Tuesday, July 28, 2015

PKK Ended Ceasefire Weeks Ago? A stream of the latest news

This post is going to be a running account of the latest news surrounding what is going on with Turkey!
Before you all start reading I am placing one specific news item at the top of my post!
.Must read. Requires your attention
When the shit started to  hit the fan I saved a bunch of news stories- I always save and read way more then I post here- Thank goodness for the readers..............!
I saved this story from Financial Times in it's entirety:
Headline: Turkey expands airstrikes against ISIS to include Kurdish separatist bases

 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9e3d7194-32af-11e5-bdbb-35e55cbae175.html

What was so very important in that news story for my readers? This very important information, is as follows.............
"The PKK announced three weeks ago that it was ending a three year cease fire complaining of a lack of progress in long-running, stalled peace talks with the Turkish government"

I repeat in large bold print:
"The PKK announced three weeks ago that it was ending a three year cease fire complaining of a lack of progress in long-running, stalled peace talks with the Turkish government"

So, despite the spin in the corporate media, those who are suggesting it was Turkey that declared war on the Kurds. It appears the PKK had announced the end of the ceasefire prior to all the "shit hitting the fan"

 PKK announces end of cease-fire, mobilizes guerillas
 The Kurdish Communities Union (KCK), an umbrella network that includes the PKK, announced on Saturday that the cease-fire which was declared via a message from the PKK's imprisoned leader Abdullah Öcalan in 2013 has ended, dealing a huge blow to the protracted reconciliation process that was expected to speed up with the Peoples' Democratic Party's (HDP) entrance into Parliament.
Ankara and the HDP have been pursuing a reconciliation process to end the decades-long conflict between the state and the PKK since 2013, but the process has seen serious setbacks prior to the June elections with friction emerging between the mediator HDP and Ankara. The party, which built its election campaign on messages that promised to push forward the stalled peace efforts, failed to abide by its vows once it secured its place in Parliament.

The HDP passed the election hurdle after receiving 13 percent of the votes in the June elections via the support of democrats and liberals, but it was unable to fulfill its assurance of a settlement between the state and the PKK. The blatant intimidation against the government by the KCK has come at a time while expectant HDP voters are waiting for a disarmament announcement.
 Meanwhile, two groups of the PKK, consisting roughly of 50 militants, intercepted the Gürbulak and Iğdır roads on Saturday, opening fire on trucks and throwing Molotov cocktails. During the attacks, three trucks were burned down and one Iranian was injured. On Sunday, PKK militants clashed with gendarmerie forces after they seized a vehicle belonging to the municipality of Göle in the province of Ardahan. One person died and two others were injured after the terrorists opened fire on a bus at the scene of the clashes.

Ankara has been pushing the PKK to lay down its arms as part of the reconciliation process but the resistance of the militants to abandon weapons has crippled the process, which is currently on ice.
 If that information is accurate as reported by Financial Times,  Daily Sabah & Today's Zaman (July 12/2015)  that changes the dynamic at work in this situation from what is being presented by the media as Erdogan's government being the aggressor to the PKK being the instigator of hostilities.
Just something to think about. Something to consider.

On to the narrative as it happened:
Some interesting info via NYT's
11:20 a.m.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says Turkey is asking NATO to be prepared to help his country as it battles Islamic State militants in Syria and Kurdish rebels in Iraq.
12:35 p.m.
Turkey's state-run Anadolu news agency says a soldier has been seriously wounded in an armed attack near Turkey's border with Iraq.
The agency says the soldier was fired on by a man wearing a mask on Tuesday in the mainly-Kurdish town of Semdinli.
The attack comes amid increased violence between Turkey and Kurdish rebels and Turkish airstrikes against the militants' bases in neighboring Iraq.
A day earlier, a military police major was killed in an ambush of his car in the southeastern province of Mus. Ten people were detained for questioning.
Earlier, an explosion at a natural gas pipeline between Iran and Turkey
12:40 p.m.
Turkey's NATO partners say they stand "in strong solidarity" with the nation, and that the security of the U.S.-led alliance is "indivisible."
Indivisible, eh? Well I guess that depends on who wants the division?

1:50 p.m.
The leader of Syria's main political opposition group is urging NATO partners meeting in Brussels to support the establishment of a "safe zone" in northern Syria.

2:40 p.m.
Turkey's military says a soldier who was seriously wounded in an armed attack near Turkey's border with Iraq has died.
A military statement said the infantry sergeant died in a hospital Tuesday after being shot in the head by Kurdish militant in the town of Semdinli.
There is much shooting in the head going on-  Victims: Turkish military. Turkish police.

3:20 p.m.
A spokesman for the main Syrian Kurdish force fighting the Islamic State group says he does not view a U.S.-Turkish agreement to establish a safe zone in northern Syria as a threat.
When you’re the one in control of the borders would this, could this, plan really threaten you.
I have mentioned to readers here previously KurdIShIS controls nearly the entirety of the Syrian northern border- as you will also read below!
Redur Khalil of the People's Protection Units, or YPG, says it is still not clear how Turkey will fight IS and adds Turkey has no interest in sending ground troops to Syria.

The U.S.-backed YPG controls most of the 910-kilometer Syrian (565-mile) border with Turkey. It has warned Ankara against military intervention in northern Syria.
3:35 p.m.
A senior Turkish ruling party official says Turkey's peace process with the Kurds is not over but has been placed on hold.

Turkey launched peace talks with the Kurdish rebels' imprisoned leader in 2012 with the aim of ending the 30-year conflict that has killed tens of thousands of people.
4:05 p.m.
A NATO official says that alliance members have used the closed-door meeting in Brussels to call on Turkey not to use excessive force.

Although public statements from the NATO meeting stressed unity, the official said members also urged Turkey to continue peace efforts with representatives of the Kurdish minority.
Although NATO’s lying lips are talking unity it is abundantly clear there is NO unity-

4:30 p.m.
Saudi Arabia's King Salman has affirmed his country's support for Turkey's military actions against the Islamic State group and its right to defend itself against terror acts.
Does Saudi Arabia see the writing on the wall?

4:40 p.m.
The spokesman of one of the main factions fighting the Islamic State group and Syrian government forces says a U.S.-Turkish agreement to establish a zone free of extremists in northern Syria is in their interest.
5:25 p.m.
Turkey's military says it used fighter jets to target Kurdish rebels after its soldiers were attacked near the country's border with Iraq.
6:30 p.m.
A U.N. panel says the threat of foreign jihadi fighters traveling to countries such as Iraq and Syria is a fluid and rapidly-changing problem and the response of governments must be stepped up.
8:25 p.m.
Iraq's Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi says his council of ministers views Turkish airstrikes in his country as "a dangerous escalation and a violation of Iraq's sovereignty."
The US moving the mouth of their sock puppet government in Iraq- After they over threw Maliki.
In a three-part message posted on his official Twitter account Tuesday, al-Abadi said that the council is committed "not to allow any attack on Turkey from Iraqi territory and called on Turkey to respect good relations."
9:50 p.m.
The U.N. humanitarian chief, Stephen O'Brien, has warned against calling a proposed buffer along the Turkey-Syrian border a "safe zone," saying it could risk attracting vulnerable people to an area without "sufficient protection."

The US and Israel pull the strings at the UN also. One would think the UN would want a safe zone for refugees.. In fact you would think they would encourage it so all the displaced Syrians can exercise their right of return... After Angelina Jolie cried rivers of crocodile tears- oh the pity she had for the refugees and their plight- Barf!

From earlier today:

Syria: The "Army of Conquest" moves towards the Mediterranean


6 comments:

  1. Penny,

    The PKK ceasefire hardly existed from before three weeks ago. If you are ever going to use Today's Zaman, how about this view of the nature of the oppressive reality in Turkey?

    http://www.todayszaman.com/national_top-court-begins-investigation-into-hdp-after-ak-party-files-complaint_394891.html
    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_turkeys-pro-kurdish-party-leader-denies-wrongdoing-after-erdogan-urges-prosecution_394843.html

    It is a seriously repressive country, which is why I suggested the Israelis should hone their techniques by studying things there. By the way, I like Turkey, I just think it is a political hellhole far worse than any bad times in Iran, Syria, Egypt, or whatever the dungeon-du-jour might be. A shining dungeon in a region with many.

    As for the earlier topic:

    "But one can make the argument that the lesson is to have rational borders, for there is no way to stop someone like Erdoghan, Netanyahu, or Nuland from wanting more power. Ain't gonna happen"

    You can't stop them from wanting the power however there is a way to deny them the means to carry out their evil plans and that lies with the people. No one leads if no one follows.
    People have to stop following "leaders" Leaders will always lead you in thee direction they want to go, not the direction you necessarily want to go.
    Until the masses wake up to that obvious fact we will always see people stealing the power of others for their own agenda.
    ---
    This misses the obvious reality that the world is ruled by violence and the practical level is done with gangs. That is why Kurt Vonnegut suggested in his speech in his old age that his advice to young people would be to join a gang, as they dominate the planet. No amount of waking up in Turkey, Israel, or even Canada is likely to change this. If you were a Kurd in Syria, a place where they didn't have any autonomy to speak of, and Assad's people said "We will give you autonomy. Honest. Just help us." Would you believe them? The practical question is which gang might lead to your town not being destroyed and you not becoming a nomad. Some gang of Kurds from fifty miles away is allied with, say, Barzani's gangs. You don't have any idealistic choice of "not giving your power" to Assad's Sunni business gangs or Barzani's friends who are a low-level gang who probably have advisors from Barzani and a real gang, such as the Mossad. Those are the only two who have any chance of keeping you alive. Erdoghan and most of the ISIS types want you gone at best. The West wants you as a pawn to harm Syria or Turkey or both.

    So, to me, the issue with the masses waking up is illustrated by a Frank Zappa quote:

    “The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

    The PTB would rather start WWIII or a massive depopulation than allow an emancipation of their serfs. As it is, they seem to care less and less about the illusion of freedom.

    Paul

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    1. Paul: I used three references to that PKK calling an end to the ceasefire information for a specific reason. So a shoot the messenger could not be used. And that's what you did.

      I used Daily Sabah and the Financial Times, which you ignored.

      The timing of that call to end the ceasefire is what's very interesting to me- Relating to what is going on present day
      With what looks to be a NATO destabilization of Turkey

      I have also stated repeatedly that the PKK is, and always has been in my opinion a "Stay Behind Army" aka Operation Gladio or any of the other stay behind operations that litter the globe

      As for Vonnegut? And Zappa? That's not a discussion I care to get into

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  2. Penny,

    The point I was trying to make about the news sources is that they all lie so much that it is a pain to try to find the truth buried within the lies. In addition to lying, they put out their spin and marketing. If Brookings wants to suck up to their funders, then they can write that an invasion is about to happen. Or whatever. It is like entering a convention of pathological liars. It wasn't meant as an attack on your ethics or anything. To me, a lot of these sources are no better than Netanyahu. Hasn't he been saying that Iran was going to have a nuke with a year or two for almost 30 years now? They don't call them pressitutes for nothing.

    But I strongly suggest you look at the reality of the domestic situation in Turkey. Erdoghan and his allies are looking at jail or worse for all their crimes and non-crimes. He broke with Gulen. He is willing to cut deals with Russia and China. And he hesitated about putting his butt on the line in Syria. As a result of the war, the internal situation in Turkey has become dangerous and troubled. So the AKP struggled. Again, he is looking at jail or worse. So they are ginning things up against the party that is pro-Kurd and other minorities. Erdoghan needs serious internal strife to stay in power if not alive. So it is hard to tell whether a bombing is NATO Gladio or the native Turkish Gladio. In addition, Turkey is a place with hardball politics. Losers can easily go to jail or just get shot.

    In fact, Erdoghan is in such a bind that he might even do something really risky, which may be what the US is angling for. Like with Hussein and Kuwait, the US might try to get him to cross the border into Syria, only to find out that he is the new Hitler. This would give the US the chance to save the poor Kurds.

    As for Vonnegut or whatever, that was just to point out that waking up/renouncing evil leadership is unlikely to happen in the Middle East and one can argue it is not the problem at all. The problem is an inability to work out reasonable compromises, whether of religion, language, or influence over things like gas fields.

    Paul

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    1. Paul: I have looked at the domestic situation in Turkey and have noted some of what you mention, but, not all of it- Because i simply can't.
      It's too difficult to consider all facets of the domestic situation because I'm not in turkey- I discern everything here the way I always have and if anything I've fine tuned the process over the years
      I've honed up on my critical thinking skills, I sharped my logic, I took the time to learn about logical fallacies etc- so I could figure out this shit to the best of my ability bases on the information I can access.

      "Erdoghan and his allies are looking at jail or worse for all their crimes and non-crimes. He broke with Gulen. He is willing to cut deals with Russia and China"

      But some of that has been made clear here by me for quite some time now
      In fact, if I can toot my own horn or state a fact I appear to be the only one on line pointing out that Turkey is being taken down- their domestic wrong doing or not- is barely a factor- because the larger geopolitical game is being played out

      "Erdoghan is in such a bind that he might even do something really risky, which may be what the US is angling for"

      It appears to me Erdoghan KNOWS he is now in NATO sights- and Turkey is being taken down- IN fact my latest post will be addressing just that.

      Erdoghan while no Putin is a shrewd politician, if I can pick up the destabilization via the media droppings, who are you or I to think Erdoghan hasn't?


      "As for Vonnegut or whatever, that was just to point out that waking up/renouncing evil leadership is unlikely to happen in the Middle East and one can argue it is not the problem at all"

      Who is arguing that this is not a problem?
      Bad, evil corrupt leadership is a global problem- my country suffers from detestable leadership- It's not unique to Turkey!

      Sometimes, I simply don't understand where you are coming from?
      I don't mean that in any negative or mean way, just stating what is.
      I'm certainly not suggesting or implying there are no problems and haven't a clue why you would make such a statement given the content of this blog?
      (As I shake my head)

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  3. "Sometimes, I simply don't understand where you are coming from?
    I don't mean that in any negative or mean way, just stating what is.
    I'm certainly not suggesting or implying there are no problems and haven't a clue why you would make such a statement given the content of this blog?"


    Pen,
    Paul did not address the point of your post but attacked one of your three sources. You correctly pointed out that this was diverting attention from the message and onto the messenger. Paul, in his response to this, did not address your criticism of his logical fallacy but continued on to talk about other topics which could be seen as the logical fallacy of "red herrings". I have noticed that Paul does this a lot, but why?

    It seems to me that either he simply cannot focus on the point of your post;
    or he is merely using your blog as a forum for his own writing;
    or he is intending to take up your time running after his red herrings to distract you and your readers from the topic at hand.

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    1. Hi james
      I have noticed the same issues you are pointing out- on a very many occasions.I can't be sure what his motivation or intention is, but, definitely do find his responses questionable.
      But, I'm glad you notice too!

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