Wednesday, November 4, 2015

Hoax Busters: Afternoon Commute with Jose Barrera


Gallier had touched on the idea that the enlightenment was anything but enlightening and had more to do with the usual control/oppression elite agenda.

Voltaire and the enlightenment mouvement was mainly to introduce (economic) liberalism in the french society. The rioting that utimately lead to the Revolution started in fact when the physiocrats (Turgot) managed to get Louis XVI to adopt liberalisation of the wheat market.
Here some typical citations of Voltaire that the enlightened do not cite that often:
“Il est à propos que le peuple soit guidé, et non pas qu’il soit instruit; il n’est pas digne de l’être”
"It is relevant that the common be guided, and not that he be instructed; he is not worthy of it"
“Quand la populace se mêle de raisonner, tout est perdu”
"When the mob mixes to reason, all is lost"
“L'esprit d'une nation réside toujours dans le petit nombre qui fait travailler le grand, est nourri par lui, et le gouverne."
"The spirit of a nation still resides in that the small number makes the great (number) work, is nourished by it, and does govern it."

Enlightenment in general and Voltaire especially is Elitist to the core.


 I've heard Jose Barrera discuss a range of ideas around this very topic- One of them is linked below.
 It's a long discussion, covers quite a bit of ground and does wander a bit. That all said I enjoyed it a great deal. Covering the 'cult of reason'. Give it a listen! See what you think? Especially Gallier and NMM-

h/t HoaxBusters
 
Jose Barrera

Posted: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 16:30:00 -0400


John and Myself(Chris) engage in another excellent discussion with returning guest, Jose Barrera. Topics include: Cult of Reason,Scientism, Law, Reification, the Daemon, the Golem, Totems, Talismans, the Money System, Nations are Fictions, Darwinism,Dr. Schwitzgebel's Machine, The Company Man, Robot Economy, Mercantilism,Magic.

Long time readers here may recall Jose's excellent presentation:

Encore Presentation “Supernatural: Magic and Spelling as Mind Control”

5 comments:

  1. Don't know if anyone listened? I know there have been hits, but, time taken?
    Of course I don't know.

    One concept I took away from this discussion was that the 'enlightenment' was the beginning of moving french society towards economic liberalization as gallier mentioned, but, it also served to ration (rational, rationalize) everything on the planet-

    from the word ratio
    "relation of one number to another" "relationship between two numbers" is attested from 1650s.from Latin ratio "reckoning, numbering, calculation; business affair, procedure,"

    It was also a movement that was the beginning of removing man from his relationship to the planet/ environment which we see moving continuously forward with the transhumanism and the digitizing of every thing by reducing it all to 1&0's

    In plain talk 'enlightenment' rather then being uplifting or bringing in light was the beginning of the degradation of man and the planet

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    1. Sorry, not much time but I just wanted to add one idea to the mix. One only needs to read actually, for example, the Encyclopédie de Diderot, at some pages, to discover what the preoccupations of their authors were (and Diderot wasn't even a bad guy, like that scum of Voltaire). Here for example the entry about Sunday https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/L%E2%80%99Encyclop%C3%A9die/1re_%C3%A9dition/DIMANCHE is really interesting from the 4th paragraph on. Don't try to translate it with google, the result will be bad, as the spelling is from teh 18th century. Try to locate an online english translation, I'm sure that they exist. Sorry, have to go, to drop the children at school.

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    2. Here a link in english to the english entry about sunday
      http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=did;cc=did;rgn=main;view=text;idno=did2222.0000.009
      The 2 first paragraphs look like something that nowadays we would consider to be something that belongs in a encyclopedia. From the 3rd or 4th on, it is pure opinion. It's rationalisation to try to find a way to justify how one (i.e. the rich) can manage to get the poor to work on sunday, of course with the very common excuse, that it is for their own good, them being incapable to know what's good for themselves.
      That's only an example, but enlightnement is an elitist ideology.

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    3. OH, yes I do see that gallier2 and Diderot was less evil then Voltaire?

      He is not a man of religion that much is clear-

      "Be this as it may, he thinks that if we give them, every Sunday , the right to work after noon supposing the mass and the morning instruction, this will be a work of charity quite favorable for so many poor families, and consequently for hospitals; the gain which these subjects will make by this simple permission, according to his calculation, amounts to more than twenty million per year.

      My,my, my isn't that gracious? If we (elitist bastards) grant them, that which we want they will be better off... lol. It hasn't changed and people keep eating that garbage up!

      As concerns those who are not poor, there is a consideration which leads one to believe that if after mass and the morning instructions, people set themselves to their work and their sales, they will not go to the tavern and spend, at great harm to their families, a portion of what they have made during the week; they will not inebriate themselves, they will not quarrel amongst themselves, and therefore they will avoid all those evils that are caused by idleness and by the cessation of an innocent labor that is useful for themselves and for the state.

      Assuming everyone single one of them went to the tavern?
      Which I'm quite certain was not the case
      Then we have people now at work, when they were actually spending time with their families. ON their homesteads or hell visiting with extended family- can't have that!

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    4. Nice, isn't it? I will try to find another reference Marion Sigaut makes in her video about enlightenment. The progress against death penalty, which our progressives always refer to (Badinter which is the big guy that introduced that in France in the seventies). The 18th century reference was always touted as one of the humanistic progresses of enlightenment, but when you actually read what it really was, it was again about cheap labour. When you kill people, they can't be used to slave work, criminals should be better put to forced labour so that they are still usefull for society (i.e. capitalists).

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