Sunday, January 21, 2018

Kurds Rejected Russian Protection In Exchange for Syrian Territorial Return

Of course the US backed Kurds in Afrin rejected the Russian offer!
Since they and their backers have other objectives.

First an observation:

When news of Operation Olive Branch first broke the news coverage on main stream and many alternatives sites was absent! Today, I notice more msm coverage of the ongoing situation- A nearly two day delay. I suspect we'll get some heavy spin this coming week via the media- bad Turkey, bad Russia, bad Iran- Especially bad Turkey.

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Officials from Syrian Kurdish administration said Russia offered Kurds protection if they hand over Afrin region to Syrian President Bashar Assad’s forces.
Nobahar Mustafa and Sinam Mohammad, the representatives of Syrian Kurds in Washington D.C., were quoted by Turkish independent outlet Diken as saying that Turkey and Russia made a deal before the Afrin operation, allowing Turkish airstrikes.
Kurds rejected the offer, officials said, but the withdrawal of Russian forces right before the operation indicates a deal, they said.
Keeping in mind this area has been illegitimately occupied with an intent to annex Syria. I've omitted the rubbish claims of US backed Kurds wanting to make peace with Turkey. They don't want to make peace with Turkey as it exists today..  So that claim would be spin. Absurd spin.


Here is the original source of the above information  put  through translate   below 

 Russia Is Turkey the green light burns, whether he opens airspace to Syria speculation for days while Turkish Armed Forces bombed the name of Afrin 'olive branch' to put the YPG officially launched operations.


There's dust in the air. Russia gave approval to Turkey in exchange for what? What will the US reaction be? What is the scope of the intervention? Will it reach Menbic as President Erdogan said? We have directed all these questions to senior Syrian Kurdish officials in Washington. Nobahar Mustafa from the Democratic Assembly of Syria and Sinam Mohammad Afrin from the North Syrian Democratic Administration told Diken about the negotiations that are currently taking place.

Here are some highlights:
Russia's game

- The Russians are making promises everywhere, but Russia's main goal is to weaken the YPG and deliver the Afrin to the regime.

- The regime is trying to convince it that way, 'if Turkey would come good for you,' he says. But the regime does not want Turkey to come, did you know that Turkish soldiers were settled out. But apparently the regime was convinced in a way that the airfield was opened. The Russians Kafrjane [ceasefire observation point near the border with Turkey] pulled their forces under circulation changes include sheath. They agreed with Turkey. Net.

- Talks between Russia and YPG are ongoing. If you deliver us ' Afrin 'to the regime, then the regime will protect you.' We said ' we will never accept' . At Afrin we said we will resist until the end. At the same time, we had negotiations with the regime. We told them we could turn the menag weather south of Azaz and some control points in the area, but never Afrin.

- Sochi meeting [the Russians gathered the opposition] will join. But after this point, we can change this course, of course.

- New alliances will be formed. Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt.
We want to have peaceful relations with Turkey

- Turkey is sowing the seeds of a new and fierce battle with these attacks. On the one hand, the Arabs and the Kurds are fighting, while on the other they open space for the ISIID. Russia which point to Turkey 'Stop' he says, it is not yet clear.

- will give way to snatch Turkey until Apparently they want the Kurds but we are determined to resist. We have MANPAD (anti-aircraft missile). It could be Russian. We have repeatedly extended the hand of peace to Turkey, always pushed back and now they're bombing civilians in Afrin. At least seven civilians were injured. Most women and children. In the past, we were talking directly with the AKP government. Then the negotiations stopped. Turkey closed doors. We had contact at least through HDP. That road was blocked too, your friends are all in prison. We have not had direct contact since 2015.

- We repeat it anyway. We want to have peaceful relations with Turkey.
McGurk in Rojava

- Our demand from the United States was commissioned to put an end to Turkey's operation. Brett McGurk [US president's special representative before the coalition against the ISIID] In Rojava, [the commander of the Democratic Forces of Syria] today met with the General Mazlum and the Syrian Democratic Parliament Co-President Ilham Ahmad. (McGurk's rojava tour was decided before the operation, that is, the routine trip AZ) We told him that the coalition should declare a no-fly zone to protect our territories, including Afrin, from air attacks, but we are ready on land but air attacks are of course a huge threat. . Turkey's Afrin attack and demeanor will put the uS in the face of it, our view of how the United States can say that it is the clearest test of a friendly ally.

- Rex Tillerson [US Secretary of State] has made diplomatic initiatives to stop his operation by calling Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu, but that is not enough. NATO member Turkey might stop Turkey wants the United States.

- All this is happening to ISID, Iran and the regime. How can the United States stand on this?

- Turkey wants to enter the MenbiƧ. But it is difficult for Menbic to attack because the US forces are in that geography. In our opinion, there are negotiations between the US and Russia regarding crime. Al Qaeda and El Nusra gangs in Idlib are also very uncomfortable with the United States. We said to the USA, 'Come to Afrin, support us, we will clean El Nusra.' But they have not accepted it yet.
Limitlessness

- The border issue is not new. We are already there. We have powers on the border. Training on technical issues such as mine clearance. The first explanation of the coalition's speech on border power was misunderstood. It was bad. The Russians were also very angry.

Yesterday Northerntruthseeker and I had exchanged the comments below:
I do wonder if Turkey's sudden move here is part of a diabolical plan for giving the US their "excuse" to send combat troops directly into Syria now... The Turks are giving the US government their out by allowing those criminals to now go out and claim that they have no choice but to go into Syria to "protect" the Kurds...

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  1. Hey North

    the turks move is not sudden at all- it's been talked about for sometime now.
    In my opinion the use of the kurds was a means to get Turkey into Syria in hopes of further destabilizing Turkey- for the desired israel 2.0 aka kurdistan- which will be a terror state/expanded Israel- etc.,... USrael needs a big chunk of Turkey to be annexed for this "kurdistan" much water and oil resources, nevermind blocking Iran etc. Oh and impeding Russia via the Black Sea.
    think of the Turkish Straits. Have a post here on that but for now wikipedia will suffice
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Straits

    The US already has troops in Syria and lots of them- they don't need this turkish incursion to justify their desired intervention, though they may spin in that manner.
Impeding Russia via the Black Sea and the Turkish Straits.. The previous information regarding the significance of the Turkish straits is relinked below:

Turkey's referendum: Is the Sky Really Falling?
The modern treaty controlling relations is the 1936 Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Turkish Straits, which is still in force. It gives the Republic of Turkey control over warships entering the straits but guarantees the free passage of civilian vessels in peacetime.

Awareness  that control of this waterway is of vital importance to the many players involved in Syria is one important key to understanding events occurring present day
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  1. I've relinked the post that contained information on the Turkish straits- Neither Russia or Syria would want that waterway to fall into unfriendly hands.

    We can then understand why the Usrael would want the water way in those same unfriendly hands

    Looking at the map we can understand why Greece plays the NATO role it does regarding Turkey

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    1. Penny
      That is definitely a key area especially if we calculate an impending global conflict. The Bosporus is going to be key for the control of Warships, resources and trade. That is also why US sponsored the Ukraine project to completely take over Crimea and Russia's black sea port. Putin took immediate steps to secure Crimea very astutely. He knew it's significance and was clearly ready. Russia does not have many warm water ports and naval bases. Crimea also leads straight down to the notorious straits. This is vital warfare positing.

      Turkey if it leaves NATO and solidifies it's Russia raproachment is a very serious blow to ZIO US. Almost a game changer. This makes Turkey a serious target too as you have detailed. So it doesn't seem likely the Kurdish project will abate that easily, Which would also be a means to destabilisation within Turkey as a result, which you have been on to for a long time. Your discerning eyes!

      In terms of chess, Russia has given green light to Turkey to take on the US proxies, avoiding a direct conflict itself. It's harder for US to overtly engage with a fellow NATO member. That can't be positive advertising for the alliance. If it does engage, that's clearly goodbye to the fragile relationship. I guess Erdogan in time will give control back to The Syrian govt. He would much rather it be with Assad than with the YPG/SDF/US alliance. So it makes sense for him to agree on this even though he is known to be 'Willy' and therefore untrustworthy. But with Russia party to the game that is not likely. So it's a positive chess move that will have the opponent a little frantic.

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    2. Notorious straits. A typo. I'm sure you realised it should be Bosphorus Straits.

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    3. "The Bosporus is going to be key for the control of Warships, resources and trade. That is also why US sponsored the Ukraine project to completely take over Crimea and Russia's black sea port. Putin took immediate steps to secure Crimea very astutely. He knew it's significance and was clearly ready."

      Hey Abdullah- I think, that is IMO, what too many don't consider the macro along with the micro. Which is why, most people didn't pay heed to the Turkish situation though it does tell us a bigger game is at play.

      It's harder for US to overtly engage with a fellow NATO member. That can't be positive advertising for the alliance

      That same thought has occurred to me time and time again- what is the alliance if the US betrays Turkey? Certainly not as advertised. Can't have those eastern european nations getting cold feet about wedding the US, right?

      He would much rather it be with Assad than with the YPG/SDF/US alliance. So it makes sense for him to agree on this even though he is known to be 'Willy' and therefore untrustworthy.

      I think Erdogan would accept Assad, with some assurances, over the Kurds anyday- and he has said that kind of thing, then he says something else- (he plays to his audience)Agreed that with Russia/Iran involved Erdogan is less likely to overstep boundaries.

      Cause Iran's a good sized player in all this


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    4. Well, you can say 'notorious' straits, because, if we look back with even a modicum of historical knowledge, we'd see that all major events of the last 300 years revolve around them.

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    5. true enough wizoz- true enough
      and btw- good to see you here!
      Are you noticing the lack of coverage wrt what is occurring at this time, in that region. Given the history...

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    6. I always am around, be sure of that. I just take more writing 'holidays', as I advance in years.

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  2. Hi Penny, hope you are well. As usual, there have been protests in London and the rest of Europe about Turkey's bombing of Afrin. The paid 'useful idiots' will be up and ready to serve the elite's interests very quickly with their stupid placards. Anyway, I am doing a university dissertation on democracy titled something like, 'Does democracy work?'I am actually a bit confused about how to structure this or if I should be a bit more specific on how to structure it. I might include some of the things you have written over the years. If you have any other sources I could use (books, articles, vids), leave them here.
    The weather here in Manchester is quite volatile - constantly changing. One minute it's puring, the next it is cloudy/sunny.

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    1. Hey Ally!
      Ally- what aspects of democracy are you going to address in this dissertation?

      If you could give me some more definitive information perhaps I could point you to some relevant information.

      oddly enough I was thinking my blog would demonstrate that democracy is a fail and that governments don't really serve their people!

      Be more specific and I will assist

      As for the weather here- we're going between frigid and warm- which is somewhat the norm for January- hence the common idea of a January thaw

      I'll check back for your reply :)

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    2. Hello. I do not know exactly what aspects of democracy I will look into - it's such a broad topic. However, I am reading an interesting book called 'Democracy: The God That Failed' and he looks at the economic side of it all - taxation, regulation and gov spending
      https://www.amazon.co.uk/Democracy-Economics-Politics-Perspectives-Democratic/dp/0765808684
      The expansion of the welfare state since the '60s has created many problems in the UK e.g. making people dependent on the government, more crime/violence/drug addiction/fatherless children. People are just dependent on the state for almost everything.
      But I want to look into the abuses of human rights both in Europe and abroad, which you are clearly writing about. The wars in Syria and Iraq. Free speech is massively under attack here in the UK.
      Identity politics will definitely be discussed in this dissertation.
      And just linking everything to democracy.
      Give me your suggestions :)

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    3. Look at Plato's criticism of Democracy

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    4. Hi Ally:

      Kaz has offered up a good suggestion- I went to look at the book your reading and then the Ricardian association theory- because that is mentioned

      However I see you mentioned:

      "The expansion of the welfare state since the '60s has created many problems in the UK e.g. making people dependent on the government, more crime/violence/drug addiction/fatherless children. People are just dependent on the state for almost everything."

      Which one would think would be democratizing, but, really isn't. Rather it's an elitists administered form of subjugation of the masses- done under the claim of democracy

      Then the human rights abuses- immoral wars.

      If we're talking democracy being for and by the people- then one can see where the welfare state is a fail-

      I'm going to check my book shelf and have a look through the blog to see what might be related

      check back!

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    5. I don't think the problem with democracy is the voters? Because, sadly, voting doesn't change a thing- thinking of Greece and the Syriza party

      Presented as anti austerity and of course being absolutely austere

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    6. But in Greece its case, its more like They already hit the Iceberg and the next captain in charge does not have magic to miraculously fix the leak.

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    7. True enough Kaz. Greece was in dire straights but now it looks worse- I personally think they should exit the euro and use their own money once again..

      But they won't.

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    8. I think they worry that If Greece somehow would part away from EU it might work in the advantage of Russia or Turkey or both.

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    9. Perhaps, but then I liken the nation state to one big family... and think that the family should take care/consider the needs of/ work together for the benefit of it's own first and foremost-

      Then if there is anything left, being charitable is ok.

      That's how I feel regarding Canada too..

      But what occurs is the opposite. Other then the handouts that keep everyone complacent the politicians do not act for the state/family as a whole-

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    10. Its a bit of this if you fit it in a different perspective https://youtu.be/GTQnarzmTOc?t=114

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