Wednesday, November 30, 2016

Erdogan Declares War on Syria or Just More Sensationalist Spin from Alt Media Analysts

I'm hattipin' Ally for this beauty!! I could have wrote this post myself, thankfully, someone else did the work for me.  Thank- You Ollie Richardson, whoever you are?

Unfortunately I can't put any of it here- But I encourage you to read it.
 Ollie Richardson absolutely takes down Zero Hedge and the Duran for their utter sensationalist nonsense yesterday.

Charles and I had a discussion about so called alt media- No real difference from main stream media.
Charles: "Are you implying all of these news sources are working with the west to demonize Erdogan and destabilize Turkey?"

A good many of them are. And the rest are repeaters. Simple repeaters. Like the Duran. I read their hype yesterday.. NO context. Who was Erdogan's audience?

I ended that comment to Charles with this statement

 However simplistic one dimensional cartoon character like presentations "cult of personality' are always used as a tool of distraction. Which is why I don't get into it.

UPDATED: Mr Ollie Richardson stopped by and kindly provided me with the text for his article- You can read the complete article in the comment section below- I still recommend you go to his article directly for the images included within which include:

 -Zero Hedge's shameless sensational headline, shown for all to see

-And as Ollie Richardson said.. The Duran couldn't make up it's mind on the level of hyperbole it was wanting to engage in- Having two sensationalistic headlines up. Both Duran headlines shown in linked piece.

A brief excerpt as follows:
"In the grand scheme of things, this incident certainly had importance, but nothing like the shooting down of a Russian Su-24 on the Syrian-Turkish border. This resulted in the placement of the S-400 SAM system at Russia’s Hmeymim airbase in Latakia – a move that essentially ended US hegemony in the Middle East.

A more recent example of an event that could be interpreted as a “declaration of war” is the bombing of Damascus by Israeli warplanes on 29th November, 2016. Four missiles were launched from outside Syrian territory, likely at Hezbollah targets. But alas – there were no sensationalist headlines on display regarding this incident from both the mainstream and the “alternative” media. It was just simply another day in Syria.

But Erdogan’s statement about “removing Assad” is apparently different. A few initial questions can be asked in order to examine this combination of words:

1) Did Turkey attack any Syrian Army positions during Operation Euphrates Shield?

The answer here is no. The focus of the operation was the displacement of the Kurds, under the guise of fighting ISIS, and asserting Turkish influence in northern Syria. The recent incident involving the Syrian airforce bombing Turkish proxies outside al-Bab has been logically explained as the “reformatting of the Rules of Engagement”. Russia’s agreement with Turkey involving the latter’s entrance in the Syrian theatre did not provisionally include any definite red lines. Thus, these lines will be drawn in the sand where ever and when ever it is deemed necessary. For Russia, al-Bab is clearly a red line, and Turkey now knows not to cross it


2) Did Russia attack Turkey when it initially crossed the border during Operation Euphrates Shield?

Again, the answer here is no. In fact, Russia was silent about the US air support accompanying the Turkish tanks crossing the border near Jarablus. A statement was made by the Syrian President condemning the incursion, but the Russian side was relatively quiet – no condemnation was forthcoming

3) How did the Russian side react to Erdogan’s statement?

The Russian side is quoted as saying, “We tried to understand whether it was quoted as it had been said. It was not a direct quote, but a retelling of what had been said ‘off-the-record’. We rely on the public statements”. I.e. Russia knows how the PR game works, and will treat “statements” with “statements”. Or in other words, nothing to see here, move on!

So, linking together the chain of events – the actions and reactions – it becomes very difficult to describe Erdogan’s 29th November statement as anything other than political rhetoric"

Again read the article and check the images: "Erdogan declared war on Syria" Or just more sensationalist social media spin

33 comments:

  1. http://stalkerzone.org/2809-2/

    In Ollie discussion of the Yanter and its cable cutting maneuvers, including the Atlantic frenzy over Russian clipping of of transatlantic cables, that there is no mention of the 2008 cable cutting in the lead off to the Arab Spring. It was about that time that Black berry encryption was under attack in Saudi and India which was Apple's opening salvo.

    http://finviz.com/chart.ashx?t=AAPL&ty=c&ta=0&p=m&s=l
    http://finviz.com/chart.ashx?t=BBRY&ty=c&ta=0&p=m&s=l
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy_Bells

    This is what the Russians had to say about the October 2015 NYT (not the social media armchairs...)

    "Russia has no plans to cut underwater fiber-optic cables in the Atlantic Ocean that carry almost all global Internet communications despite recent rumors to the contrary, the head of the Russian State Duma's defense committee and former Black Sea Fleet commander told RIA Novosti."

    Russia promptly deployed a sub hunter to the Atlantic. Now why would they have done that? Worried about a replay of the Med 2008 cuts?


    From the Stalkerzone website: Patrick Lancaster bio here
    https://www.facebook.com/PatrickJohnLancaster

    Who is Ollie Richardson?

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    1. http://tass.ru/en/defense/831321

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    2. The Yanter article appeared the same day as the Russian Tartus Annoucnement

      Interfax: ANTI-SUBMARINE SYSTEMS TO BE DEPLOYED AT RUSSIAN PERMANENT NAVAL BASE IN SYRIA IN ADDITION TO AIR DEFENSE MEANS –

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    3. Funny you say that.
      It was reported, by @syrianmilitary, that Russia was cutting cables from NATO navy base in Mersin, Turkey.

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    4. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201610131046286212-turkey-syria-policy/

      pretty much lays out the Turkish position quite bluntly here. Turkish Air Force on board after all the commander ordered the shoot down and probably the reason Russia wanted the air plans for Syria? Or was it the Ahmet Davutoğlu?

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    5. Who is Ollie Richardson?
      I don't know, but, he was nice enough to visit and leave me the text of his post- I shall read all your links, cause I do recall some of that!

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  2. That article was absolutely amazing. Particularly when Richardson compares the reaction to Erdogans words, to the non reaction to Israeli & US bombing raids on Syrian troops.
    I have talked to Ollie Richardson on twitter & he's very sensible, & very aware of the campaign against Turkey.
    The hatred towards Turkey is astounding in the MSM and alt media. And we know why, its because Turkey stands in the way of the greater Kurdistan project, a project that both the MSM
    and alt media support.
    Adam Garrie is fanatically anti-Turkish. His last article was about how Trump & Putin would team up to stop Erdogans destruction of the ME.

    Today Putin & Erdogan talked on the phone again. This is important, because it is now very obvious that both the MSM & ppl who claim to be pro-Assad or anti-war leftists, are itching for a war between Turkey & Syria & Russia.
    If Turkey keeps calm, doesn't react to provocations & keep their millitary involvement in Syria at a minimal, then they might survive this open assault on their country.

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  3. Greetings! I'm glad you liked my article. Who am I? Well just an ordinary person I guess, or a veteran participant in the information war perhaps. One thing is for sure - I don't like it when people use sensationalism for clicks and ad revenue, which sadly applies to most of "alt media" now. Also, many are very emotional thinkers and it reflects in their "analysis". Objectivity is #1 priority when piecing together the puzzle, and without it you get what you see in The Duran, Zerohedge, and many many others, which, frankly, are luring clicks-for-cash!

    Admittedly, Syria is the most complex war known to mankind, and that's why sources like Al Masdar and the other independent reporters are an invaluable asset in this. However, a basic understanding of International Relations goes a long way, although in saying this there are people who are apparently educated in this sphere, yet spew out some of the most embarrassing "analysis" I have ever seen.

    It is an unarguable fact that Turkey and Russia had an agreement in Syria, and anyone who thinks that Erdogan sent tanks across the border akin to Hitler during Operation Barbarossa is living in Disneyland. There are no friends or enemies in geopolitics - only interests!

    Here is the text of my article - I prevented copy and paste because these alt media sites were stealing my translations from Russian and making money from them. It's annoying for some but for me it creates less stress:

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    1. Hello Mr Richardson and thanks for sharing the text of your article :)

      I liked the article because it expressed so many of the sentiments I've expressed over the many years of having my blog.

      Me being a totally ordinary person, like yourself, who blogs from an ancient desktop in a room of her home. And takes issue with sensationalist/emotional over the top drama making that takes away from what is really going on!

      "One thing is for sure - I don't like it when people use sensationalism for clicks and ad revenue, which sadly applies to most of "alt media" now. Also, many are very emotional thinkers and it reflects in their "analysis". Objectivity is #1 priority..

      I agree wrt objectivity, though sometimes I do get a bit emotional about things, but better then 90 percent of the time I strive for objectivity.

      Objectivity doesn't win you fans- It only gets you accusations "Erdogan Lover" etc
      I'm sure you catch my meaning?

      No matter how often I discuss the many issues with "cult of personality" (as distraction/logical fallacy) here at the blog, people still wanna jump on the Erdogan/Hitler train (rolls eyes)

      "It is an unarguable fact that Turkey and Russia had an agreement in Syria, and anyone who thinks that Erdogan sent tanks across the border akin to Hitler during Operation Barbarossa is living in Disneyland. There are no friends or enemies in geopolitics - only interests!"

      Couldn't have said it better myself :)

      Since you were so kind to leave the text here I will add some to the body of the post and have readers take in the rest of the content here in the comments section-

      Thanks for sharing with me

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  4. “We entered [Syria] to end the rule of the tyrant al-Assad who terrorizes with state terror. [We didn’t enter] for any other reason.”


    The quote shown above originates from the Turkish Hürriyet newspaper dated 29th November 2016. At face value the quote itself looks quite menacing and an almost like an act of war, although admittedly nowadays, due to developments in technology and the emergence of Fourth Generation warfare, what can be defined as a “war” is debatable. For example, the US-led coalition’s bombing of Syrian troops in Deir Ezzor on 17th September, 2016, could also be viewed as a “declaration of war”. The US had never previously bombed ISIS on that hill, which the Syrian Army has controlled for some years, and the airstrike that killed over 100 Syrian troops was not coordinated with Russia. But alas, the nuclear codes were not being dusted down, and certainly no fingers were hovering over red buttons.

    In the grand scheme of things, this incident certainly had importance, but nothing like the shooting down of a Russian Su-24 on the Syrian-Turkish border. This resulted in the placement of the S-400 SAM system at Russia’s Hmeymim airbase in Latakia – a move that essentially ended US hegemony in the Middle East.

    A more recent example of an event that could be interpreted as a “declaration of war” is the bombing of Damascus by Israeli warplanes on 29th November, 2016. Four missiles were launched from outside Syrian territory, likely at Hezbollah targets. But alas – there were no sensationalist headlines on display regarding this incident from both the mainstream and the “alternative” media. It was just simply another day in Syria.

    But Erdogan’s statement about “removing Assad” is apparently different. A few initial questions can be asked in order to examine this combination of words:

    1) Did Turkey attack any Syrian Army positions during Operation Euphrates Shield?

    The answer here is no. The focus of the operation was the displacement of the Kurds, under the guise of fighting ISIS, and asserting Turkish influence in northern Syria. The recent incident involving the Syrian airforce bombing Turkish proxies outside al-Bab has been logically explained as the “reformatting of the Rules of Engagement”. Russia’s agreement with Turkey involving the latter’s entrance in the Syrian theatre did not provisionally include any definite red lines. Thus, these lines will be drawn in the sand where ever and when ever it is deemed necessary. For Russia, al-Bab is clearly a red line, and Turkey now knows not to cross it.

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  5. 2) Did Russia attack Turkey when it initially crossed the border during Operation Euphrates Shield?

    Again, the answer here is no. In fact, Russia was silent about the US air support accompanying the Turkish tanks crossing the border near Jarablus. A statement was made by the Syrian President condemning the incursion, but the Russian side was relatively quiet – no condemnation was forthcoming.

    3) How did the Russian side react to Erdogan’s statement?

    The Russian side is quoted as saying, “We tried to understand whether it was quoted as it had been said. It was not a direct quote, but a retelling of what had been said ‘off-the-record’. We rely on the public statements”. I.e. Russia knows how the PR game works, and will treat “statements” with “statements”. Or in other words, nothing to see here, move on!

    So, linking together the chain of events – the actions and reactions – it becomes very difficult to describe Erdogan’s 29th November statement as anything other than political rhetoric.


    The same conclusion was drawn by geopolitical analyst Israel Shamir, who wrote on Facebook: “Don’t panic! Turkey is not going to conquer Syria and overthrow Assad. Erdogan spoke, but the army did not move. There is no intensification of the war. The statement is a statement for internal reasons.”

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  6. Elijah J. Magnier , another extremely reputable analyst who calls a spade a spade, and who is in direct contact with commanders on the ground in Syria (and Iraq), summarised for StalkerZone what the statement means:

    “In summary: Erdogan is saying this to divert the attention on what Assad just did in Al-Bab by humiliating him and his army. He is frustrated because he can’t react, due to Russia determination to prevent Turkish soldiers and proxies from taking position on the gates of Aleppo. Assad, for the first time, imposed sovereignty over his air space and prevented Turkey from using its F-16. Therefore, he would say anything. His speech doesn’t fit anywhere really but to vent his anger and nothing more. This is neither politics not diplomacy but an emotional speech.”

    “Since a week, Turkish forces and their Syrian proxies stopped close to al-Bab. This means Erdogan is taking seriously the Syrian-Russian menace of hitting his forces if ever he ventures beyond what was tolerated (Jarablus). In fact, Turkey sent the head of its intelligence and its Foreign Minister to Iran to discuss this particular issue and the Russian message behind it.

    Turkey heard from the Iranians “there is compromise on the unity of Syria” and that the presence of Turkish troops close to the Syrian Army may open a new front Russia will not accept. Therefore, Turkey is not expected to enter al-Bab but can limit itself to be angry on TV. If, for any reason, Turkey pushes forces into al-Bab, the tension between Ankara and Moscow will return. This time, Russia is determine to protect its forces and its military facilities in Syria whoever is the enemy and at all costs.”

    Alas, despite the presence of reliable analysis available in the information space, the more sensationalist spin of events becomes the dominant narrative.

    Zerohedge.com , which publishes under pseudonyms and predicts a financial crisis every other hour, decided to run this title:

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    And The Duran couldn’t make its mind up whether to go full-Hollywood or to actually report things objectively. The first screenshot is the article’s first headline, and the second is the result of a later edit:

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    In a similar manner to how the media gave ISIS the platform it so badly craved (because after all it was win-win – ISIS get their soapbox to encourage potential recruits to come join the “cause”, and the media makes money from selling fear-inducing and sensationalist water), Erdogan must be glad that he can at least drop some bombs in the information sphere without reciprocation, because he for sure won’t now dare to do it over the skies of Syria.

    Do armchair analysts naively parrot PR statements as God’s word, or is there conscious intent to milk the sensationalist cash-cow dry? If the last 15 years (and the last 5 specifically) is anything to go by, then it would appear to be a mixture of both. Let’s hope that the current crop of delirious “analysts” seeking excitement from explosions and war don’t transform themselves into Judith Miller 2.0.

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    1. Hi Ollie. I saw your post and couldn't have said it better myself. Good that you are an objective, rational and honest analyst like Penny. Do you have your own blog where we can read more of your posts? Good to see that you are also reading Penny's blog because she is amazing. :)

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    2. Ally: thankfully I'm not prone to a swollen head :)
      You are too kind to me, truly.
      But I appreciate it.

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    3. Hi, I post original pieces on the "Op-ed" section of my website:

      http://stalkerzone.org/category/opinion/

      I write mainly about Syria, with the occasional piece about Europe and the lying media.

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    4. Oh, and here is my Facebook & Twitter:

      https://www.facebook.com/OR1ch

      https://twitter.com/O_Rich_

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    5. Went and looked at your twitter
      I see 'syria girl' left a comment there also.
      I'll make a point of checking your twitter feed more often-

      Thanks again!

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    6. Turkish Lira hit hard after the rate hike last week and has crime under assault again (See Azeri pressure and the Egypt devaluation).

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-24/turkey-rate-hike-fails-to-compensate-for-risk-as-lira-weakens

      I ve seen little discussion of the latest US anbar move in haditha, whci is not coincidentally on the road to heading up to Ez Cor (where the Pentagon just put out a presser with a rather cryptic description of the comms breakdown lading to the accident though ignoring the strikes on the bridges a day after and the Russian reported US recon planes approaching Russian bases with beacons off the same day as the US hit on the Assad troops).

      Aside, Turkey just appointed to lead the SCO energy committee as outsider while BP just bought into the super field offshore Egypt. Will be watching the progress of the Lebanon auctions and gov formation (Hariri) as JPM just funded the Leviathan field. Israel has said it will push ahead with offshore which brings back into focus the Blair led BP deals in Egypt and the LNG re-export deals alongside the rumored offshore floating Gaza port. Will Russia buy into the Eni field (Lavrov just in Italy imploring the country to act on its interests rather than those of others which Lavrov probably alluding to the implicit threat by the US ambassador that if the "Renzi" package (akin to the Dep Crown Prince in Saudi Arabia's "reforms) is not approved there will be volatility like the spike in yields that decapitated Berlusconi and led to his resigning. It has us paying attension to those offshore migrant disasters (libya and Egypt and more improtantly the Sinai assassination campaign like the recent Cairo kills). Those kills raise the issue of Egypt rumors in Syria and Sisi backing Assad forces as ISrael is launching strikes into Damascus as Fatah is pushing Hamas reconciliation (preferring to watch UAE based Fatah outcast Dahlan)

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-egypt-insurgency-violence-idUSKCN12M0BG
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-27/delek-taps-jpmorgan-hsbc-for-1-75-billion-to-finance-leviathan

      And on those latest series of Shamoon attack in Saudi taregting the Interior (Nayef). It is curious that the US flag burning at the end of the virus has been replaced with a piture of Alan JKurdi. And while the Crowdstrike analysis of the virus parrots the 2012 finding of Iran behind the attack, it ignores the Interior Ministry statement after the Aramco hack warning against German, US and Israeli computers equipment and the Saudi threat weeks before it to shoot down IDF planes transiting its territory in a possible southern Iran route (now presumably the only route with Russian layered defense in Syria, Armenia, Azerbaijan etc. Sinai again.
      https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/shamoon2/

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    7. Thoughts Ollie?

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    8. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-11/29/c_135867698.htm

      "This person known as Abu Ayesheh Kurdi" and wanted to travel to the capital Tehran. but was killed by the Iranian security forces at one of the country's borders, Iranian Intelligence Minister Mahmoud Alavi was quoted as saying...

      Coincidence?

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    9. Lavrov says Russia and Syria not involved in airstrike on Turkish military - Interfax

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    10. Lavrov's statment in that regard will be my up later in a new post

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    11. "I ve seen little discussion of the latest US anbar move in haditha, whci is not coincidentally on the road to heading up to Ez Cor (where the Pentagon just put out a presser with a rather cryptic description of the comms breakdown lading to the accident though ignoring the strikes on the bridges a day after and the Russian reported US recon planes approaching Russian bases with beacons off the same day as the US hit on the Assad troops)"

      the bridges is this a reference to the 4 bridges in Mosul, all of which were bombed by the US.. leaving only one bridge as an escape route- I mentioned that and had meant to post something on it, but, simply didn't get around to it :(

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    12. Bridge US took out day after the US airstriek n assad forces in Ez.
      "In a latest targeting that took place on September 17th, the coalition hit a position for the Syrian Arab Army in Thardah Mountain in Deir Ezzor, paving the way for..

      http://sana.sy/en/?p=89164

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    13. very disruptive all this bridge blowing- thanks for clarifying

      where I live in my town- if all the bridges and tunnels were blown I would/do essentially live on an island--- separated from the rest of the city
      and unable to get to other places

      I get the disruptive nature of these types of attacks

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    14. After exomars another Russian rocket failed to make orbit like phobos. Roscosmos takedown for graft?

      Mad dog mattis adds to the Iran risks...

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  7. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-belgium-diplomacy-idUSKCN12L0S1

    Belgium scenario?

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    1. Interesting... so your suggesting that the strike was done by a third party- with this scenario setting the precedent?

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    2. "We have coordination aimed at avoiding unintentional incidents with the US-led coalition, and Turkey is part of it," Lavrov noted. "So I believe it is necessary to verify through these channels who carried out flights."

      More:
      http://tass.com/politics/915950

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  8. http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/turkey-backtracks-call-end-rule-cruel-assad-after-russian-protest-1167661241

    http://tass.com/politics/915825

    http://tass.com/world/916119

    http://tass.com/politics/915893

    http://aranews.net/2016/12/turkey-excluded-from-raqqa-operation-coalition-official/

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  9. Ah, Elijah M. When I first mentioned him comments I seem to recall about his veracity as a source followed. I've ben teading EM for a long time. I'll give myself a pat on the back.

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    1. You do that Charles, as for me, I will continue on my own path- as I always have- I follow no analysts at all and do all my own thinking and writing- for myself- that will never change

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