Monday, May 4, 2015

Turkish Military Puts Brakes on Syrian Intervention to Focus on Mosul?

This post does require your commitment of just a bit of time, in order to go back and read some previously posted info- Hey, I never said being informed was passive. Nope, being informed is involved and requires time and energy- But, if I can do it, then you can too!

Before you read the latest news story linked below-

I want to remind readers that previously, in order to secure Turkish involvement in an attack on Iraq, Paul Wolfowitz visited Turkey & Turkey set down some conditions for involvement- This bit of history was mention in a two part post written late 2014:

The information specifically pertaining to Mosul can be found in Part 2
The conditions for Turkey's involvement in the immoral destruction of Iraq

    The Turkish position toward the United States was listed under four main headings to Wolfowitz:

   " First, meet our economic losses from such an operation; second, any new Iraqi regime should be accepted by the Iraqi people; third, Turkey opposes any independent Kurdish entity in northern Iraq; fourth, the rights of Turcomans should be guaranteed, and Kirkuk and Mosul cannot be left to the hands of the Kurds"
As we understand and I mentioned in that older post- Wolfowitz and the Zionists betrayed the idea of a unified, stable Turkey.
In Part 2, I had also included an additional link to this article- The Fall of the Would be Emperor
Good reading, so go back and read it, if you haven't already!
In order for the Zionist/Israeli expansion plan to come to fruition, including the creation of Kurdistan, Turkey as we know it, will exist no more- Could the possible demise of Turkey be the impetus for Turkish involvement in Mosul as opposed to an invasion of Syria?
Keeping that thought  in mind read the news of the day below:

Turkey: Syrian military operations unlikely
There has been a recent surge of news stories and commentary in the Turkish and foreign media that Turkey might launch a military operation against Syria and Iran. For example, the Huffington Post ran an article claiming that a joint Turkey-Saudi military operation is possible in Syria, based on sources knowledgeable about Qatar-brokered senior level contacts between Turkey and Saudi Arabia to put together a regional Sunni alliance. Another commentator claims that events have passed the point of possibility, and Ankara is already preparing for a military intervention in Syria to create a buffer zone there.
In an April 30 Milliyet article, “The Headline: Turkish soldiers in Syria,” Asli Aydintasbas links these claims to the approaching June 7 general elections. She wrote that she has been hearing backroom whispers that the Sunni alliance of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait is preparing to occupy Syria. She concludes her article by asking, “Will Ankara take one more step and move to create secure zones inside Syria in the coming months or even weeks? Will Turkish newspapers, busy with upcoming elections, suddenly hit the newsstands with the banner headline 'Turkish troops in Syria'”?
Another explicit claim along these lines was heard from Dengir Mir Mehmet Firat, former Justice and Development Party (AKP) deputy chairman and current parliamentary candidate for the pro-Kurdish People’s Democracy Party (HDP). According to Firat, failure by the HDP to pass the 10% election threshold in Turkey could lead to serious tumult. Firat bluntly warned, “If the AKP government and [President Recep Tayyip] Erdogan, mired in corruption, feel in danger, they will not hesitate even to start a war with another country to delay the election.”
Given the implications of these claims, all eyes are now on Ankara. Al-Monitor spoke to several security sources, all of whom requested anonymity. They all said that for the time being, the possibility of a ground operation against Syria or Iraq is not on the table in Ankara
Turkish soldiers monitor the border as they stand guard near the Akcakale crossing in Sanliurfa province, southeastern Turkey

One source also said, “If these claims had any truth to them, I wouldn’t be in Ankara today, but either on the Syrian or the Iraqi border.” According to this source, both the Turkish army and the air force are in principle against major operations in Syria and Iraq. He said, “For today, the realism of the military is the best braking system we have in front of our political decision makers.” He added, “Neither Turkey nor the Turkish military could live with the results of an intervention of the Turkish military, with its conventional land and air elements in the military quagmire of Syria. Conventional troops cannot survive in Syria without the support of Syrian opposition forces, whose allegiance is never clear.”
This source listed four major risks in a possible ground operation against Syria:
    It would totally wreak havoc on Turkey’s border security, which is already experiencing serious structural and legal problems, and would transfer the clashes in Syria to Turkey. The source said, “Just think of the logistics flow to units that will enter Syria. That traffic alone will snarl the border even more.” Another source told Al-Monitor, “The minute the Turkish army crosses the Syrian border, the security of the Turkey-Syria border will decrease to zero.”
    The Turkish military is not keen on cooperating with Syrian opposition groups. (Because many of the so called opposition groups are Kurds, and they would be less then cooperative with Turkey) An intervention would definitely require more cooperation with radical Islamist groups, which would further harm Turkey’s already tarnished global image and heighten the perception of a country supporting terrorism.
    The shortest prediction in Ankara for an end to the Syrian crisis is another two to three years, so an intervention could mean a long-term engagement for the Turkish army inside Syria.
    Such an operation could compel the Turkish military to cooperate with the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), the Syrian extension of the Kurdistan Workers Party, which currently dominates areas of northern Syria. The military’s reaction to reports that it had cooperated with the PYD during the evacuation of the Tomb of Suleiman Shah from northern Syria was a reflection of that concern.
Another expert offered a similar analysis. He said there is no likelihood of a conventional military operation against Syria, and no preparations are being made for such an eventuality. He said, “Today we only focus on border security. If Turkey had wanted to enter Syria, we could have done that during the exchange of our hostages from the Mosul consulate or during the evacuation of the Tomb of Suleiman Shah.”
Given these two assessments, the question that comes to mind is whether Turkey will play a more active role in a major operation the US-led coalition is said to be planning to liberate Mosul from the Islamic State (IS).
According to experts, some sort of active involvement in a Mosul operation seems, for historical, political and strategic reasons, more logical to Turkish political decision-makers than an operation against Syria. Historically, Mosul is usually cited as “unfinished business” because it is within Turkey’s famous National Pact, which is embedded in the collective memory of the Turkish public and holds symbolic significance to the national identity. That is why Mosul, politically, is be a more logical target for Erdogan than Syria. For Erdogan to complete a job that modern Turkey’s founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, left unfinished, and to go down in history as the “Conqueror of Mosul,” would accrue immeasurable domestic policy prestige.
There appears to be no strategic impediment that would prevent Turkey from engaging in a Mosul war. The AKP has warm relations with the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG), which has already established a de facto administration in northern Iraq, and with its gains in recent years has taken major steps toward transforming itself into a de jure administration.
Sources in Ankara believe that the KRG is insisting that Ankara take a more active military role in combating IS in Iraq. Such an amplified role would also be a counter to Iran’s growing and disturbing military influence in Iraq. As a former military officer who had liaison duties in Kirkuk and Mosul during 2003-2004 and who observed Turkey’s influence on Sunni tribes and other groups, especially in Mosul, I can comfortably say that the Sunni population in that city would be open to cooperation should Turkey wish to take a more active role.
In sum, it is difficult to say with certainty that Turkish decision-makers are planning a military operation against Syria. In a recent Al-Monitor article, I had summarized the support Turkey could provide to a Mosul operation. It must be noted here that the anti-IS operation in northern Iraq is developing slower than expected, and it is not likely that one will take place before the June elections, thus denying Erdogan his “Conqueror of Mosul” banner headlines.
One factor overriding all other considerations is the realist approach of the Turkish military toward the situations in Syria and Iraq. It is known that the current chief of the General Staff, Gen. Necdet Ozel, whose term ends in August, and his designated successor, Gen. Hulusi Akar, the current commander of land forces, prefer prudent, cautious approaches that rule out military adventures in Iraq and Syria. For a Turkey that appears to have lost its brakes, because of the dominance of Erdogan, the only reliable braking mechanism in a dangerously militarized region is this realist and rational approach of the military.
One certainly gets the impression that the soldiers are back in control, but this time things are different. Their goal is to take Turkey to democratic elections without a major accident because of faulty brakes. Of course, the military has to use its realism as its brake skillfully, within the limits of democracy and civilian rule, to restrain the ambitions of politicians.

Can the military manage to keep the brakes on until the elections? Definitely, when it comes to Syria, but with Mosul they might fail.
 Interesting to consider?

I've been playing catch up for sure- so there have been 5 posts in just over 24 hours- So, if you missed the other 4, they are all linked directly below:


  1. Hi Pen,
    Just curious - I may have missed it, but have you talked about or covered the whole Ben Levin thing, in regards to the new Ontario sex-ed cirriculum? He basically co-wrote (probably authored) the entire thing, along with Wynn, and then right afterward gets charged with 7 different counts of pedophilia. He pled guilty to three, I think it's still in the courts.

    One of the few articles online that goes into details on what should have been a MASSIVE uproar and investigation, etc . . . but has been absolutely ignored as much as possible and glossed over. Real sicko.


    1. Hey Slozo
      I am familiar with this story and heard on the news yesterday that many parents are pulling there kids out of this class created by the pervert- Good for them! Made me happy some parents still have a brain.
      Thanks for the link, going to read it right now!

    2. Slozo; was at the CBC, the pr people are out in full force demonizing the parents for pulling their kids out of classes
      Their presenting as a left progressive vs a right regressive issue
      Appeal to authority- Bashing people religious beliefs
      sick f's- bad language I know, but, it disgusts me how whorish some people are

    3. Yep. They spin, spin, spin . . . the big thing with myself is, the total silence from both the gov't AND the people on the Levin pedo. Only group who actively stood up and protested this is the Chinese community in Toronto (they had a huge rally, but you probably didn't hear of it - silenced and ignored by the MSM).

      I have gone through the entire document, found here:

      My problems with it are many . . . beginning and ending with, I don't want the gov't to be the parent. That's my fucking job. Their excuse about "well, if we don't do it, the kids will" treats us like uneducated children. It lessens us all in its scope.

      They teach - in my humble opinion - things to kids WAY too early, as well. In grade 5, teaching kids almost everything to do with sex, puberty, sexual identity and orientation, and going into so many details of bad/abusive behaviour . . . basically enlightening the kids to these ideas in the first place. Not letting them stay as kids.

      But throughout the whole document, it also goes on and on about basically counselling the children as if the teachers were a parent . . . and talking about drinking, smoking, bullying, sexting, etc. It all sounds well and good in terms of what to do, what's good and bad, etc . . . but I feel it's designed by someone who has attempted to supplant the parent with the gov't representatives, and in this way attempt to undermine the kids trust and relationship with the parents. I think this is the insidious thing, becoming the new parent.

      By the end of grade 8 . . . it's all kinds of in depth analysis inn what should be late teenage, adult issues - unless you want to funnel kids into thinking it's normal to have sex at that age (13, 14-ish). Oh yeah.

      And . . . there are many categories of sex. Like, 6 I think. You do the math.

      It's a long document though, and designed to bore you.

    4. Hey slozo
      I did take a gander at the lengthy, overwrought document and I feel nothing but empathy for parents who have their kids in school at this time
      I was thinking about this entire subject, relating to education as a whole, one of the pr people said something to the effect of 'is it ok for parents to take their kids out of math and other classes'
      first of all this sex ed and math are two very different subjects
      but the bottom line in all of this is the education system isn't educating
      the math teaching is a joke
      all of it- pathetic and it was when our daughter went to elementary level school
      Some aspects of the sex ed were the 'types of families' what does that have to do with the subject
      and the gender identification being artificially construed?
      Really? Biology begs to differ. So does survival of all life on this planet

      male, female, ability to procreate and raise a successful future generation
      because that's what goes on daily on this planet, amongst every species
      therefore 'gender' is not an artificial construct
      (but that teaching is preparation for a much more nefarious agenda, I'm afraid)

      And yes, I did see much the age levels and indeed the information is to mature and graphic for the ages mentioned

      Slozo "I feel it's designed by someone who has attempted to supplant the parent with the gov't representatives, and in this way attempt to undermine the kids trust and relationship with the parents"

      That's exactly what it is designed for- That's why you feel that way. Because you understand what that indoctrination is being presented for
      -to drive a state wedge between parent and child

      Also, I picked up aspects of grooming- pedophile grooming in it- I took some time to read up on Mr scum bag Levin and some of his talk on line regarding prepping small children to be abused and shades of it came through in the curriculum...

      As if it's embedded in that horrid bit of work because of the deviancy of that man.

      I didn't read or hear a thing about the chinese rally
      I see the media is presenting it as a religious issue- muslims and catholics- intentionally so, because that makes it easier to ridicule.

      The media certainly seems to be playing their role as supporter of state sponsored tyranny/oppression/repression, as usual
      Also playing the left/right card- typical garbage

  2. O/T Penny but I see you in the north land have jump into the secrecy world big time against their owned citizens. I wonder how much longer until you have that wonderful health care system the we have here in Amerika? I'm Sorry.

    1. Hey jo!
      Sadly, Canada has been going down this road for some time now-
      Don't apologize- If more Canadians would get vocal and choose non participation, getting active and talking to one another , the bad road we've been on would have been less travelled by now
      But, thanks for caring jo :)

  3. Hey Penny, I was listening to Ontario Today with Rita Celli and WOW was she ever spinning this like crazy! They had a former TSB trustee on who was against this whole sexualised cirriculum and she wouldn't stop interupting him! How rude! Then when the pervs came she let them yak yak yak... talk about spin control!

    Just sick. TBH I don't think it is the school's business to teach this crap either.


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