Wednesday, November 25, 2015

Lavrov: Downing of SU-24 Looks Like a Planned Provocation

Mr Lavrov certainly had some interesting thoughts: 

RT 

So Turkish FM apologizes to his counterpart and NATO stays silent.

The downing of a Russian warplane in Syria by Turkey appears to be a pre-planned provocation, the Russian Foreign Minister said. Ankara failed to communicate with Russia over the incident, he added.

We have serious doubts that this act was unintentional. It looks very much like a preplanned provocation, Lavrov said, citing Turkey’s failure to maintain proper communication with Russia, the abundance of footage of the incident and other evidence.

Lavrov added that many Russian partners called the incident “an obvious ambush.

Earlier in the day, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu slammed Russia for "attacks on Turkmen" in Syria, which according to Ankara preceded the incident with the downed Su-24.

Lavrov speaks approx 40 minutes 
The Russian FM said the region where the incident happened is not just home to Turkmen people. There are also hundreds of foreign fighters affiliated with known terrorist groups and elements of their infrastructure such as weapons depots and command points there, he said.
I asked [Turkish FM Çavuşoğlu] whether Turkey’s close attention to this region, including the calls to create a buffer zone there, was motivated by a desire to protect this infrastructure from destruction. I didn’t receive any reply to this question,” Lavrov said.
 He added the downing of the Russian warplane occurred shortly after a series of airstrikes on terrorist oil convoys and facilities by the Russian Air Force. The incident “sheds new light” on the issue, according to the Russian foreign minister.
The Russian diplomat criticized NATO for failing to express condolences to Russia over the loss of its troops lives.
Very strange statements were voiced after a NATO meeting called by the Turks, which didn’t express any regret or condolences and in effect were aimed at covering up what the Turkish Air Force did yesterday,” Lavrov said. “A similar reaction came from the European Union.
Lavrov reiterated the statements of the Russian Defense Ministry, which denied Ankara’s allegations that the Russian warplane had violated Turkish airspace.

The Russian FM said the region where the incident happened is not just home to Turkmen people. There are also hundreds of foreign fighters affiliated with known terrorist groups and elements of their infrastructure such as weapons depots and command points there, he said.
I asked [Turkish FM Çavuşoğlu] whether Turkey’s close attention to this region, including the calls to create a buffer zone there, was motivated by a desire to protect this infrastructure from destruction. I didn’t receive any reply to this question,” Lavrov said.
 He added the downing of the Russian warplane occurred shortly after a series of airstrikes on terrorist oil convoys and facilities by the Russian Air Force. The incident “sheds new light” on the issue, according to the Russian foreign minister.

He added that even if Turkey’s words were taken on face value, its actions contradict its own position expressed in 2012, after Syria took down a Turkish military plane. At the time, then-Prime Minister Erdogan told the Turkish parliament that a short incursion into another nation’s airspace cannot justify an attack on it.
Russia’s relations with Syria will change after the attack on the Russian plane, Lavrov said, adding that Turkey, which is now calling for dialogue, should have done more to communicate with Russia prior to and right after the incident.
Moscow will measure its response to limit the harm done to Turkish and Russian businessmen, who had nothing to do with the incident, and would decide on a proper action, Lavrov said.
We cannot fail to react to what happened. Not because we must retaliate. It’s just that there are too many issues in Turkey that pose a direct terrorist threat to our citizens. And not only ours,” he said.
Lavrov said after canceling his planned visit to Istanbul that Moscow doesn’t indent to send any senior officials to Turkey or receive any senior Turkish officials. At the same time, phone channels remain open, as evidenced by the call with Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.
The Russian minister said there was a question of American involvement in the downing of the Russian plane. According to his sources, the US demands all members of the anti-IS coalition led by Washington, who use US-made military aircraft, coordinate all deployments with the US military.
I wonder if this demand of the Americans covers… Turkey. If it does, I wonder whether Turkey asked permission from the US to fly its US-made planes and take down – let’s say 'an unidentified' – plane over Syrian territory,Lavrov said.
The senior Russian diplomat said the problems at the Turkish-Syrian border could be solved by simply closing it, as suggested by French President Francois Hollande during his meeting with US President Barack Obama in Washington.
President Hollande suggested measures to close the Turkish-Syrian border to stop the flow of militants and finances to terrorists. It’s remarkable that President Obama didn’t react to it. I believe it’s a good suggestion and that during the visit tomorrow President Hollande will tell us details. We are prepared to consider these measures in earnest. Many people say that sealing the border would effectively eliminate the terrorist threat in Syria, Lavrov said.

Why wouldn't the US jump at the bit to seal the Turkish border?

Interesting reads:

NATO is less then supportive of Turkey's action:  

Diplomats present at the meeting told Reuters that while none of the 28 NATO envoys defended Russia's actions, many expressed concern that Turkey did not escort the Russian warplane out of its airspace.
"There are other ways of dealing with these kinds of incidents," said one diplomat who declined to be named.

How downing of Russian jet will help Islamic State & harm Assad

-Moscow’s entry led the US to back the Vienna talks, the first real attempt by great powers to get West Asia’s fragmented regional players to sit around a table on Syria. 

-The icing on the diplomatic cake was the (alleged) IS attack on Paris. 

- The peace process and building of an anti-IS coalition had barely begun when this incident took place. If the Russian and Turkish confrontation escalates, all this will be still born.

 The IS, insofar as they care about such niceties, should be happy. The real loser may be Assad--his first chance at an international “Get Out of Jail Free” card is now in danger.


Cui Bono? As always.

7 comments:

  1. A Russian response is imminent. They will investigate fully, get their nationals out and home and drop the shoe. Turkey, in spite of bellicose rhetoric, are now experiencing sleepless nights.
    I would like to add my compliments to your recent posts concerning the shoot-down. It was eye opening and I must state spot on. Especially your analysis regarding the differences between NATO occupied Turkey and Turkey the state. Brilliant.

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    1. Hi Charles

      Thanks for the compliment :)
      Brilliant! Wow.

      It seems that it should be so obvious to everyone that there is a difference to a state, any state, in what benefits the nation state vs what benefits the nation state as a "participant" in NATO.

      Canada is NATO occupied territory and Canada participates in NATO operations that are of no benefit to this nation state- Zip, zero, zilch
      All the wars? No benefit to me, my family or friends.

      We have years of NATO war time budgets- cuts for us- money for arms and missions covert and otherwise- private security firms etc


      The weaponized refugee program doesn't benefit Canada- but it's obviously a NATO backed plan
      Just look at the movement through Greece and think about how large their NATO budget is?
      Here in Canada we have mass unemployment
      Underemployment
      Youth unemployment
      Aging infrastructure -
      And I could go on and on and on
      Yet the weaponized refugee program is set to cost Canadian taxpayers well over 1 billion dollars in about 6 years- that is likely grossly understated, because it always is.

      http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/19/cost-of-syrian-refugee-plan-pegged-at-12b-over-six-years.html

      We have homeless Canadians, Canadians on housing waiting lists, yet the refugees are supposed to be put up at military bases- built and paid for by Canadians. While homeless Canadians sleep in the streets

      The NATO participation benefits the usual suspects, the multinationals, the elites, bankers and Israel's goals.

      But ordinary Canadians- nothing



      So as a NATO partner we bomb and displace, create refugees, then we pay for them to come here and put them up while life long Canadians go without-





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  2. If the shooting down of the Russian plane was intended to provoke Russia into a reckless kneejerk reaction, then the strategy has not merely failed, but seriously backfired.

    Russia has repsonded masterfully so far. The S400 now officially to be put in place, fighter escorts buzzing along the Turkish border, the high tech missile ship off the coast of Syria.

    Turkish aircraft are reportedly shying away from and potential conflict and the Russians are pulverizing the killers of the Russian pilot. Instead of stopping the Russians, the Turks have only motivated them to increase their tempo.

    Russia has to keep on blasting the oil running black ops into Turkish territory, because they know how much that is hurting the Turkish elite.

    And the Russians have quite clearly stated that their wrath is directed towards the current Turkish government and not towards the Turkish people.

    Pragmatism dictates that both sides would lose if the growing trade between the two countries was completely halted. Better to specifically target the business interest of Erdogan and his pals.

    Anthony

    http://tapnewswire.com/2015/11/turkish-airforce-runs-and-hides-from-russian-retaliation/

    South of Aleppo, the Syrian army appear to have retaken some towns lost in a recent ISIS counterattack.

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    1. Hi Anthony:
      I do believe this was a provocation, it appeared a provocation, but Russia again did not take the bait.

      NATO is chastizing Turkey for this move- LOL and as if ?
      That was a NATO op. The US was the instigator of that shootdown
      I see Stephen Lendman has a piece, it's posted at NTS's blog
      that yah, this was NATO/US doing...

      I am finding Erdogan to be quite quiet, speaking domestically, likely because the population is shaken... but I haven't seen any bravado from him internationally.
      Thanks for the link Anthony, look forward to the read :)


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  3. Hi Pen,
    I've written a brief article on the shooting down of the Russian Su24. Je Suis (Un) Turkey

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  4. Hi Penny,

    The Turks are tripping over their own labyrinth of lies.

    Here is a big story that ties in perfectly to the NATO Gladio theory. The supposed Turkman is a Turk. Note that he lies about both pilots being dead, which sounds as if they expected to capture and kill the navigator who was rescued by Syrian Special Forces.

    I posted a few of the comments from the YT video. It looks like he works for a NATO contractor. As I mentioned above, the Russians will be looking to pick out Turkish companies supporting terrorists (including NATO).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnCWPeFZUxk

    "commander of this militant pack Alpaslan “Celik” Steel is the son of a former Turkish mayor and is associated with the Turkish MHP party"

    From the comments:

    "That wolf in the symbol was/is the "ergenkon" (Turkish Gladio unit) symbol. The blue background and crescent are a nod to the fake "East Turkestan" funded by both US NED and Germany."

    "From Linkedin: Alpaslan Celik
    Site Manager
    Faysel Construction
    September 2005 – March 2006 (7 months) Afghanistan
    Baghram Multinational Airbase Billeting Building"

    Anthony

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  5. A very good read below:

    Again: It's the Erdogan clan in bed with the Islamic terrorists.

    ** It's also worth doing a search for photos of Erdogan's son Bilal Erdogan. Very Khazarian indeed.

    Anthony

    http://tapnewswire.com/2015/11/erdogans-son-by-oil-tanker-for-35-million-corruption-driving-turkeys-war-making-ways/

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