Let’s flashback to the post: Turkey's Move On Syria- Why now? Broken Promises, Coup Fall out, US Elections & Chemical Weapons Meme, Again!
At the time Turkey moved into Syria we were supposed to believe that the US was behind Turkey- That seemed less then true. Less then accurate. As mentioned:
“A senior US official, apparently traveling with US Vice-President Joe Biden, said that the United States was giving air cover to the Turkish operations, telling the Syrian government to keep its planes away”Unnamed official traveling with Biden claims the US was giving air cover..
Here is the direct quote that is supposed to support the claim:
“We have full visibility on what they [the Turks] are doing,” the official told journalists”
Having full visibility does not suggest air cover- It's more indicative of spying.
Hoping none of my readers believed that spin? - Cause the Pentagon spokesperson cited below, with a name, states plainly the US is NOT supporting Turkey in their endeavour.
From today's earlier post: Erdogan's Waterloo: Turkey Invades And Occupies Syria
Elitist David L Philips Confirms the US was unaware of Turkey's move
The US Department of Defense was quick to distance itself Monday morning from the fighting and Turkish airstrikes, which at least one independent monitor said on Sunday killed 40 civilians.US not involved. Not coordinated with US. Not supported
"The United States was not involved in these activities, they were not coordinated with US forces, and we do not support them," said Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook. "We regret all loss of life in these reported clashes and have expressed our condolences to Turkey for the apparent loss of a Turkish soldier."
Ash Carter to Turkey: Stop engaging SDF aka YPG?
"We have called upon Turkey... to stay focused on the fight against ISIL and not to engage Syrian Defense Forces, and we've had a number of contacts over the last several days," Carter said
Again, throwing mud on the idea of the US and Turkey coordinating the entry into Syria?
“DOD: We want to make clear that we find these clashes -- in areas where #ISIL is not located -- unacceptable and a source of deep concern.”
Peter Cook, Pentagon spokesperson, claims these Turkish activities are not coordinated with US forces and are not supported- and condolences for the apparent loss of a Turkish soldier?
You all know the choice of words is very important. So why not just say the reported loss? Was the choice of apparent meant in this manner? “Appearing as such but not necessarily so; seeming”.
If Peter Cook was truly sending condolences “apparent” is not the appropriate word to use... Personally speaking, it's not a word I would ever use to send condolences. To anyone, anywhere, anytime. Pentagon spokesperson being intentionally disingenuous to an ally??? Turkey was never a real NATO ally - Only an ally of convenience- this has been discussed previously.
Deep Concern? Definitely much more serious in diplospeak then 'regrettable
We have Mr Cook stating plainly the US is not coordinating or supporting these activities. We have Ash Carter throwing mud on the idea of cooperation- Brent McGurk being "unacceptable and deep concern" And we have yet another slight aimed at Turkey.
Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus said on Monday that the goal of Euphrates Shield was to prevent the Kurds from "completing an end-to-end corridor" across Syria.Hasn’t that been the plan all along? To divide Syria? I've written about that plan, here, since 2011. So, if Turkey was truly being a US ally, at this time, doesn’t it seem odd they are impeding their allies plan? Much to the annoyance of the Americans...
"If that happens, it means Syria has been divided," he said, according to AFP.
The United States “should keep its word” and force the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) to withdraw to the east of the Euphrates, Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus has said, responding to U.S. President Barack Obama’s special representative Brett McGurk’s remarks on Turkey hitting PYD targets.
“The U.S. knows Turkey’s sensitivity on this issue. A promise was given: The PYD won’t stay west of the Euphrates river,” Kurtulmus told journalists in Istanbul on Aug. 29, referring to Ankara’s demand that the PYD moves back to the east of the Euphrates
The aim of Operation Euphrates Shield was to clear the Jarablus region in northern Syria of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), the minister stated.
“So why is the YPG uncomfortable if the common enemy is Deash [ISIL]?” Çavusoglu said.
NATO GLOBAL TERROR ENTITYKurds................ISIS
“They [YPG] need to move to the east side of the Euphrates as soon as possible, as they had announced they would and as the U.S. had promised,” Çavusoglu said at a joint press conference with Dutch counterpart Bert Koenders.
hattip to Willy Loman- speaking of ISIS, like the Kurds, being besties for Israel!- really worth looking at! ‘Islamic State serves positive function (for Israel)’ – Israeli think tank
I've discussed and reminded readers of this promise made regarding Manbij- The promise was made, to my understanding, post-coup. I believe it was a promise made, with fingers crossed. If ya know what I mean?
Erdogan snubs Biden; NATO hits the rocks
As I explained, the main purpose of the Euphrates Shield operation is to occupy the strategic border town of Jarablus in northern Syria and have a showdown with the Syrian Kurds (supported by US Special Forces and American air cover). The Kurdish militia had crossed the Euphrates river a few months ago and, contrary to American assurances, they are now moving westward to realise their dream of establishing a Kurdistan straddling Turkey’s border, stretching from Iraq to East Mediterranean coast. Turkey’s ‘red line’ has been breached.
A cat-and-mouse game has been going on between Turkey and the US. The latter was calculating that Turkey won’t act on the ground to confront the Syrian Kurds militarily, especially after the recent coup attempt of July 15, which weakened the military, plus the Russian presence in Syria.
Cat and Mouse Game ongoing. Oh Yeah!: November 19/2014: Kurd/ ISIS Symbiosis- The impending destruction of Turkey. & November 21/2014: Pt.2- Kurd/ ISIS Symbiosis- The impending destruction of Turkey Followed up with countless posts documenting the NATO backstabbing of Turkey. This betrayal is most probably the reason why Turkey has been constructing a massive border wall for more then a year now!! Turkey’s Border Wall with Syria
mkbhadrakumar "The stunning part is that the Turkish incursion follows a tacit understanding with Iran (and Syria). Interestingly, Russian jets aren’t visible anywhere in the Syrian skies to stop the Turkish incursion, either. Surely, NATO is rocking, since it is highly improbable that Turkey took the US-led alliance into confidence over the Euphrates Shield operation, which, ironically, aims at destroying America’s best ally on the Syrian chessboard"
A team of Iranian intelligence officials had made a quick dash to Ankara yesterday morning to give the final touch to the concerted Euphrates Shield operation against the Syrian Kurds. The Iranian delegation presumably carried messages from Damascus for the Turkish side and returned to Tehran yesterday evening itself.
According to Iranian media reports, the deputy head of the Turkish intelligence had paid a secret visit to Damascus on Sunday. Prior to that, Turkish Foreign Minister Mavlut Cavusoglu had a stopover in Tehran on Thursday for 5 hours to personally coordinate with the Iranians – avoiding phone conversations that could have been tapped by the American electronic intelligence system. Clearly, we are witnessing the first tangible signs of a super-secret deal between Turkey and Iran to further their common agenda of preventing the emergence of a Syrian Kurdistan backed by the US and Israel connecting the Kurdish homelands between the Iraqi Kurdistan and Eastern Mediterranean. (Asharq Al-Awsat")
Turkey fears that a Syrian Kurdistan will inexorably boost the separatist Kurdish insurgency on its territory. Iran fears that Kurdistan may turn out to be the playpen of American and Israeli intelligence for undertaking subversive activities against it. Equally, Iraq and Syria also stand to lose since the creation of a Kurdistan will be at the cost of their own national unity and territorial integrity. A convergence on the Kurdish problem brings together Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria.Oh, the elephant in the room, being wilfully ignored by so many!
Personally speaking: ***Presenting the move into Syria, by Turkey, as solely being part of the NATO/Israeli planned destabilization agenda including redrawing the map of the middle east is:
1-failing to consider that redrawn map includes a balkanized/weakened Turkey. As well as Iran.
2-It fails to consider the obvious symbiosis between Kurds and ISIS- ISIS shock troops/Kurdish moppers and annexers.. all done under the guise of 'fighting ISIS' with the US/Israel backing both sides
3- It is also ignoring the historical fracturing of the NATO alliance at this time. 4-Russian/China's gain. Tacitly backing Turkey at this time means (a) weakened NATO, (b)No problem with Black Sea and Bosphorus access
Personally speaking again, presenting Turkey's move into Syria without considering the points mentioned above and what has been going on the past few years is a very NATO advantageous narrative- It will allow the NATO friendly presentation to move forward with other NATO members attacking Turkey for being 'rogue'.
The Ankara-Tehran-Moscow Coalition- Pepe Escobar
As it stands, the major fact on the ground is that ‘Sultan’ Erdogan seems to have had enough of the Americans (NATO of course included) and has pivoted to Russia.Two final questions:
Thus the sending of certified Keystone Cop Joe Biden to Ankara to plead “not guilty” on the military coup (forget it; most Turks don’t believe Washington) and to implore Erdogan not to pursue his massive purge (pure wishful thinking).
Considering Erdogan’s notoriously erratic record, his embrace of ATM may be just a gigantic illusion, or may open yet another unforeseen can of worms. But there are signs this may be for real.
Cavusoglu has already intimated that Ankara is aiming for a military/technological upgrade that is impossible under NATO’s watch. In his own words; “Unfortunately, we see countries in NATO are a bit hesitant when it comes to exchange of technology and joint investments.”
Moscow has every reason to be quite cautious regarding myriad aspects of Erdogan’s pivoting. After all the Turkish military has been part of NATO for decades. As it stands, there’s no evidence Moscow and Ankara are looking at the same post-war Syria. But if we’re talking about the future of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), then it starts to get really interesting.
Turkey is already a “dialog partner” of the SCO, while Iran may become a full member as early as next year. Moscow is certainly envisioning Ankara as a valuable ally in the wider Sunni world, way beyond a role in repelling Salafi-jihadis in Syria. With Ankara and Tehran also talking serious business, this could eventually spill out into a serious debunking of the alleged apocalyptic Sunni-Shi’ite sectarian divide, which is the only Divide-and-Rule strategy spun and deployed non-stop by the US, Israel and the House of Saud.
It’s this enticing SCO-enhancing possibility that’s freaking Washington out big time. Russia pivoting East, Turkey pivoting East, Iran already there, and China now also actually involved in a stake in post-war Syria, that’s a geopolitical reconfiguration in Southwest Asia that once again spells out the inevitable; Eurasia integration.
Did Turkey purge it's military enough to guarantee it will act for Turkey?
Does Erdogan have trustworthy security?
Started on this post Monday... and that's it for today and until later tomorrow!
I've left lots to read, so please, read it :)