shock Doctrine, that Cameron’s research and his contribution to the MKUltra project was actually not about mind control and brainwashing, but ‘to design a scientifically based system for extracting information from “resistant sources.” In other words, torture’. And citing a book from Alfred W. McCoy it further says that ‘Stripped of its bizarre excesses, Cameron’s experiments, building upon Donald O. Hebb’s earlier breakthrough, laid the scientific foundation for the CIA’s two-stage psychological torture method’.” This method was codified in the infamous KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation Manual” published by the CIA in July 1963, and in the Human Resources Exploitation Training manual – 1983 that was used in CIA training courses in Latin American countries up until 1987. These manuals describe methods of psychological torture, far more potent than physical torture, to elicit information from “resistant sources.*

    the voice from god in your head...
    remote controlled robotic killers ?

    *A brief survey of some of the scariest products known to be in the arsenal of the secretive alphabet agencies arrayed against John Q. Public are such devices as the Neurophone, patented by Dr. Patrick Flanagan in 1968. It converts sound to electrical impulses which can be delivered from satellites. When aimed at individuals, the impulses travel directly to the brain where the sounds are re-assembled and appear to be voices inside the head, which can be perceived as coming from God, or telepathic aliens, or whatever. Or the sounds can come out of a turned-off TV or radio. Through software, he device can mimic anyone’s voice and translate into any language.
    It is believed that the CIA, DIA, NSA et al use the Neurophone to deliver threats and propaganda to selected targets, or just to torment someone they don’t like. One can imagine the possibilities. Could this explain some of the killings by “psychopaths” who say they were instructed by God, such as Mark David Chapman, David berkowitz, or Sirhan Sirhan? If they had been previously evaluated through sophisticated personality assessments and groomed by LSD or hypnosis, such voices could easily tip the balance and convince them to kill.*

  4. the use of torture for mind control or manchurian/zombie candidates has more to do with inducing trauma and causing psychological breaks or splits in order to manipulate a 'personality' within a person
    Colin Ross, again

    Regarding Ewan Cameron via Naomi Klein.. I wouldn't agree entirely with her theory
    It's a bit simplistic and is likely only a piece of the big picture.

    Ewan Cameron really did appear to be trying to erase a personality and create something new (amongst other goals)

    I will agree with the connection she made between the two
    from this article

    Naomi Klein opens her book by making a connection between Ewen Cameron's psychiatric shock experiments at the McGill University in the 1950s, with the torture at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib.

    This declassified CIA interrogation manual was used throughout Latin America in the 1960s and was heavily influenced by Donald Hebb and Ewen Cameron's mind control experiments at McGill University. Many of the sensory deprivation techniques described in the manual later resurfaced at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

    If they achieved their aims way back when.... they have to be onto something else at this time

    btw: 9/11 appears in one aspect to be a trauma inducing mind control episode
    induced trauma on a massive scale/ causing mass trauma and fear after which the 'saviour' promoted the solution to make the masses 'feel better'

    1. when mohamad mehsud, a reportedly highly dangerous ,fervently anti american fanatic, was released from gitmo back in 2003 even while aussie taliban david hicks was still rotting in that hell hole, lots of people were asking why ?
      when mehsud went on to target chinese nationals instead of the *great satan*, folks were wondering *has he been turned* ? [1]
      was mehsud given an offer that he couldnt refuse, or was he subjected to mind control in gitmo ?
      turns out that our suspicion wasnt too far off, there was a special facility in gitmo, code named *peny lane*, where they reprogrammed *terrorists* like mehsud into cia patsies. [2]


      *An anti-American Islamic fanatic is arrested in Afghanistan, flown to Guantanamo Bay and then released back to Afghan authorities. He’s supposedly seething with anti-Americanism. But after crossing the border and returning to Pakistan, his first mission is to kidnap and kill a Chinese engineer.


      Mehsud was anti-American. Or was he? We haven’t seen him target any high or low profile American assets since the famous 2004 kidnappings. But he has single handedly done what others failed to do: he effectively scuttled Chinese help in a major Pakistani development project.*


  5. And before I went to the link- I knew it had to be the Port at Gwadar
    sure enough.....

    Penny Lane

    "Penny Lane is in my ears and in my eyes"

    On the corner is a banker with a motorcar
    The little children laugh at him behind his back
    And the banker never wears a mack
    In the pouring rain, very strange

    The pretty nurse is selling poppies from a tray
    And though she feels as if she's in a play
    She is anyway

    Penny lane is in my ears and in my eyes
    There beneath the blue suburban skies
    I sit, and meanwhile back
    Penny lane is in my ears and in my eyes
    There beneath the blue suburban skies
    Penny Lane

    Suddenly Penny Lane seems a different song..... Very strange?

    Interesting article via niqnaq!

  6. *Why such a ferocious individual was deemed fit for release in 2009 is not known. One possible explanation is that he was one of thousands of suspected insurgents granted amnesty as the US began its draw down in Iraq. Another, though, is that rather like Keyser Söze, the enigmatic crimelord in the film The Usual Suspects, he may actually be several different people.*

    or more likely alqaedas-new-poster-boy-abu-bakr-albaghdadi went thru a *re-orientation program* just like mehsud ,faik, there could be another penny lane franchise in bucca camp ?

    1. Hi denk
      you know I thought about what you said and yah, it is entirely possible that a whole army of 'reoriented' persons is being created

  7. Hi Penny, you and the readers should be aware that Sidney Gottleib was not his real name, the man intel dubbed "The Black Sorcerer" was actually born Joseph Scheider. As with all things CIA and intelligence in general, this should come as no surprise, as agents and assets often use cover names. - Sidney Gottleib

    1. Thanks HHQ- I did not know that Gottleib was a fake name- It's interesting to know how many of these so called doctors are followers of judaism...