Tuesday, January 26, 2016

The YPG-PKK Connection- Erdogan & Ocalan Had Agreed on Autonomy for Kurds in Turkey

 Prior to the PKK suddenly ending the ceasefire!

Cause Turkey ain't talkin' trash when it's elected government speaks of the ties between PKK and YPG. Erdogan thought he was playing in the big leagues. Turkey being a NATO member. Erdogan forgot Turkey is a member of NATO out of convenience and nothing more.

Btw: this wouldn't be the first time the US double crossed Turkey-  Turkey wanted reassurances way back, when the US attacked Iraq. And those reassurances were not delivered despite Paul Wolfowitz's  understanding ways!  Pt2: Kurd/ISIS symbiosis and the Impending destabilization of Turkey

2nd: Someone by the moniker of Paveway Mk IV had left some commentary regarding PKK/YPG and other assorted alphabet groups- If I understood correctly what Paveway was contending, Barzani was the string puller in this entire situation- Or at least most of it. Admittedly the Kurdish issue is complex, however, from all my reading and writing I can only conclude Barzani is being pushed out- It surely appears to me that Barzani will most likely be gone by years end. Barring anything outside of the remaking the middle east agenda playing out as I expect it too so far   Barzani's troubles... *He has a good relationship with Erdogan and Turkey. *Oil revenues are way down and there are financial troubles aplenty in Iraqi’s Kurdish region. *Not the least of which is the trouble with all the Kurdish refugees from Syria. * Goran is a destabilizing force in Iraq's kurdish area.  You can read Paveway's comments here  Paveway left nothing that would substantiate his claim , so, I don't know? I have previously demonstrated a strong connection between PKK and YPG. Barzani is not included in that partnership. So here is yet another article regarding that connection.  The main reason the YPG wouldn’t bother with a push southward is due to the fact they have another goal. I’ve written plenty about this previously. One post that ties much of this together - A Sober Look at the West's Kurdish Allies
From today:Atlantic Council- I’ll highlight the interesting bits:
In mid-July 2012, the Syrian government withdrew its forces from a large amount of territory along the Turkish border. This move allowed the Democratic Union Party (PYD), a Kurdish nationalist group linked to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK)—a US- and Turkish-designated terrorist group—to take administrative and military control over the self-declared cantons of Efrin, Kobani and Jazira, collectively named Rojava. The link between the PYD and PKK challenges Turkey’s interests in Syria and, by its own estimate, its national security.
To support the PYD’s political and military efforts in Syria, Kurds from Turkey, Iran, and Iraq ( In Iraq's mountainous areas-where the PKK is located) have travelled to Syria to join with the People’s Protection Units (YPG), the PYD’s militia. The growing sense of cross-border pan-Kurdish nationalism has contributed to the resurgence in violence in Turkey’s southeast, following the break-down of peace talks in mid-July 2015 between the Turkish government and the PKK. In an interview with the International Crisis Group, an unidentified PKK member underscored the importance of Rojava, describing the war in northern Syria as a historic opportunity to implement its program of “democratic self-administration,” a system of governance based on imprisoned PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan’s teachings.
As I've stated Turkey has legitimate concerns for it's territorial sovereignty!
Between 2013 and late 2014, the Turkish government tolerated the cross-border movement of Kurds and a small number of radical leftist Turks. Ankara acted out of deference to the then ongoing peace talks with Öcalan and welcomed the large exodus of PKK-allied Kurds for strategic reasons. The government considered the YPG-ISIS war a net positive, given that two entities hostile to Turkey were killing one another.
So, Ankara was happy to let the kurds go to Syria to make trouble because they wouldn't be making trouble in and for Turkey
During this time period, Turkish security forces refrained from conducting military operations in Kurdish-majority areas and the presence of PKK fighters was tolerated in urban areas. A key turning point, however, came in September 2014, when the Islamic State (ISIS or ISIL) besieged the town of Kobani. In response, the Turkish military sealed the porous Turkey-Syria border that Kurds had been using to fight and trade with their counterparts in Rojava.
For the obvious reason that Turkey didn't want them back- They would only stir the pot, in Turkey. And this claim about Turkey's so called "porous" border is not credible either. It seems more likely that Turkey has been impeding the free flow of Kurdish fighters into and out of Syria. As I've mentioned the Kurdish fighters pour into Syria via Iraq.
"Despite the tightened border, ( so much for the US claims about "porous borders") Kurds from Turkey remain well represented in the YPG, further underscoring the group’s links to the PKK"
"In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Kurdish fighter Zind Ruken expanded on the PKK-YPG relationship. “Sometimes I’m a PKK, sometimes I’m a PJAK [the PKK-allied affiliate, active in Iran], sometimes I’m a YPG. It doesn’t really matter. They are all members of the PKK.”
This is not shocking to me. I've already stated this destabilization will pick up between Turkey and Iran-  With PKK Kurds moving between the  nations. The PKK has drug smuggling routes aplenty to use enabling the fighters to traverse the terrain.  Three Cheers for the PKK? Or EXCLUSIVE: Former top PKK commander Osman Ocalan speaks. I've written about this repeatedly! 

As for Ocalan's 'anarchism' His so called anarchy reeks of OWO tyranny rhetoric. Globalist mumbo jumbo. I've read some of it myself and come away unimpressed by it.
The YPG’s casualty data confirms linkages between international PKK-linked groups. Kurds from Turkey total 49.24 percent of the YPG’s self-reported casualties between January 2013 and January 2016, according to an ongoing Atlantic Council study. YPG martyrdom notices show that 359 Turkish citizens, 323 Syrians, 32 Iranians, seven Iraqis, two Australians, two Azeris, and a person from England, Germany, Greece, and the United States each have been killed fighting with the group since January 2013. To be sure, there are methodological problems with the data: The two authors relied on self-reported numbers and have not been able to cross-reference this information with the PYD.
Nonetheless, the casualty data closely reflects known YPG offensives, including the 2014 clashes around Ras al-Ain with the Nusra Front, the battle for Kobani in September 2014, and the 2015 YPG-led offensive towards the Euphrates river and Ain Issa, a town near ISIS’s de facto capital of Raqqa. According to the data, the battle for Kobani accounted for 38.95 percent of overall casualties and 44.4 percent of the Turkish Kurds killed with the YPG between 2013 and 2016.
During the battle for Kobani, the US-led anti-ISIS coalition worked closely with the YPG to direct airstrikes. Since then, the coalition has retained its close links with the group, deploying up to 50 special operations forces inside PYD-controlled territory and reportedly staffing an airfield inside Syria to ferry supplies to Kurdish-controlled territory. Backed by coalition airstrikes, the YPG has made considerable advances against ISIS and now controls 265 miles of territory along the Turkish-Syrian border.
The Turkish government views this collaboration with suspicion, owing to the YPG’s relationship with the PKK. Officially, Turkey makes no distinction between the YPG and the PKK. However, Ankara’s actions suggest that the government tolerates the US-YPG partnership. US aircraft based at Turkey’s Incirlik Air Force Base fly strike missions in support of the YPG in Syria just as the Turkish Air Force bombs PKK targets in northern Iraq and southeastern Turkey.
The Turkish government is right to view this collaboration with suspicion. What choice do they have but to tolerate the US aircrafts based at Incirlik? Incirlik is a US airbase and Turkey is NATO occupied.
While the US-YPG partnership has put considerable pressure on ISIS, the PYD’s political ambitions inside Syria (matching closely with those of the PKK) pose a longer term threat to Turkish security. This threat has grown more immediate in recent months, following the collapse of a two-year-old ceasefire in July between the PKK and the Turkish government.
According to the International Crisis Group, between July and mid-December 2015, “Violence claimed the lives of 194 security officials, at least 221 PKK insurgents and as many as 151 civilians.” Much of the fighting has taken place in urban areas between the PKK’s youth group, the YDG-H, and Turkish security forces. In recent weeks, the YDG-H has rebranded itself as the YPS (Civil Defense Units), which now flies a flag identical in design to that of the YPG, albeit with different colors.
For now, the PYD remains focused on its political project inside Syria, which requires a YPG-Turkey ceasefire. Open hostility risks opening another front against the Turkish military while its forces are deployed against ISIS. PYD successes in Syria, however, have influenced the PKK’s overarching ambitions in Turkey and, in turn, the Turkish government’s assessment of the threat they pose.
The PKK’s involvement in two overlapping fronts shape this assessment. The first front remains inside Turkey against Turkish security forces for what the Democratic Society Congress (a PKK-linked Kurdish group inside Turkey) recently called the formation of autonomous regions based on cultural, economic, and geographic ties. The second hinges on support for the PYD’s project inside Syria via the YPG. This investment and possible PKK-YPG cooperation suggests similar political ambitions in Turkey and Syria, and is disturbing to the Turkish government.
How the relationship between the Turkish state and the PKK develops largely depends on how the PKK approaches—and defines—autonomous governance in Turkey. 
"Before the collapse of the peace process, leaks about the state of the peace talks suggested that Öcalan appeared willing to support a proposal backed by Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party’s (AKP) to transition to a presidential system in exchange for some semblance of democratic autonomy. The move would have helped resolve the issue peacefully by addressing key Kurdish demands (beyond those espoused by the PKK) for greater political and cultural autonomy. The AKP supported the premise of this potential compromise, although many details needed to be worked out before implementation"
Before the Kurds turned their back on the peace process, by ending the ceasefire, the AKP party had offered the Kurdish leader some type of democratic autonomy for the Kurds. Reread that bolded, highlighted section! Instead of taking the offer with an eye to future negotiations, the PKK ended the ceasefire! WHY????? What other players did not wish to see a strong, united Turkey? A peaceful solution worked? I would suggest and quite safely so, the US and Israel as two parties actively promoting and participating in a violent destabilization of Turkey. We know the US is very big on remaking the ME. Israel is certainly another party who would not want to see a peaceful resolution to this issue. We all know Israel wants the 2nd Israel- Kurdistan aka “Second Israel”- Ethnic Cleansing the Indigenous of the Middle East or Kurdistan. NATO’s new Southern Flank? With Turkey and Iran divided and weakened by  Kurdistan/Israel 2.0

And we didn't need the Israeli justice minister to tell us this was Israel's desired outcome!
It's been so obvious for years now, that disinformation/limited hangouts posted on so called alternative sites talkin' it up are way too late to the party!
The PKK leadership in Kandil refuses to return to peace talks unless the Turkish government addresses the group’s demand for “democratic autonomy.” Today, the PYD continues to pursue this vision in Syria, pushing to unite the Kobani and Jazira cantons with Efrin (a disconnected piece of Kurdish-administered territory opposite Turkey’s Hatay region).
The Atlantic Council’s casualty data shows a clear shift in casualties in late 2015 towards the western front near the Tishreen Dam, compared to a few months earlier, when YPG fighters were dying near Ain Issa. The trend suggests that the YPG intends to expand its territory east of Efrin and west of the Euphrates—directly challenging Turkish interests in northern Syria, but in line with the group’s longer-term ambitions in northern Syria.
The synergies between the PKK and PYD’s overarching political goals pose a longer-term problem for Turkish interests in Syria. The violence in Turkey’s southeast contributes to these problems and hastens unilateral declarations of autonomy in Kurdish districts and towns inside Turkey. The United States is now involved in this unfolding conflict through its support for the YPG. Absent a return to Turkish-PKK peace talks that address the autonomy question, these dynamics point to continued violence and, more broadly, considerable friction between the United States and Turkey over the PYD and PKK’s longer term political endgame.


  1. US just deployed financial advisors - like Ukraine - to Kurdistan after Barzani call days ago for financial aid.

    Israel defense minister today said that ISIS has enjoyed Turkish money for it oil, with only a tinge of Golan irony.

    1. Thanks anonymous for the comment- I wanted to find the links that corroborated them for myself and anyone else that reads :)


      ' Iraq's Kurdistan Region will receive US technical specialists and advisers who will assist in coping with the current financial crisis, the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) announced in a release following the meeting between KRG's Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani and US Ambassador to Iraq Stewart Jones"

      This is a big LOL coming from Israel!
      The country that purchased more so called ISIS(KurdIShIS) oil then anyone else...


      Israel definitely doing it's bit for the destabilization cause I've long mentioned. Sheesh
      Bad Turkey- but never ever Bad Israel

    2. http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/seven-allies-establish-nato-s-strategic-communications-center-of-excellence-in-latvia

  2. Weapons supply through BAGHDAD

    1. I see that news re Russia supplying Kurdish fighters through Baghdad
      Which raises a pile of questions.
      Are these the same fighters the US drops weapons too?
      Are these different fighters?
      If the same, how does Iran fit into this?
      If different, again, how does Iran fit into this?
      Understanding full well there is disagreement among the Kurds- certainly not anything like unity so.....

  3. Hi Penny

    When ever get to a point of had enough of humans being all antsy with each other I go here for some belief rebuilding, it works :-)



    1. Thanks Gordon

      I've been feeling a mix of disgust and disappointment with well a bunch of stuff

  4. Hi Penny -
    I came across an interesting article that puts together the Erdogan/ Turkey reaction to Biden's visit last week to Turkey. There are some VERY interesting opinions from Turkish media that didn't appear in the west so ... thought I'd send it along for your viewing:

    I really think Paveway should take a ride on one of the few Paveway rockets UK has left, as those statements he made don't seem to be backed up by any proofs in the public sphere. But don't count Barzani out - his bff in israel is bibi who called for a kurdish state. And frankly, with HRW calling out Iraqi kurds for ethnic cleansing a couple weeks ago, they seem to be on the same wavelength as PKK/PYD and tel aviv.

    Thanks for the update!

    1. Hey Sil
      I'm playing catch up on comments
      Interesting article indeed, I covered some of Biden's backstabbing in another post

      " "Biden went on to meet with President Tayyip Erdogan, but an expected joint statement was not issued.

      Biden: "He criticized the Turkish state for intimidating media, curtailing Internet freedom and accusing academics of treason" (Biden has chutzpah considering the state of the US media, internet and freedom in general)

      Biden: "Last week, he denounced as "dark, nefarious and brutal" more than 1,000 signatories of a declaration that criticized Turkish military action in the southeast"

      "More recently, reforms have faltered and Erdogan has adopted a more authoritarian style of rule. (I've read those same memes "authoritarian/dictator/Hitler wrt Assad, Hussein, Gaddafi, etc)

      "In an apparent rebuke, Erdogan told Biden on Saturday that he expected sensitivity from Turkey's allies and that they should avoid statements which may equate to support for those trying to hamper Turkish efforts to fight terror, presidential sources said"

      And as usual, I seemed to be the only one- while amazingly others were spinning Biden sided with Erdogan against the PKK- when nothing of the sort happened

      I should make a small posting putting those two together for the record-

      I don't even know who this Paveway character is???
      Or why he/she stopped by to post all that stuff?
      Who knows, really?
      Thanks Sil for commenting and the link :)