Saturday, January 30, 2016

NATO Confirms Russian Intrusion into NATO Airspace- SAA gains in Aleppo

1-Make of that what you will!
"A Russian SU-34 fighter jet violated Turkish ??? airspace yesterday (Jan. 29, 2016) at 11.46 a.m. local time in Turkey [0946 GMT]," the statement read.
***Yet, that didn't make the news rounds till 24 hours later? Or should I say it exploded on the msm once Erdogan left for Latin American- That's important
The Russian Ambassador to Ankara Andrei Karlov was also summoned over the incident, it added.
Speaking to reporters at Istanbul Atatürk Airport before his departure for Chile, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said the violation of Turkish airspace, which he also described as NATO airspace, was a result of Russian attempts to escalate existing tension in the region.
"Russia will have to bear the consequences if the violations continue," he said."
"NATO has confirmed the airspace violation: "I call on Russia to act responsibly and to fully respect NATO airspace," Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said"
"Russia must take all necessary measures to ensure that such violations do not happen again," he added.


As I've stated repeatedly- Turkey, like Canada, is NATO occupied- "Respect NATO airspace"

2-NATO warns Russia to 'fully respect' Turkish airspace

 Despite Israel's lying media headline....

Stoltenberg said in a statement

 "I call on Russia to act responsibly and to fully respect NATO airspace. Russia must take all necessary measures to ensure that such violations do not happen again,"
As I've stated repeatedly- Turkey, like Canada, is NATO occupied- "Respect NATO airspace"


3-NATO chief urges Russia not to violate NATO airspace again

Stoltenberg:  "I call on Russia to act responsibly and to fully respect NATO airspace. Russia must take all necessary measures to ensure that such violations do not happen again."
 Considering the Stoltenberg statement I have no doubt that the Russian jet shot down in November was shot down by the NATO fighters, most probably Americans, as part of a NATO operation.

Russia says:
 "There were no violations of Turkish airspace by aircraft of the Russian air group in the Syrian Arab Republic. Turkish authorities' statements of an alleged violation of Turkish airspace by a Russian Su-34 jet are naked propaganda," Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.
 "None of these radars are able to establish the type and affiliation of an aircraft — whether it belongs to Russia or to the so-called US-led anti-ISIL [Daesh] coalition," Konashenkov told reporters.

We read NATO's leader label the alleged intrusion an intrusion in NATO's airspace.
While Russia denies any such intrusion at all, anywhere.
  
This feels like a distraction. Why? Perhaps because the SAA has made large gains in Aleppo?

VIDEO: Syrian Army Regains Areas in Aleppo, Crushes ISIS in Deir Ezzor

An army unit restored security and stability to Tannouzeh village northwest of the Air Force Academy in the eastern countryside of Aleppo, a military source announced on Saturday.
Earlier, army units fired intensively at centers and fortifications of ISIS terrorists in the villages of Jeb al-Safa- al-Seen, Jeb Ghabsheh and Tal Maskour in the same countryside.
The centers and sites with terrorists, weapons and vehicles equipped with machine guns present were all destroyed, the military source confirmed in a statement to SANA.
In the northern countryside, gatherings of terrorists were targeted, with their vehicles getting destroyed, in Hayyan town and Retyan village.
Another army unit destroyed vehicles and gatherings of Jabhat al-Nusra-linked terrorists in al-Mansoura village, 10 west of Aleppo city.
Inside the city, terrorist targets were hit in al-Lairamoun and Salah-Eddin neighborhoods.
UPDATED: Conveniently for the NATO propaganda machine Erdogan is in Latin America
 "We regard this infringement which came despite all our warnings in Russian and in English as an effort by Russia to escalate the crisis in the region," Erdogan told reporters before departing on a Latin American tour. "If Russia continues the violations of Turkey's sovereign rights, it will be forced to endure the consequences."
 Erdogan before departing for Latin America- in a message for the domestic audience, clearly. 

 Erdogan eyes expanding Turkey influence on Latin America tour- filed 12 hours ago

 Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday embarks on a major tour of Latin American countries in a bid to expand Ankara's ties outside its traditional sphere of influence.

Erdogan:
"Russia will have to face consequences if it keeps on such violations against Turkey's sovereignty rights," Erdogan told reporters at an Istanbul airport before leaving on a Latin America tour. "Such irresponsible steps do not benefit either the Russian Federation, or Russia-NATO relations, or regional and global peace."
Ideal time to ramp up the propaganda war
 
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Zombies and PropaGUNDa: Brian Anse Patrick- Interview

21 comments:

  1. Penny...as I commented on another blog, IMO this is another ruse to "draw Putin out" as he has been flying below the M$M radar for a few weeks now. Do you remember when he took a holiday at this time last year and the M$M was saying he had "resigned" or that his "girfriend had a baby'? Well, it's the same ploy. It's called "Demand to appear and is a method of control.

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    1. Hey GC:
      I notice Stoltenberg specifically confirmed the incursion and called it NATO's airspace.
      Which confirms to me the earlier shootdown as a NATO op, because NATO is clearly, very clearly saying this isn't Turkish airspace this is NATO airspace!

      I just updated to note that this feels like a distraction beside this let get Russia and Turkey to fight ploy that has been ongoing since the shootdown in November

      SAA has and is making bigger gains on the ground and those talks are designed to fail.

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  2. A few days after the awac requests? And last week the Russians sent out fighters over black Sea to pick up an unidentified craft. Days ago they picked off a us ew plane in what was called a dangerous manuever. Carbon copy of the China intercept stories for past few years.

    Us airbase deployments in Syria. Kurd offensive. The leak about Turkish troops into Syria was all by appearance Kurd medi organs

    Well played?

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    1. hey anonymous:
      yes, after the awacs request- that news is here
      saw the story about the Russia fighter jet over the black sea- and the US claims of 'dangerous maneuver'
      that was between a spy plane and the russian jet
      The leak about Turkish troops crossing the border was another in a few of those that never seemed to have any truth to them- It seemed there was cross border firings but not troops so perhaps it was kurdish media groups planting those stories

      And yes there is Kurdish media and way more of it them many would suspect- the PKK has it's own media

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    2. The Iraqi Army is all set to liberate the city of Mosul, which has been controlled by Daesh terrorists since June 2014, Iraqi Media News agency reported, citing a senior military commander.

      Read more: http://sputniknews.com/archive/#ixzz3yqdnlPuh


      It is still unclear if the us and Iraq eg baghdad are coordinating on mosul. Friday us spokesman said raqqa would take a year putting us troops in country until 2017. That is the year another us assesment just said assad would be around until, at least.

      The us also said Friday Iraq troops - by Iraq presumably kurds trainees - wouldn't be read for some time.Baghdad and the US plans are clearly - like the intial yazidi intervention calls that saw the us wait out maliki while the Russians went in with airpower - not looking coordinated. Two side, two agendas.

      The Russia talk of kurds in Geneva looks purely tactical. In what possible scenario does Russia want another pankisi gorge eg topical of latewith the terror base denials in wake of float about using it for moderate rebel training as icc launches a inquiry into 2008 war - on its southern rim facing it's Armenia deployments? Northern kurdistan aspirations starting to look a lot like the Philippines.

      As for moving simultaneously on Iraq and Syria keep in mind H. Kissinger preferred outcome from the very get go was partition.

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    3. Timely China comp with the latest sail by.

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  3. Hi Pen,
    Yes, it is telling that Turkey is being described as NATO airspace. It is also convenient, as you say, that Erdogan will be in Latin America so he won't be able to interfere in NATO's moves as follows.

    This looks like NATO is laying the narrative of 'Russia as the aggressor' in preparation for a NATO/Turkish military intervention into northern Syria.

    If this happens, then I would expect moves by the US in Eastern Syria at the same time.

    The US cannot allow Russia to prevail in Syria as its own (the US) prestige will diminish greatly and with that goes a lot of its power over its allies.

    The US needs to keep the fighting alive and ongoing.

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    1. Hi James!

      You know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking this is the time NATO's army moves into Syria to connect the final leg of Syrian Kurdistan.

      The timing is perfect!

      By NATO's army I mean the Turkish military controlled by NATO-aka Deep State military PKK fighters and whatever NATO specials ops officers are available- from US, Canada, Britian, where-ever

      I mentioned in this post from Thursday January 28/16

      http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2016/01/kurds-gear-up-for-major-offensive.html

      " The powerful Syrian Kurdish YPG militia and its local allies (that would be all the previously mentioned persons) have drawn up plans for a major attack to seize the final stretch of the Syrian-Turkish border held by Islamic State fighters, a YPG source familiar with the plan said on Thursday"

      If your hunch is right James and it is extremely plausible as hubby says (standing here beside me, presently)I agree wholeheartedly because all the players are present and it all fits

      Now NATO has to set up air support aka protect Turkish airspace- It's the perfect cover for the PKK/YPG and their local allies to strike

      Let's see what plays out?

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  4. Also James one last item

    If this plays out- Turkey the nation state (not the NATO occupied state) will have "gone rogue"
    Perhaps we are looking at the big move to really redraw the map?
    Possible?

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    1. Check out some of these latest news items:
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syrian-civil-war-could-turkey-be-gambling-on-an-invasion-a6844171.html

      Syrian civil war: Could Turkey be gambling on an invasion?

      Kurdish forces, close to sealing the border, must beware - President Erdogan is unpredictable

      The Syrian war is at a crucial stage. Over the past year the Syrian Kurds and their highly effective army, the People’s Protection Units (YPG), have taken over half of Syria’s frontier with Turkey. The main supply line for Islamic State (Isis), through the border crossing of Tal Abyad north of Raqqa, was captured by the YPG last June. Supported by intense bombardment from the US Air Force, the Kurds have been advancing in all directions, sealing off northern Syria from Turkey in the swath of territory between the Tigris and Euphrates.

      Hmmmmmm

      I think this needs a post

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    2. "Perhaps we are looking at the big move to really redraw the map?
      Possible?"


      I think it is more than possible, Pen; perhaps probable.

      The following is based on an overview of the motivations of the main players - the US and Russia. It lacks detailed knowledge, on my part, of all the minor players but I think we can make some guesses.

      The bankers, who have the major influence on the US govt, cannot back away from Syria. The nature of psychopathy is that it cannot give up; it is driven to dominate and/or destroy.

      Russia likewise cannot back away because it knows that if Syria falls Russia will be a target sooner or later. Russia will not have started its intervention in Syria without a commitment to seeing it through no matter what. Whether or not Russia said that Syria is its Stalingrad, it is.

      What Russia has going for it is the corruption (and incompetence which always accompanies corruption) of the US and all its allies.
      The fact that the US does not dare openly confront Russia militarily (despite the blather) is also working for Russia.
      The US is trying to push its allies into a confrontation with Russia instead.
      Russia's obvious move then is to try and win the US's allies away from it.

      There seems to be some arrangement made between the Russians and the Kurds in western Syria. Russia has been trying for an alliance since they entered Syria. There are reports of Russia supplying arms to the Kurds who are advancing on Turkey's border. And the Russians are supporting the Kurds participation in the Geneva talks.

      The US will be desperate to scuttle this alliance and if they can't then they will want to punish the Kurds in the east for co-operating with the Russians for fear this co-operation could spread to the Kurds in the west of Syria and in Iraq. Enter Turkey.

      It is very likely that the US is urging Turkey to enter Syria to squash the Kurds. Stoltenberg's insistence on describing Turkey as NATO airspace is an attempt to intimidate Russia by implying an attack on Turkey is an attack on NATO and NATO will respond. They won't, of course, and will leave Turkey to hang out to dry (as usual).

      Meanwhile, the US will ship arms and troops into eastern Syria while there is much dust in the air with the hope of ensconcing themselves there to protect the supply lines for ISIS and America's loyal Kurds. This move will also protect the cheap oil supply routes for israel and keep alive the hopes of the Kurds there for their own country - Kurdistan.

      Russia is supposedly preparing an airport of their own not far from the Americans in eastern Syria. Clearly the Russians have a counter plan and I guess we will see what it is in time.

      Syria is a test for the US's global hegemony ambitions and they are not going to take defeat lightly. The bankers, no doubt, understand that this is an existential issue for them.

      Here is an interesting talk on Syria with Mark Sleboda and Eric Draitser-
      Syria: A US Base, Russian Countermoves, & the Kurdish Question

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    3. I've never been 100 percent certain of Russia's support for the Kurds- their are articles that say since they are supported by the US, Russia does not support them- though there is a diversity of Kurds that don't love the PKK/YPG terrorists so Russia could easily support them?

      In the most recent article in the newest post

      this quote

      "Omar Sheikhmous, a veteran Syrian Kurdish leader living in Europe, says that the Syrian Kurds “should realise that the Russians and the Syrian government are not going to go to war with the Turkish army for them”.

      Implying no support at all- Russia and Syrian Army will not fight for the Kurds. They surely won't.

      So, I'm torn thanks to the split reporting,but, know full well among the Kurds there is dissent and it would seem natural for Russia to court those dissenters- which could explain the split reporting

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    4. James:

      I listened to that interview and have lost every bit of respect I had for Mark Sleboda- It's gone!

      (Hope that doesn't offend anyone, but, that's my being completely honest)

      People like him and Josh Landis are the reason I insist on doing all my own thinking and hypothesizing- Some of his analysis was I don't know? Strange.
      MOA?! Pfft... For Sloboda to suggest MOA (limited hangout) as a 'credible' source of info tells me all I need to know about Sloboda's information sources. He might as well have advocated Mike Whitney as credible too!

      Draitser mentioned Land Destroyer- a site I have a modicum of respect for still and continue to link to

      But still, I'm going to stick with my own analysis, my own thinking and my own discernment and everyone else can have their own too- That's the best option for everyone, In my opinion.


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    5. Hi Pen,
      I assess for myself everything I read. I have assumed everybody does that. No one gets it 100% right. There are certainly aspects of our political world that Sleboda is unaware of but we could say that about anyone of these pundits.

      Mark Sleboda is obviously unaware that anyone employed in academia in the West (such as Landis and Stephen Walt - Harvard) is going to be 'bought and paid for'. But he's hardly alone in that misunderstanding and I think it is misunderstanding and not deceit.

      In my view, no one is really going to have an accurate understanding of what is going on in the world until they have a detailed knowledge of psychopathy, banking, economics and philosophy (especially logic). And there ain't many of them around.

      Sleboda is also not alone in his misunderstanding of MOA (and perhaps Whitney and the rest of the 'faux left' CounterPunch Crew). Indeed, there was a time when both of us were equally unaware of these people. Did that make what we otherwise said invalid?

      I thought what Mark Sleboda and Eric Draitser said re Syria, airbases, and the Kurds was worth considering.

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    6. Hi James:

      "Sleboda is also not alone in his misunderstanding of MOA (and perhaps Whitney and the rest of the 'faux left' CounterPunch Crew)"

      True enough james and indeed there was a time when both of us were equally unaware of these people.

      Did that make what we otherwise said invalid?

      It made me feel fooled or duped. And I'm at the anger stage of that awareness right now. I don't want to speak for you or anyone else in that regard, though I suspect you've moved past that already

      Yes, Eric Draitser and his analysis are a bit closer to my own, from listening yesterday- He acknowledges the role of NATO in all these matters- A far cry from what the faux left counterpunch/amy goodman crowd does

      I thought what Mark Sleboda and Eric Draitser said re Syria, airbases, and the Kurds was worth considering.

      Yes, there was some interesting talk. Don't get me wrong about that james.

      Sleboda mentioned that some of the Kurds were cold war allies and I had posted a pdf, that I got from karin, a CIA paper regarding the Kurds, that mentioned some of them were partnered with the USSR at that time anyway..

      I listened to the entire audio and do appreciate that you left it :)

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    7. I certainly understand the anger, Pen

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  5. Penny, below is a link to an interesting piece at New Eastern Outlook:
    http://m.journal-neo.org/2016/01/30/
    disintegration-of-irag-will-take-days-
    now/

    The NATO move into northern Syrian territory using their Kurdish proxies backed by Iraqi Sunni/Isis forces is part of the plan of the disintegration of Iraq.

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    1. Good article, Charles, and it fits with what is happening in Syria with Turkey. Unfortunately the link is broken. Here it is again-
      Disintegration of Iraq Will Take Days Now

      The US is obviously going for control of Syria's and Iraq's oil which means that these oil sales will be denominated in US dollars.

      If the US can isolate Russia and Iran (and their oil sales) from Europe and the rest of the world somehow through trade bans as a result of armed conflicts, then the US bankers may be able to bring in their one world currency based on oil sales which will assure the survival of said bankers.

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    2. I should add that the author of the above article, Peter Lvov, tends to be an alarmist (it's all going to happen any day now!) and he often ends up promoting the US' narrative while sounding like he is against it.

      That said, there is much in what he writes. The Russians work with established governments and to prevent the Russians working with Iraq after they have secured Syria, the US will try and make sure there is no effective Iraqi government for the Russians to work with. Hence the urgent need for a breakup of Iraq now.

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    3. thanks Charles, I haven't even had coffee and I have two articles to read!

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    4. charles: interesting article. I enjoyed it very much.
      I see that Sinjar is getting a rename and rebuild right in line with the destroy Iraq scenario or should I say remake the ME sykes picot 2

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