Saturday, April 16, 2016

The Bolshevik's Occult War- Excellent Read!

It took me all day to get this read. Just running back and forth to the computer between chores and baking. Blueberry cobbler- Yum :)  

I checked all the links and managed to find a copy of one of the books being referenced, for reading at a later date:  Red Shambhala: Magic, Prophecy, and Geopolitics in the Heart of Asia

 But the article below? Thought provoking. Interesting. Dot connecting. Perplexing



Sami sorcerers and Buryat shamans, connoisseurs of cryptography and ancient poisons, hypnotists and psychics, telepaths and clairvoyants – who wasn’t brought in to work in the OGPU [Unified State Political Directorate] Special Department directed by one of Lenin’s closest colleagues, Gleb Bokii. The Special Department was consulted by luminary of Soviet psychiatry academic Vladimir Bekhterev, and one of its key officers was none other than the famed terrorist Yakov Blumkin, a favorite of Cheka head Felix Dzerzhinsky and the prototype of Maksim Isaev, Stierlitz. And Bokii himself possibly served as the prototype of another well-known personage – Bulgakov’s Woland. It was said that at the Chekist’s dacha events frequently took place akin to the ball described in Master and Margarita.

At the beginning of the Great Fatherland War [World War II], on Hitler’s personal orders, Abwehr agents searched for surviving officers of the NKVD’s Special Department, disbanded by that time, and offered fantastic money – 50,000 Reichsmarks to only answer in detail two or three dozen questions. In current evaluations that’s half a million dollars. That was the value accorded officers of Gleb Bokii’s Special Department!

 Revolutionary and occultist Gleb Bokii, chief of the OGPU Special Department.  
 Before the revolution Bokii had succeeded in making a career as a convicted bandit. Over 15 years he stood before the court 12 times, including for murders. But every time by some miracle he was able to escape, or he was acquitted and released. It’s notable that no small sums for bail were brought for the bandit Bokii at various times by the mystic and hypnotist Gurdjieff, medium and clairvoyant Pavel Mokievsky, and also the Tibetan healer Pyotr Badmaev, who treated Emperor Nicholas II’s family. Gleb Bokii’s fighters were engaged in so-called expropriations – stripping property from rich people for the use of the Social Democrats and Bolsheviks. Long before the revolution the future head of the State Security Special Department became friends with Vladimir Lenin, whom he for some reason always called by his mother’s maiden name – Blank. And only once did Bokii call the leader of the world proletariat the name now etched onto the Mausoleum, on the day of his arrest. “What is Stalin to me?” the arrested Chekist stated to NKVD chief Nikolai Yezhov. “I was appointed by Lenin!”
 Read the rest at Espionage History Archive 

 Translated by Mark Hackard from this  Original Article

19 comments:

  1. Hi Pen, interesting article.
    It is curious how we automatically assume that founders and subsequent leaders of religions, ideologies and all sorts of "isms", including atheism, belief these 'beliefs' themselves.

    Given that all these 'religions' either start out or end up as power plays to subvert reality, we should first look for evidence that these leaders and proponents actually do what they preach which is the best indicator whether or not they believe what they say.

    "Is the pope a Catholic?" This question is framed as rhetorical as of the same ilk as, "Do bears shit in the woods?" The later question/proposal is obviously true because it can easily be verified through the behaviour of the bears. And besides, where else would they go to shit?! So the answer is "Yes"

    But "Is the pope a Catholic?" is demonstrably not true because the evidence is clear that popes down through the ages did not do as they preached. They did not and do not follow their own religion. So the answer is "No"!

    So why should we be surprised (upon reflection) that the Bolsheviks believed in the possibility of supernatural forces (be they personified or not) and not actually atheists as they preached (for others)?

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    1. Wrong. If the question is "Is the pope a Catholic" then the behaviour of his predecessors has no bearing whatsoever on his beliefs/behaviour. Your argumennt answers only the question "Is the Pope function always held by a Catholic". See the difference?

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    2. Nice try, Gallier, but no cigar! :)

      You have missed the point; founders and subsequent leaders of “isms” do not believe their own dogma. This is evidenced by the facts throughout history that these founders and leaders do not follow the edicts of “their faith” that they preach to others. I used catholic popes as an example of that: “the evidence is clear that popes down through the ages did not do as they preached.”

      The Bolsheviks (who espoused atheism) are seen in the article that Penny linked to as demonstrating yet again that their behaviour is in no way constrained by the beliefs that they espouse and we should not be surprised by this.

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    3. You don't get it, do you? My argument is only formal, has nothing to do with the Bolcheviks or the popes (who were for the most the hyopocrites they appeared to be). But, from a strict logical point of view, your assertion is a logical fallacy of unwarranted generalisation. The position of pope or of über-bolshevik does not inherently require the holder to not believe what he professes, therefore, the observation that most of them were hypocrits, is formally not suffisant to conclude that a specific one is. One pope can be a devout Catholic, as one bolshevik can be a true believer (which in that case would make him exactly the murderous loony that ideology creates).
      So to make it short, I'm not disputing that a lot of popes were not catholics or that a lot of top bolsheviks were hypocrits, but that your formulations are logically unsound.

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    4. As for the use of "Is the pope a Catholic?" as a self evident tautology you are indeed right, it can not be used as such. Though the function of pope requires theoretically that its bearer be catholic, it is clear that it can be held by a hypocrit as the historical record justly shows. But the important point to remember is that the inversion of that proposition does not imply the contrary observation. It is not because one has observed hypocritical popes that all popes must be hypocrits. It's the logical inversion you did that triggered my remark.

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    5. Penny, I posted a reply to Gallier earlier and it was published but then subsequently disappeared. Here it is again as best as can repeat it. If the original turns up, could you delete it (the original)? Thanks.


      ”You don't get it, do you?”
      Um, …. that is an Ad Hominem, Gallier.

      I did not address your points because they, together, amounted to a 'Red Herring' in regard to the topic of Penny's post. I wanted to stay on topic and so returned to it. I also wanted to keep the exchange light and thought that if I responded to your argument and pointed out your own logical fallacies that this would be seen as an undue attack on yourself. It would also add to the red herring.

      The fallacies you engaged in in your first comment are Equivocation, Strawman and Arguing the Arbitrary. But I did not pursue them for the reasons above plus, the comment of yours seemed out of character to me. I like you and always read your comments with interest because you are well informed, witty, and do not indulge in ad hominem attacks – till now, it seems.

      So that is the reasoning behind my first response. But now you have come back with more strawman arguments. Did I 'step on a corn' of yours? I'm sorry if I did but, of course, my words were not aimed at you.

      If it is not personal, then I am at a loss to understand why you would think it important enough to bother to correct what you see as a logical fallacy (inverting a tautology in an analogy) while committing more fallacies yourself in doing so. Especially if you agree with my main point, if not my analogy. Why lead the discussion off topic in an attempt to score a debating point?

      I could go through the fallacies I mentioned but that would further distract from Penny's post and probably be of little interest to readers. I would much rather return to the implied question of “why” behind the seeming contradiction of Bosheviks pursuing occult knowledge in Mark Hackard's fascinating article.

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    6. james "It is curious how we automatically assume that founders and subsequent leaders of religions, ideologies and all sorts of "isms", including atheism, belief these 'beliefs' themselves"

      And clearly they don't. The bolshevik leadership didn't. You're right to mention that they use these beliefs as a means to destroy the society they are infesting. As it was then, it is now.

      The obsession with esoterica is interesting from the Bolsheviks to the Nazi's because in someways it seems to be a transference from one power base to another (we read book after book on nazi obsession with esoterica but this was a first for a bolshevik connection

      and just an fyi for everyone: when i use the term esoteric/a I am speaking in this term-

      http://www.dictionary.com/browse/esoterica

      "things understood by or meant for a select few; recondite matters or items.

      Lastly,I understand the saying/metahphor does a bear shit in the woods and/or is the pope catholic because these are commonly held assumptions of truth- which in the case of a bear- is true
      but in the case of the pope- not true

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    7. gallier2:
      "See the difference?"

      I understand the point you are making with the unwarranted or hasty generalization (think they are the same?)
      I think? So hang on..

      Is the pope a Catholic vs The position of a pope is held by an alleged Catholic?

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    8. Gallier 2 "My argument is only formal, has nothing to do with the Bolcheviks or the popes (who were for the most the hyopocrites they appeared to be).

      So you and james are on the same page! Very good then

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    9. Hi james:

      Your comment went to spam, who knows why?!
      Always frustrating

      "I would much rather return to the implied question of “why” behind the seeming contradiction of Bosheviks pursuing occult knowledge in Mark Hackard's fascinating article.

      I would too because I found that article left me with more questions then answers.

      Example "the objective: study of mass hypnosis, “polar madness,” which the Pomors called “hysteria,” and the Eskimos termed the “call of the North Star.” Many researchers of the North encountered this phenomenon, including the famous Roald Amundsen. Members of Northern expeditions would hear “voices” summoning them to carry out seemingly insane actions

      Why would this occur at both the poles?
      Does this have to do with magnetism? Or something else? Hubby and I were trying to come up with reasonable thoughts on that!

      And why is so much of this information still classified?

      "What kind of proof will become clear after the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) declassifies archive materials on the Tibetan expedition. This was planned to be done in 1993 and again in 2000, but for some reason these materials still haven’t been declassified.

      Is there no information?
      Or is there really something startling or shocking?
      All the money given to this department, what was it used for?

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    10. Lots of good questions, Penny. The appeal of occultism to many is the promise of power.

      The Bosheviks were mostly of jewish origin and many, like Trotsky, were Zionists. The Bolsheviks were funded by Zionist bankers and if anyone is into power it is these Zionist bankers.

      Though Putin and his Eurasianist faction/supporters have the upper hand now over the Atlanticist (globalist/zionist) faction, it would be foolish to think the zionists no longer have any power.

      We can see this power, I believe, in the foot-dragging and counter-productive behaviour of the management of the Bank of Russia and sections of the Russian media that promote the likes of Navalny. Media and central banking are traditionally the province and preserve of zionists.

      Presumably, this globalist/zionist faction wields considerable power throughout the Russian bureaucracy and could stifle the publication of the documents relating to the Bolsheviks' pursuit of the occult.

      This pursuit of the occult would undermine the image of the Bolsheviks as being atheistic and perhaps prompt the question, "Well, what religion are these mass murderers really following?" All sorts of things would follow on from that.

      All speculation, of course, but it seems to me to be the most likely answer given the nature of the players involved and the information we have.

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  2. There are two pairs of popes today, the white popes and the black popes. One of the black and one of the white popes have resigned but still alive. The black popes are the Jesuits. It is my understanding that the Jesuits created Freemasons, etc. (Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Shriners). These organizations have an exoteric religion for the initiatives and an esoteric religion of the higher leaders (example, the 33, 32, 31 degrees for the freemasons). It is interesting to check out the symbols of these and compare to the Islamic faith.

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    1. This most recent Pope Francis is a black pope and he certainly gets lots of good media hype- which I personally find sickening-
      what a show, what a show!!!

      I like to just call them the high holy bankers..


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  3. Hey, what goes around, comes around!
    Shambala, Agartha, Le Roi du Monde, Dalai Lama, Badmaev, Tibet. Everything was in a book that my grand parents read avidly and had a place of pride on our book shelves. It was called «Bêtes, hommes et dieux» (in fact it was a translation from the English "Beasts, Men and Gods", 1922) written by Ferdinand Ossendowski, a Pole who lived in Russia, Manchuria, Siberia, where he was caught by the Revolution and joined the Kolchak's Army. After Kolchak's defeat he tried to escape to India through Mongolia, China and Tibet. He met the (not anymore) "mysterious" Major-General Baron Roman Nikolai Maximilian von Ungern-Sternberg (of Germano-Baltic nobility), known as the "Mad Baron". The Baron was a mystic who was fascinated by the beliefs and religions of the Far East such as Buddhism and Lamaism, and "who believed himself to be a reincarnation of Kangchendzönga, the Mongolian god of war. Ungern-Sternberg's philosophy was an exceptionally muddled mixture of Russian nationalism with Chinese and Mongol beliefs. However, he also proved to be an exceptional military commander, and his forces grew rapidly. Ossendowski joined the baron's army as a commanding officer of one of the self-defense troops. He also briefly became Ungern von Sternberg's political advisor and chief of intelligence. Little is known of his service at the latter post, which adds to Ossendowski's legend as a mysterious person. In late 1920 he was sent with a diplomatic mission to Japan and then the US, never to return to Mongolia. Some writers believe that Ossendowski was one of the people who hid the semi-mythical treasures of the Bloody Baron. Eventually the Mad Baron was caught by the Bolsheviks and executed.
    Ossendowski talked for the first time about Shambala, Agartha, the King of the World, creating a veritable craze about Tibet, "esoteric Buddhism", Tantra, etc., and his book (today largely forgotten) was deemed a sort of "hidden message" from Agartha, turning many heads and setting a trend in "occult" studies (the book is available in pdf.)

    For those interested a good read is:

    © Victor und Victoria Trimondi, "THE SHADOW OF THE DALAI LAMA, Sexuality, Magic and Politics in Tibetan Buddhism."
    @http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/

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  4. Sorry, but I think the whole book, based on statements from this communist revolutionary leader and murderer, is a total disinfo thing.

    There wouldn't be any reason for him to tell the truth about what motivations he had or anyone else.

    Was Bokii jewish?

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    1. Bokii was jewish, yes
      But, not sure what book you are referencing?
      btw: happy to see you here :)

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    2. Was referencing the book you noted at the top of the article - my point was only that if it's based on historical and archived statements and documents from professional liars (i.e. communist agents and higher-ups operatives), then it becomes in essence, a propaganda piece. Even if the author's intent is to only shed light on history and discover the truth.

      Hi!

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    3. Hi Slozo

      thanks for clarifying :)
      I've browsed the book a bit myself, but, can't say what it is exactly?
      If you are interested I'll email you a copy of it?
      But then you would have to leave an email.
      Up to you?
      However it appears to be more then just about Bokii

      description
      Znamenski, Andrei, A.
      Red Shambhala: magic, prophecy, and geopolitics in the heart of Asia / Andrei
      Znamenski.—1st Quest ed.
      p. cm.
      Includes bibliographical references and index.
      ISBN 978-0-8356-0891-6
      1. Soviet Union—Politics and government—1917–1936. 2. Geopolitics—Soviet
      Union—History. 3. Shambhala—Political aspects—Soviet Union—History.
      4. Prophecies—China—Tibet—History—20th century. 5. Prophecies—Political
      aspects—Soviet Union—History. 6. Extremists—Soviet Union—Biography.
      7. Communisim—Soviet Union—History. 8. Soviet Union—Foreign relations—1917–
      1945. 9. Soviet Union—Foreign relations—Asia, Central. 10. Asia, Central—Foreign
      relations—Soviet Union.

      chapters

      1: Shambhala, Kalachakra Tantra, and Avenging Gods of Tibetan Buddhism 1
      2: Power for the Powerless: Th e Mongol-Tibetan World and Its Prophecies 19
      3: Alexander Barchenko: Budding Red Merlin and His
      Ancient Science 43
      4: Engineer of Human Souls: Bolshevik Cryptographer Gleb Bokii 69
      5: Prophecies Draped in Red: Blood and Soil in the Heartof Asia 101
      6: Red Prophecy on the March: Mongolia to Tibet 127
      7: Th e Great Plan: Nicholas and Helena Roerich 155
      8: Shambhala Warrior in a Western Body: Nicholas Roerich’sAsian Ventures 181
      Epilogue: The End of Red Shambhala 217
      Notes 237
      Illustration Credits 257

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  5. and wizoz left this link

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/

    and relevant comment
    http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2016/04/kurdish-mullah-protected-in-norway.html#comment-form
    WizOzApril 21, 2016 at 7:22 AM

    it does have a real history repeats kind of feel to it- as so many incidents do..

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