Friday, August 23, 2019

Putin and Erdogan Discuss Issues Ahead of the Upcoming Astana Meeting : Cavusoglu to Lebanon

Was there a message from Russia to Turkey in the alleged convoy strike? Given all the communication between the two countries over these many years?  It couldn’t be said with certainty that there was.
As stated  in the previous post- Idlib Convoy Airstrike Won’t Rattle Turkish Russian Cooperation & "Chimerical "Attack in Ghouta?
 How disappointed the 5/6 eyes  perception managing alt and main stream media, must be? 
Relations continue on between Turkey and Russia.  Bombs as messages?  Bloody noses and black eyes aside. Diplomacy continues on, thankfully and as expected. 
 Putin and Erdogan discussed , today, a number of regional issues, ahead of the upcoming Astana meeting. 

Diplomacy is better then death, destruction and environmental destruction.  Those carbon cult believers should keep that in mind.

MOSCOW, August 23. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has held a telephone conversation with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan to discuss efforts to establish a Syrian constitutional committee, the Kremlin said in a statement on Thursday.

"In light of the fifth summit of the Astana process guarantors [Russia, Iran and Turkey -  which is scheduled to take place in September, the parties touched upon issues related to the Syria conflict, including efforts to establish and launch a Syrian constitutional committee that are being carried out by Russia, Turkey and Iran together with the United Nations," the statement reads.
According to the Kremlin press service, the two leaders also discussed the fight against terrorism in Syria, issues facing the Middle East and bilateral cooperation.
Syrian constitutional committee
On January 30, 2018, participants in the Syrian National Dialogue Congress, held in the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi, decided to establish a constitutional committee that would work on the country’s new constitution.

The 150-member committee is supposed to include representatives of the Syrian government and opposition, as well as civil society members. Each of the three groups will hold one-third of seats in the committee.
Daily Sabah:
According to a statement by the Turkish Presidency, both leaders discussed the latest developments in Syria and Libya.

Erdogan told Putin that Assad regime attacks and violations of de-escalation deal in Idlib were causing a major humanitarian crisis and posed "very serious" threat to Turkey's national security.

Another statement by the Kremlin said both presidents agreed to "activate mutual efforts with the goal of liquidating terrorist threat" in Idlib.

Turkish FM Arrives In Lebanon to Discuss Bilateral and Regional Issues
Or Lebanese Media report

President of the Republic, General Michel Aoun, on Friday said after meeting with Turkish Foreign Minister, Mevlut Cavusoglu, in Beiteddine that many questions have been risen vis-a-vis the international community's continued disregard for the pressing return of Syrian refugees to their homeland.

"We are committed to the dignified return of Syrian refugees,” Aoun said. "Those who have already returned from Lebanon have not been subjected to any sort of maltreatment or harassment,” Aoun confirmed to his Turkish visitor.
Also related:
Turkish Foreign Minister Çavusouglu said on Friday that we have no besieged forces in Idlib but there are clashes between regime militia and opposition factions at a press conference with his Lebanese counterpart Gebran Bassil in Beirut, during an official visit to Lebanon.


  1. Hi Penny:

    As I suggested to NTS in a recent post of his on this topic...there may well be "gulan" [CIA] factions in Turkey that are behind the Turkish military maneuvers in Syria...hoping to tear a rent in the military alliance between Turkey and Russia [and Syria] but I don't believe Erdogan is wedded to these militants. Do you?

    Russia has made it crystal clear all along that ALL foreign militants must get out of Syria. I see according to some recent maps that USrael is still claiming to hold a very sizable portion of the north east Syrian territory. It is hard for me to believe that the US controls that much. How much does USrael really control?

    At some point, Assad will have to bite the bullet and kick out ALL the matter what the cost in Syrian blood.

  2. Hey GC
    There still could be a Gulen faction in the military- though Turkey has tried very hard to weed them out. So that's possible.

    Yes, Turkey is wedded to SOME of these militants.

    They support the NLF. National Liberation Front- They are located nearer to the border for the most part

    "Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) controls 60 per cent of Idlib while members of the NLF, a coalition originally forged by Turkey in May 1918, dominate the rest."

    It does not seem that they control HTS-
    HTS is a registered terrorist group in Turkey- they were declared so last year

    "Turkey's Presidency announced on Friday that it was officially designating Al-Qaeda's branch in Syria, Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), a terrorist organization. The move comes amid preparations by the Syrian government and Russia to reclaim the rebel-held Idlib Province where the group holds sway."

    Russia has also declared this group a terror group

    I'm firmly of the mind that HTS is a US backed faction. As well as an Israeli/UK/France faction.

    Saying all foreign militants have to leave and getting them to leave are going to be two different things..
    Pretty sure the NLF is largely Arab. Many of them Syrians.

    Regarding what ever actually occurred with the convoy and airstrikes- It's not at all clear, really. Lots of speculation. Contradictions.

    I posted a map in yesterday's post that shows where the convoy strikes took place- and where the SAA and allies were fighting..

    1. Further to the incident that occurred the other day one couldn't help but notice the glee of the 5/6 eyes media
      Anything to present a split between Turkey and Russia. Why?
      Who benefits from that? What parties desire that?

      from yesterday's post

      " Some media outlets are already anticipating an end to Turkish cooperation with Moscow along the lines of the Astana process. The flare-up in Idlib, however, will not affect the joint efforts of Russia and Turkey in Syria and will not lead to the disruption of the Sochi deal, the State Duma told Izvestia.

      Some media outlets? Most media outlets had the party hats and honkers out. It was noticeable. I question that kind of spin.

    2. "...Anything to present a split between Turkey and Russia. Why?
      Who benefits from that? What parties desire that?"

      The Russian/Turkish alliance will last just as long as Gulen stays in his Virgina compound and is not extradited to Turkey...aka forever.


  3. Bravo, Greencrow. It looks like we're a slightly bigger handful of humans aware of Fethullah Gülen's Terror Organisation. Everyone wants to pin all the bad things on Justice and Development (Recep Tayyip's party). It doesn't make sense that Kemalists, AKP's more moderate religious conservatives, or the Turkish socialists and communists would support the Salafists in Syria and Iraq, especially not in the name of restoring the Ottoman Empire that Atatürk's militia overthrow (a ludicrous theory floated around by Webster Tarpley and Gearóid o'Colmáin).

    1. Hi Martin... ah yes the dream of restoring the Ottoman Empire, Tarpley and Colmain are not alone in spreading that nonsense.

      Ottoman expansionism is all the buzz in the alt media- I have found it to be a ridiculous meme overall.

      For the simplest reason. The most obvious reason...

      Had Turkey wanted to take over part of Syria (or all of it) They could have done it at nearly anytime and taken it quite handily as well.

      They have the second biggest military in NATO. Heavily armed with the latest of everything.

      The military was always heavily involved in the governing of Turkey- think of the number of times Turkey was, in fact, run by the military (coups)

      It would have been easier to do when they were more aligned with Israel cause Israel would have gone along.

      And they threatened very strongly to do so when Assad's father gave shelter to Ocalan.

      Go back to 1998:

      "It tends to be forgotten, but in the fall of 1998 Turkey and Syria almost went to war. The crisis started when Gen. Atilla Ates, commander of the Turkish land forces, spoke near the Syrian border on Sept. 16. Ates, called on Damascus to expel Abdullah Ocalan and the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), the militant group that had been fighting the Turkish government since 1984. The drums of war echoed throughout the Middle East as Turkish tanks seemed poised to roll into Syria. Unwilling to go to war, the government of Hafez al-Assad, father of the current Syrian president, complied with Ankara’s demand and expelled Ocalan. Turkey would capture its public enemy number one in February 1999, five months after Ates’ speech.

      I covered this history in a post from 2016

      Considering that Turkey had the ability and prior opportunities to expand but didn't... I find the Ottoman Expansion meme just more of that disinfo spread throughout the 5/6 eyes alt and msm.

      BUT, now Turkey will want influence in northern syria- they want Syria intact because it works against US/Kurdish aspirations, but they want influence to keep the PKK in check

    2. Hey Penny,

      How are you doing? I am still visiting your blog a lot so don't think that I have disappeared. I have just been a bit busy lately but I am doing fine. As always, your posts are very informative and I hope you can continue spreading the truth.

      As Martin states, it is true that the West and even Erdogan's domestic opponents want to pin every bad thing on Erdogan as if he is responsible for every crime happening in Turkey.

      Erdogan has never had any intention to restore a long-gone empire. His only intention has been to stop the Middle East and South Caucusus from being divided by trying to unite the people and form alliances, something which NATO-Israel are opposed to. With over 4 million refugees in Turkey putting a strain on the economy, the last thing Erdogan wants is trouble on his doorstep and more refugees flooding into the country.

      Erdogan may be a lot of things but he is certainly not a dictator. He has more support than any Western leader and he also has people who oppose him and they are free to express their views, so long as it is not supporting terrorism. Many opposition groups in Turkey and lobby groups put pressure on the government to save the environment, help children, women, etc and the government often responds to these people.People are always writing bad things about the government on social media and protesting about various issues. None of this would be possible if it was a dictatorship.

      It is to my understanding that Erdogan's party has support from a diverse range of people; Kurds, Alevis (religious minority), nationalists, secularists, conservatives, something which the other parties do not have as much.

      I will be travelling to Turkey alone for 2 weeks in a few days. First, I will be in on a coastal city, then I will travel to Istanbul. I should be able to talk to some locals and get a gist of the overall climate. If there are any things you would like me to 'investigate' (lol), just let me know.

      It seems to me that even Erdogan's fiercest opponents (minus the pkk/feto), most people in Turkey seem to be aware that Turkey is being targetted by the West and that they are trying to overthrow Erdogan because his country are not bowing down to them.

      It makes me feel sad that although the population is much more united than European countries, there still seems to be factions attempting to divide people based on gender, ethnicity, religion.

      I am glad that I found this blog because even I fell for all the Erdogan memes at one point because I was stupid. I have realised that people just want to follow the herd and believe what sounds good to their ears, not what is actually true.

    3. As Martin stated, there are definitely still Gulenist factions in Turkey present and they do many sneaky things to divide the public. More than 10 years ago, an Turkish-Armenian journalist called Hrant Dink was murdered and the public were very sad about this and his death is commemorated every year. His death was used by some people to show Armenian oppression in Turkey It was found that the murderer was a Gulenist. The Gulenists are much harder to catch as they are much more secretive but I think that AKP has cracked down on most of them.

      I remember one Turkish guy I spoke to who is doing his Masters in Manchester and will be returning to Turkey after completion said that these NATO-EU organisations are just trying to destroy other country's cultures. The best thing about this world is that every country you go to has a different culture and that should not be changed.

      Here in England, it has been one of our coldest summers. I have never seen it rain so much during a summer.

      Apologies for the long rant...