Tuesday, June 20, 2017

Did the US, Again, Enforce a No Fly Zone over Annexed Syrian Territory?

Not sure why it is this question isn't being asked?
It's clear that the US has the means to do so what with all the bases they've built with the assistance of PKK/YPG in annexed Syrian territory.
Then there is another question that needs asking, this one regarding the Russian response.
Why just west of the Euphrates, Russian leadership, if the territorial integrity of Syria is sacrosanct?

The US downed a Syrian jet that was targeting "SDF forces aka PKK/YPG

Super Hornets

 "A US coalition warplane downed on Sunday evening a Syrian regime army jet as a response to attacks targeting a group of Kurdish fighters.
The coalition announced in a statement that a Syrian SU-22 jet dropped bombs near Syrian Democratic Forces positions in southern Tabqa.
“In accordance with its right to defend itself or its partnered force, the Syrian jet was immediately shot down by a US F/A-18 Super Hornet,” the statement said.
Meanwhile, the Syrian regime said in a statement that the pilot of the downed jet was missing.
The regime statement also claimed that its jet was downed while on a mission against ISIS militants"
 I have no problem with the Syrian government calling the PKK/YPG, ISIS. That symbiosis has been demonstrated abundantly here.  What concerns me is it appears the US is enforcing a no fly zone for Syrian forces over their own territory- In a replay of Iraq. I've mentioned this as a probable reality a number of times and here it is actually occurring! No one else is talking about this?

flashback:  August 23/2016: A Defacto No Fly Zone Has Indeed Been Created in Syria!
Defacto: being such in effect though not formally recognized: exercising power as if legally constituted......If it walks, and talks like a duck, it’s a duck. And for all intents and purposes a no fly zone has been instituted over Syria as the US and company openly assist the Kurds in their land grabbing, annexation and ethnic cleansing.
When the US chased Syrian jets away from Hasakah- You know Syrian territory that the US has been aiding the kurds in annexation and ethnic cleansing....

Of course at the time the US denied they had created a defacto no fly zone- Yet, then as now, it looks as if they have-

Before we get to Russia...

YPG/PKK say they will retaliate against Syrian Forces if they attack again
General Talal Silo released a statement regarding the Syrian regime forces' attack on SDF positions near Tabqa. The statement said the following:
“After the heroic resistance demonstrated by our troops and the allied forces against terrorism within the Wrath of Euphrates campaign launched by SDF that aims for isolating Raqqa city, and mainly after the Great Battle was started to liberate Raqqa city which is the alleged capital of terrorism and terrorists- during which our forces excellently progressed and liberated many neighborhoods already- the Baathist regime launched a deliberate and expansive attack on the areas liberated by SDF, using warplanes, artillery and tanks June 17, 2017. The attack targeted a territory liberated by SDF three months ago as part of the campaign to liberate the Tabqa town and the Euphrates Dam.
 Syria want's their Dams back and pardon the pun, they have dam good reasons for wanting their water/electricity supply and rich farmland back! 

"We confirm that if the regime forces continue their attacks on our sites in Raqqa governorate, it will oblige us to use our right to legitimate defense and retaliate.”
 Those sites are Syria's territory- They don't belong to a pack of terrorists the US threw their big guns behind-

Onto Russia's threat:

Link- Any aircraft operating west of the Euphrates will be tracked by anti-aircraft forces...

The Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement:
“Any aircraft, including planes and drones belonging to the international coalition operating west of the Euphrates river, will be tracked by Russian anti-aircraft forces in the sky and on the ground and treated as targets.”
According to the Financial Times, Russian deputy foreign minister Sergei Ryabkov told reporters:
“What is this other than an act of aggression in violation of the norms of international law? This, if you like, is help for the terrorists that the US are fighting under what they call their anti-terrorism policy.”
This is being ballyhooed as some big threat! I don't see it. It's not even a response to the attack made against the Syrian plane in my opinion.

 It's what's happening east of the Euphrates that should concern Russia if the territorial integrity of Syria was really the priority.

We should be able to look at a map and understand that water control is the aim of Israel 2.0 aka Greater Kurdistan.  Much like Israel the 1st- As Israel 2.0 is formed taking in the Tigris and the Euphrates...

I noticed Mr Doğu Perinçek , over in Turkey was using the Israel 2.0 title recently...
Getting harder to deny now... Read that and have it bookmarked- when I find that item it will be here.....

 
From earlier today:

Big Lie Damage Control: Altering Timelines/Saving Face for US Navy & the Fitzgerald

42 comments:

  1. Hi Penny, just finished my exams!! How are you? Sorry I haven't been commenting but I still come and read your blog everyday. I have been stresses out lately but I can relax now. You are amazing at what you do. Very aware of everything. Thank you for this post. It's really difficult to see where Russia is in all of this! Sadly, everyone has fallen for the Kurdish meme. Even when I am on public transport in Manchester, I can hear people talking about the 'Kurds' as if they are a big blob.
    I went to see a psychic a few weeks ago and she told me some really important things about my life that no one could have known. I am still amazed by this. Do you believe in psychics?

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    1. As Third Party with no first hand experience, but speaking with islamic mythos in mind. It is possible that it is just someone who can communicate with Jinn's.

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    2. Hi Kaz, what do you mean? Jins are like devils, aren't they?

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    3. Jinns are not like devils, According to islamic mythos. Humans are created from dirt and Jinn from Fire. Both have free will, both can have their believers and non-believers. But the rules of physics does not necessarily apply to them, so while walls can block our movement, they can go straight trough it, they can choose to show themselves to humans or not, so eavesdropping without getting seen, or stalk a human and learn about them. Their standard of living is different from ours and their lifespan is a lot longer then ours.

      The devil is a Jinn, but not all Jinns are devils.

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    4. But Ally, this might be the case, if it aint this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7pYHN9iC9I

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    5. Wow Kaz haha. That video was funny. Still, even if they're talking to Jinns, that's still pretty cool. I am not sure if psychics are great at figuring people out or really do have connections with spirits. Link more info if you have it. Your info on the Armenian Genocide was very useful.

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    6. A bit but not very good. Send whatever it is to me and I can translate what I don't know on Google.

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    7. Take it easy, 14 pages. http://www.diyanetislamansiklopedisi.com/cin/

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    8. Thanks, will have a look!

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    9. Hi Ally!

      I hope you did well on your exams Ally!
      Yes the kurdish meme and all it entails has infected many minds, but, then it was designed to do just that- To bad the meme is not like reality

      As for psychics- Do I believe in psychics?

      Thats a big question, so here is what I will answer- I do believe that some people are very perceptive.. and receptive to energies emitted by others- able to interpret them etc

      I believe all people have this as an innate part of their personhood, but, it is dulled by years of media manipulation and living in the unreal.

      this is why it is important to separate oneself from popular culture and I heard this the other day
      'stop stupifying' ourselves

      If we do that our perceptions will sharpen
      And the world will appear quite different and more honestly to us then what appears now through the veil.

      Does that make sense to you? I hope so.

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    10. also Kaz and Ally I enjoyed your exchange on the Jinn, because I didn't know anything on the subject- want to see the video and I don't know about the 14 page link cause I don't know Turkish at all and Google translate is poor...

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    11. OMG! that video was hilarious!!
      but scary
      I hate doing too much on line and don't use facebook at all- that vid reminds me just why that is

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    12. @Penny, if there was an English sourced website which is okey in general, I would have linked it. But I cannot, I personally do not trust Islamic mythos which is presented from other channels.

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  3. Penny, According to some reports, it is not only in SDF controlled territory but also on rebel held territory to the desert southeast of Syria.

    A newspaper in Turkey has also reported that IDF, might engage in Syria for the safety of Israel, with the arguments that Lebanon all the way to Iran will be controlled by Iran supported shia assets and thus has to act. However one should note that this newspaper failed to publish this with any credible sources.

    And strangely enough, besides the usual outcry's by the russian and syrian governments. They seem to be still okey with SDF forces.

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    1. I don't think the IDF will engage in Syria overtly, but, will continue the covert operation they've been engaged in for years- It's worked so well for them

      I don't get that Syria is ok with the SDF.. or we wouldn't have this test of the forces- US and Kurdish-

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    2. As long is they are between SDF forces and ESF(euphrates Shield Forces), which according to the map they still are. They are defacto protecting SDF forces from ESF Incursion.

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  4. Hi Penny:

    One of the points I've been making on the issue of the Russians' "East of the Euphrates" issue is that...and this timing is critically eloquent...at the same time the US shot down the Syrian jet, Iran fired 6 ballistic missiles into Eastern Syria from Iran. This attack was publically stated to be a retribution for the Terrorist attack in Tehran a few weeks ago. BUT, also it was said that the attack was co-ordinated with Syrian forces. IMO, this attack was a warning to USrael that it has been "surrounded" in its eastern Syria enclaves and that it is Iran that has been tasked with attacking it from it's eastern flank. To this end, Iran said that there were "more attacks coming". So, in summary, Russia has not abandoned the most resource rich and (future pipelines) strategic area of Syria to USrael. They just have a more complicated and co-ordinated (with allies) strategy to take it back.

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    1. I think the east of the Euphrates comment relates to their A2/AD bubble they set up some time ago-

      I wrote twice about this in 2015:

      http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2015/09/russia-building-a2ad-bubble-over.html

      http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2015/10/a2ad-bubble-syria-and-bigger-strategic.html

      Did catch that Iran fired missiles too

      Interesting take GC. Thanks for sharing it!

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  5. O?T but good to see Canada has Nazis it's govt. as does Amerika.

    http://johnhelmer.net/michael-chomiak-volunteered-for-hitler-before-ukraine-was-invaded-and-was-hunted-by-the-polish-police-until-the-1980s-chrystia-freelands-family-lie-grows-bigger-and-blacker/

    Time will tell on what happens next with Russia & Amerika in Syria. Ones going to blink and I think it won't be Syria or Russia.

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    1. hey jo
      yup, our government is as intolerable as yours, but, ya know Trudeau has way better hair then Trump ;)

      grumble, grumble

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  6. Penny, check out this interesting tidbit from FARS news. It seems the Russians have already blinked.

    It added that the fighter jet was targeted as it was flying ALONG with the RUSSIAN warplanes and they fully monitored the US attack on the Syrian fighter jet.

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960330000631

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    1. fake news. don't trust fars, they print anything.

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    2. thanks Mieszko I looked, but, have to agree with OJD below- I don't trust Fars as a reliable source- Can you find any other reports in that regard?

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  7. "Why just west of the Euphrates, Russian leadership, if the territorial integrity of Syria is sacrosanct?"

    Yup. My thought exactly. Of course I was met with a sarcastic response when I voiced my concern on SyPer. If I see something that smacks of Syrian partition, whether in language or deed, then I point it out like a gadfly. I don't want anyone to get used to the idea of some sort of "Cold War 2.0" border -- that would be a load of crock.

    Actually, if Syria is partitioned and this is accepted by Russia then I'll know we were all being played, i.e. Russia is another (((satrapy))).

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    1. this has nothing to do with capitulation of Syrian territory but has everything to do with area of operation and where airial defense assets are located.

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    2. You mean you hope it has nothing to do with a capitulation of Syrian territory. I think it is a strange statement to make. Russia is there to defend Syria, not some "Syria-West-of-the-Euphrates".

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    3. AnonymousJune 20, 2017 at 5:41 PM
      Mieszko ?

      "My thought exactly. Of course I was met with a sarcastic response when I voiced my concern on SyPer."

      Of course you were.... that place is full of perception managers.. probably Israeli

      Given up on that place completely :(

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  8. Nayef ousted, no fratricide. Qatar operation.

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    1. Where is Mutaib bin Abdullah

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    2. Saw the change of guard in KSA
      Israel and the US are very happy

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  9. What follows is also an amateur attempt to prepare some psychological tools of argument just in case Russia really does betray Syria and posters pop up to defend such a betrayal.

    West of the Euphrates

    "Moscow said it would treat any plane from the US-led coalition flying west of the Euphrates river as a potential target"

    I hope the Russian Federation is only referring to operational matters and not to a long-term policy, i.e. a partitioning of Syria. Is Russia preparing our minds for a Syrian Kurdistan?

    Russia states it is fighting to defend Syria to prevent it falling to "terrorists" (i.e. Zionist proxies) who will use it as a base to attack Russia. If Israel 2.0 pops up "East of the Euphrates" you can betcha' it will be another breeding ground for such "terrorists". Any acceptance by Russia of a partitioned Syria will contradict its stated aim of its intervention in Syria. Russia surely knows that these "terrorists" are US mercenaries; just as it surely knows that the Kurdish YPG/SDF forces are similar US proxies. ISIS cleared the way for a Kurdish "Syria-East-of-the-Euphrates"; this is why ISIS always moves when the Kurds show up.

    The elephant in this particular room is always Israel -- a pacyderm brandishing a document in its trunk called "Oded Yinon". Thus any acceptance of a partitioned Syria is defacto a Zionist action. Nothing more needs to be said on this bleedin' obvious point.

    The real sophists will try to defend any Russian collusion in partition with the cry that "Russia could not prevent it; besides Russia was only defending its own interests, not Syria's". We can dismiss the second part of that lie by referring the sophist back to the Russia's stated intent, i.e. defending Syria is defending Russia. The first part is far harder to dismiss and that is the door through which a deluge of apologism for Russia will flood the forums (if the Russian Federation does indeed endorse partition).

    How to pre-empt the sophistry of the first part? I really don't know. Russia has potent allies in the region, such as the SAA, Iran and Hezbollah -- surely Russia could easily lead these forces to victory over the Zionist headchoppers? I really can't buy the argument that the Zionists are invincible, not on the field of battle at any rate. Also note that Russia has always fought 2 steps forward and then one step back, e.g. the partial stand-down order, the recurrent ceasefires. Of course the sophist will then argue that this is all part of a clever propaganda campaign.

    Stating you are only going to defend Syria "West of the Euphrates" sounds like a boon to the Kurds; and could be a piece of sophistry from Russia designed to fool the rest of us.

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    1. "What follows IS an amateur attempt" etc etc etc

      See, I already made a mistake. Good luck. I am starting to think the world is being played in Syria.

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    2. Russia/Syria/Iran have made clear that a federation is what is desired. Assad has explicitly rejected any partition and the force moves on raqqa make that very clear.

      what should the Assad coalition, including Russia, do? take down a plane? then what?

      russia playing chess, us playing alpha go, for now.

      "As machine learning gains widespread adoption the models may begin to recognize patterns in data that they themselves influence resulting in feedback loops.”

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/19/politics/uss-fitzgerald-crash-timing/index.html

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    3. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/07/asia/south-korea-thaad-suspended/index.html

      https://www.ft.com/content/cb2db9f8-5700-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f?mhq5j=e3

      http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/22/north-korea-conducts-another-rocket-engine-test-for-icbm-us-officials-say.html

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/19/politics/otto-warmbier-dies/index.html

      Fitzgerald

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  10. Anonymous 5:05 is that from somewhere else? I'm not sure

    The moves on the ground in Syria, once done, will be nearly impossible to take back- This is how the US with the PKK/YPG fixed the game in their favour- what's that saying about possession

    " Possession is nine-tenths of the law" is an expression meaning that ownership is easier to maintain if one has possession of something, or difficult to enforce if one does not.

    The US and the Kurds already have possession of Syrian territory- they annexed it quickly and the US immediately built multiple bases to ensure their thugs hold it.

    Taking it back will be hell- if possible at all
    That is a certainty- I'm not sure that it indicates duplicity for any one party- This remake of the region has been a long, long time coming- One could say it was planned as WW2 ended- All the seeds were planted

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  11. AnonymousJune 21, 2017 at 6:35 AM

    Russia/Syria/Iran have made clear that a federation is what is desired.

    Yes, I think they have also- But the US and Israel have other ideas

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  12. So no one has an opinion on whether or not the US is enforcing a defacto no fly zone over annexed territory?

    Cause that is how it appears to me!

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    1. To me it looks like USA is trying to escalate this conflict. But still wants to make it look like the other side caused it.

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