Friday, July 1, 2016

Dugin: "Our goal is the liberation of Turkey from American influence....

.....Armenia is our greatest ally"

Regarding the Turkish/Russia reboot? I was listening to the gang at the boiler room  and they had this 2015 interview linked at the show site- Originally from Fort Russ and  worth reading.
So, obviously I have to post it!
I omitted the rather silly disclaimer because the translation is very good and would rather let Dugin speak for himself

"Dugin: 'Azerbaijan has the same meaning in Turkish geopolitics as Armenia'

“There is pro-Russian sentiment in Turkey and it is very serious. Turkey depends on Russia from the point of view of tourism, economics, energy, and in many issues from the point of view of geopolitics. Therefore, Turkey will never drastically exacerbate relations with Russia, although occasionally they are not so good.” reports these words as stated in an interview with First Information by the Russian social activist, sociologist, and political scientist Alexander Dugin.

According to him, Russia has positions which Turkey partially agrees with and partially doesn’t. Russia supports Assad and is fighting against ISIS while Turkey fights against Assad and against ISIS.

“The Americans support the Kurds. Russia is neutral towards the Kurds, while the Turks are aggressive. It turns out that there are three different positions. They partially converge, and partially do not. Therefore the Turks in fact have many issues and complaints against us in regards to the Syrian policy of Russia. As to whether this could influence Armenia, this simply in no way can because in Erdogan’s policies Armenia simply doesn’t exist, is not a factor, and Armenia is not important for Erdogan in any way. There are certain Turkish nationalist and Kemalist circles which are fighting against too large of concessions in favor of recognizing the genocide of Armenians in global politics, but Turkey has no realistic interest in Armenia insofar as Turkey is resolving a number of other problems among which Armenia is not a primary, nor even a secondary one from the point of view of Turkish geopolitics.

Further, many in Armenia believe that Turkey fully supports Azerbaijan. this is not so because Azerbaijan, in Turkish geopolitics, has the same meaning as Armenia. In fact, it is in a third or fourth rank problem. Turkey is fully focused on its national interests. Azerbaijan and the Karabakh conflict as well as the ancient problems between Armenians and Turks do not interest Turkey at all. At one point, the Armenian factor was used by Turkey in the era of confrontation between the Soviet Union and pro-Russian policies, but Turkey has turned away from an aggressive policy towards the Caucasus and practically does not pursue any policies beyond Turkey itself [in this direction]. For a long time two other forces have been active there - Islamists and other networks. Therefore, from the point of view of the real state of affairs, Armenia practically means nothing for Erdogan and Ankara.

America is pushing for an escalation of the Karabakh and Turkish-Armenian conflict, while Ankara strongly opposes this, understanding that in the situation in which Turkey now finds itself, there is no desire and now goal or meaning in opening a new front and creating new tensions. Therefore, under the current government there is no pursuit of such a course of developing Armenian-Turkish relations - there can be no positive nor negative development,” he noted. 

According to Dugin, Russia has no plans in Turkey, but Russia has plans in Syria. Russia is planning to fight to the end in Syria, that is, fully restore Assad to power in Syria and turn Syria into a regional base for Russian geopolitics:

“For this, it is of course necessary to construct some kind of model among ones allies. Armenia is the single most serious ally of Russia. It is part of the Eurasian Economic Union and the Collective Security Treaty Organization, that is, we should have a unitary system of missile and air defenses and integration on all levels, including nuclear defense and the nuclear umbrella which we guarantee Armenia. Accordingly, these actions take place in the framework of deploying a system of strategic security around Russia in relying on its allies. Armenia belongs to this first and foremost. But this is not because we are planning some kind of aggravation of Turkey or, moreover, a war. Absolutely not. 

Russia has simply gone beyond its borders in terms of influence. We have declared our goals. Our goal is the liberation of Turkey from American influence and Qatar-Saudi-Arabian ISIS, while we simply manifest ourselves as a pole of global politics. Of course, Armenia is 1oo% on our side from a military-political point of view. But this doest not mean that this is done against Turkey. Turkey is playing its own game and therefore this real defense is in fact built against NATO. To the extent that Turkey is a NATO member, this defense is directed against it, but not against Turkey as a nation-state, but against NATO as a hostile bloc which wants to regain global hegemony.”

In the opinion of the political scientist, Russia does not consider an alliance with Armenia as something directed against Azerbaijan, and does not consider rapprochement with Azerbaijan as a step directed against Armenia. 

“In fact, Russia drew up friendly relations with Armenia earlier than with Azerbaijan. Such historically developed after the collapse of the USSR. That is, Armenia, being a sovereign, independent country, nevertheless chose to remain in the orbit of Eurasian geopolitics, geostrategy, and economy. Now we see that this is institutionally anchored in the Eurasian Union and the CSTO. 

Azerbaijan went a different path and oriented itself more towards the West, but Azerbaijan gradually understands that orienting towards other countries, in particular the US or Europe, which itself entails a number of problems, does not satisfy the interests of Azerbaijan. Therefore, Azerbaijan is seeking a path to return to the orbit of Eurasian politics. Russia supports this with pleasure. But this does not mean that this is in any sense at least a partial unfriendly move in relation to Armenia. Russia is incomparably greater than Armenia and Azerbaijan by all measures precisely just as the US is incomparably greater than Greece and Turkey and cannot play only on the side of Greece against Turkey and vice versa. 

The West has installed its Atlanticist order. Russia is installing its own Eurasian order, where its participants are protected, play by the rules, and sit down at the negotiating table with the support of Russia and other regional states in order to resolve contradictions which, by the way, exist between Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Where Russia is in a partnership with different states, and first and foremost post-Soviet ones, and not only in Syria, it creates the rules of the game within which regional tensions and even internal disputes unfold. 

Thus, if we speak of a rapprochement between Russia and Azerbaijan, this should not be considered an anti-Armenian step simply because Armenia is in no position to dictate to Russia its regional policy. That’s it. Thus, this does not mean that Russia will sacrifice the strategic interests of Armenia. If it does so, then it will lose all of its friends and this can’t be,” Dugin summarized. 
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  1. Dugin makes a lot of good points which, once stated, are obvious.
    Equally obvious is that the interests of the US/UK/israel are furthered through constant conflict and Russia knows this full well.

    So it is in Russia's interests that wars are prevented and cordial relations prevail between all nations not only to counter the 'West's' strategy but also because peaceful co-existence is part of the Russian nature (without the Bolsheviks, that is). Never mind that it has suffered massively time and again through wars.

    To this end, Putin goes along with such farces as Kerry's ceasefire to make it clear to every other nation that Russia will pursue every peace initiative even though it may go against Russia's immediate interests such as happened around Aleppo recently.

    This tells other nations that Russia will defend its allies while seeking peace which means it can be trusted as an ally into the future with no hegemonic ambitions or plans.

    Russia wishes to place itself in stark contrast to the US et al who are demonstrably untrustworthy as allies (as Turkey is finding out now because of its own stupid ambitions!)

  2. First of all, Happy Canada Day, Penny.

    RE: Dugin

    I agree with your POV James. Dugin says:

    "...Russia has plans in Syria. Russia is planning to fight to the end in Syria, that is, fully restore Assad to power in Syria and turn Syria into a regional base for Russian geopolitics."

    I think saying Russia wants Syria as a regional basis for Russian geopolitics is looking at the situation through Atlanticist glasses. The West simply can't comprehend Russia just wanting stability in the region...which is the Russian region as well. Here is a wonderful interview done very recently with Bashar al Assad. He states the Syrian and Russian positions quite clearly and eloquently.

    Any country, even Canada and particularly the leaderless USA, would do very well to have such a brave and patriotic leader as Assad.


    1. "I think saying Russia wants Syria as a regional basis for Russian geopolitics is looking at the situation through Atlanticist glasses".

      Yes, indeed, Greencrow. Great point.

      "The West simply can't comprehend Russia just wanting stability in the region...which is the Russian region as well."

      The West's psychopathy precludes them from seeing this. They project their own psychopathy and hegemonic ambitions onto the Russians.

      Great interview with Assad. He handled the journalist's detachment from reality evidenced in the terms of his questions very well. It was rather 'Putin-like', I thought

    2. So you are saying that Russian support of Syria and particularly the Assad, or rather the legitimate government in Syria, is based solely upon their wish for regional stability. Nothing more? I would sincerely disagree if that is ideed your point. I can agree Russia does not wish to dominate the entire globe as does the hegemon, however they do have regional interests. The means might not include we'll bomb ya till you capitulate. But to reiterate, they have goals and they will flex if need be. Please explain why you state they "just want stability".

    3. Please explain why you state they "just want stability". :)

      Charles, if you want your questions answered around here, you're going to have to work on that attitude of yours first.

    4. I did not realize, james, you were the acting moderator.

    5. Hi Charles:

      Oh dear :(

      I missed these back comments

      We've cleared up our very small differences here previously, all of us, so let's just stay to the topic since all of us are by and large on the very same page-

      I know, I know that sounds mamby pamby- but I value everyone's contribution :)

  3. Hi James:

    Yes, Assad was very Putin-like in the interview. These men aren't the political cyborgs that we have for leaders in the west. First of all...they are truly well educated. Leaders like Obama, who pretended to attend the pretend Ivy League University of Harvard are not well-educated...and it shows! Educational institutions in the West have been so dumbed-down in the past decades that there is a growing, shocking chasm in quality of leadership in the East and West...and this should be factored in when fanning the flames of global war.

    We'se too stoopid to fight 'em.

  4. Quite thin skinned are you not James. Rather than work on what you percieve as an attitude, I will simply ignore your commentary.