Friday, July 10, 2015

Tsipras "Serfs" the Greek People?

This sure doesn't read as a positive considering the referendum. The election. 
The election promises. The tough talk. The heartfelt talk. Etc.,

12:35 a.m.

In a speech with a strongly personal tone, Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras says he negotiated as hard as he could and admits his government had made mistakes during his barely six-month tenure as he fought to win bailout funds for his debt-ridden country.
Speaking in a late-night parliament session, Tsipras described the last few months as a war in which difficult battles were fought and some were lost. "Now I have the feeling we've reached the demarked line. From here on there is a minefield," he said.
He added that he doesn't have the right to hide from the Greek people that the measures Greece must take are far from his left-wing party's pre-election pledges.
But he insisted the latest proposal contains measures that would help the economy and, if approved by Greece's creditors, would unlock sufficient financing for the country to emerge from its protracted crisis and see its massive debt tackled.

 The measures include tax hikes and spending cuts very similar to ones Greeks rejected in a referendum last Sunday, but the reforms would bring a far larger aid package over a longer period of time.
 10:10 p.m.
 Greece's former finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, says family obligations will keep him away from Friday night's parliament session to debate the government's proposed reforms in return for a third bailout.


8:10 p.m.

Greece's new finance minister claims his country will win better terms for a bailout deal after calling a referendum, despite angering creditor countries.
In his first speech in parliament since becoming minister, Euclid Tsakalotos argued that the new proposed cuts are more socially fair than those in a previous draft agreement.
He told lawmakers: "I think after the referendum we are in a stronger position."
The proposed deal, he said, would provide three years of financing with repayments spaced more evenly than under previous bailouts. He said there was also growing consensus for the need for a long-term debt relief agreement by 2022, when interest payments are set to surge.
He added: "I think most of what we are asking for on debt relief is going to happen."


 ATHENS, Greece Left-wing Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras sought his party’s backing for a harsh new austerity package Friday to keep his country in the euro — less than a week after urging Greeks to reject milder cuts in a referendum.
 " less than a week after urging Greeks to reject milder cuts in a referendum"
Government ministers signed off on the sweeping new measures — likely to extend the recession after six years of painful decline — that include pension cuts and tax hikes. In exchange, Greece wants a three-year financial support program worth nearly $60 billion and some form of debt relief.
The measures were sent to rescue creditors who will meet this weekend to decide whether to approve them. The proposed new bailout would be Greece’s third since it lost access to financing from bond markets in 2010.
In an unusual procedure, Tsipras is first seeking authorization from parliament to negotiate with the creditors based on the proposal in a vote Friday. He is essentially asking his Syriza party to sign off on the U-turn despite more than 60 percent of voters opposing more austerity in the July 5 referendum.
 The coalition government has 162 seats in the 300-member parliament and pledged backing on a deal from a large section of opposition lawmakers. But failure to deliver votes from his own government would likely topple his coalition.

12 comments:

  1. I suppose in the end, the lesson is that if you require a bailout, you've essentially surrendered your sovereignty. If the creditors get to veto your proposed legislation (e.g. tax policy), you are no longer running the government, despite whatever referendum results you bring to the table.

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  2. The loans are designed in the first place to require 'bail-outs'.

    The international banks get away with it with the co-operation of the local national elite who in turn own the major political parties and they all get their cut one way or another. Those that were not party to the brief financial party and did not receive bribes or graft, the general population, are left to pay the loans. It is massive theft.

    And granting power to issue the national currency to an outside organisation grants them sovereignty over the debtor nation and amounts to treason.

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  3. James,

    Sure, that's true. But a big question is why so many refuse to see it. You can't fight what you can't see or don't understand. Somebody like Tsipras or Varoufakis may simply be an operative of some sort, but there are heaps of "decent and well-meaning" people who just fall for this stuff over and over. It is kind of like the old vampire stories about how people have to invite them in or something. It seems like you can only get screwed royally if you ask for it.

    Paul

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    1. Hi Paul,
      I agree with much of what you say. But, your conclusion, "It seems like you can only get screwed royally if you ask for it" doesn't seem to follow on from the rest of your comment. Specifically, "You can't fight what you can't see or don't understand" which indicates that you can get screwed by your own ignorance which contradicts your conclusion that you can only get screwed "if you ask for it".

      One of your statements sympathises (it seems to me) with the victim and the other blames the victim.

      The question that jumps out for me is, why do " decent and well-meaning" people" . . "just fall for this stuff over and over"?


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    2. James,

      Well, I have mixed feelings about the masses, but the point was somewhat along the lines that there is a theory that the bad guys rub things in our faces and actually prefer to get our buy in. However, this is done is a bogus way. Having a TV show tell us that some false flag is about to happen may satisfy a Satanist's code of ethics, but is unfair to expect the average person to do anything with such knowledge. The other day, I watched a bit of a show showing how bad vaccines were, and it was immediately followed by an ad for a vaccine. Got to hand it to them.

      No matter how you look at it, though, people want to hear and believe what they want to hear and believe. Maybe another Bush will win, and plenty of votes will come from people who swore that they wanted no more Bushes.

      So maybe a clearer way of putting it would be that we are all victims, and some get shafted more than others. This often happens when they fall prey to some vampire, such as a vaccine company, and want to help protect their kids. You have to keep your guard up, and the bad guys seem to particularly relish harming the innocent and naive.

      Paul

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    3. The psychopaths do indeed like to leave clues everywhere. They do it to show themselves how smart they are. The reality is that they are dumber than us because they have no humanity. They are deficient.

      But because all they are left with now is ego, they cannot face this inferiority. They cannot make themselves smarter so they wage a relentless war on us to make us dumber. They have done this principally by interfering in our ability to learn and to think. So, yes, we are all victims because we have been taught to accept the legitimacy of authority and not to question or think about what authority says. We are intellectually defenceless; and, for the most part, physically defenceless, too.

      That is what our school system is about and what the constant propaganda is about. You and others here may be interested in the podcast detailing the 'how and why' on this page-
      “How to Free Your Mind”
      All oppression is based on this foundation.

      the bad guys seem to particularly relish harming the innocent and naive.
      Contemplating on and coming to understand this truth is the gateway to understanding evil: its extreme malevolence; its extreme cowardice and its total hatred.

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  4. Another provocation in the Balkans post the football incident with Albania, the cross border kla attack and the macedonia coup attempt.

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  5. www.TragedyandHope.com /www.PeaceRevolution.org
    ³For if you [the rulers] suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves [outlaws] and then punish them.´ - Sir Thomas More (1478-1535), Utopia, Book 1

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  6. Changed name to sinai state? What of those Israeli rumors over Palestinians in sinai?
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/12/c_134403917.htm

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  7. Just another Greek tragedy.

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  8. Hey all:

    been reading, but, no time to comment
    but good comments, thanks

    James: You put up on of my favourite quotes there

    For if you [the rulers] suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves [outlaws] and then punish them.´ - Sir Thomas More (1478-1535)

    Because those brief sentences sum up the heart of the problem
    And I'm putting on the audio to listen to, so thanks! :)

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  9. Time to start a revolution and start hanging some Greek traitors, mostly bankers and politicians, then start printing their own debt-free currency, or forever be under the banker's boot heel.

    Yes, some of the squeamish might think that a bit radical, even violent, but what is the Troika doing to Greece, the same thing, on a slower basis.

    Watch what happens today on Wall Street, the gangsters will be making tons of money off Greece's misfortunes, is that civilized?

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