Sunday, September 8, 2019

The US and Turkish Safe Zone Agreement That Never Existed, Still Doesn't.

 As mentioned back on the 7th of August: There is NO Agreement on a US/Turkish “safe zone” in Syria despite the perception managing media claims.
  Reiterated on the 17th of August Turkey & U.S. Disagree On Safe Zone- Because There is NO Agreement.
 What??? They disagree. Why, I thought there was an agreement in place??? Peace Corridor and other gibberish.  That's what the 5/6 eyes media was reporting. Alt and msm.
We're starting the second week of September. Today. And still no agreement. 
 Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan says Ankara and Washington do not see eye to eye regarding a planned “safe zone” in northern Syria, where an alliance of Kurdish and Arab militants opposed by Turkey enjoy the United States’ support in their alleged fight against terrorism.
“We are negotiating with the US for the safe zone, but we see at every step that what we want and what they have in mind is not the same thing,” Erdogan said. “It seems that our ally is looking for a safe zone for the terrorist organization, not for us. We reject such understanding.”

 It's been long, long, long clear here at PFYT's that the US has planned for and in fact created a safe zone for PKK/YPG . Including a safe area where attacks on Turkey can be launched from.
It's been going on in plain sight for so very long.
“If we don’t actually begin establishing a safe zone in the east of Euphrates with our own soldiers by the end of September, we will have no other option left but to follow our path. This is not something to be done with three or five helicopter flights, five or ten rounds of ground patrols, and ostensible presence of a few hundreds of soldiers in the region,” the Turkish president said.
Also interesting: 

Hayat Tahrir Al Sham denied Turkey establishing Observation Posts west of Idlib
A local source reported that HTS hindered establishing new observation posts in Idlib countryside.
HTS denied the Turkish Forces from establishing four military points in Ariha, Jisr Al shoughor, Mastouma south of Idlib, sources told Qasioun.
The group also threatened of attacking the posts in case of establishing them.
Earlier of last month, a Turkish military delegation made a reconnaissance visit to Idlib western countryside to study establishing new observation post
Last month? What happened last month?
" Addressing the attack on the convoy:
Conflicting narratives abound. The claim originated with the opposition. The opposition posted images on social media.  An unnamed Syrian official was quoted making statements. Long term readers should understand my problem with unnamed officials, always, but especially, in situation such as this. As well as social media imagery."
Then there was news that HTS collaborated with the US in their airstrikes, done to undermine the ceasefire.
 Clearly HTS are not allied with Turkey- Despite the spin

 

11 comments:

  1. Penny,
    Thanks for sticking to the same line you have been repeating all along vis Turkey, Russia, Syria and the Kurds. Its rational and holds up to empirical evidence.

    BTW - Do you know what happened to the syrianperspective.com site. I know you often have posted there but it now appears to be offline for the past week.

    thanks,
    Jack Condor

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    1. Hi Jack,
      thanks for reading and commenting.

      re: rational and empirical evidence

      I've tried all along here to go where the evidence takes me... evidence as best can be discerned through media reports. That diligence has mostly gone unappreciated or down right ridiculed, as I walk my own path. That's fine.
      As I've been correct in my observations.

      As for syper? Don't know what happened there or if that site will be back- I stopped visiting some time ago- simply not worth my time-

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    2. I cannot believe just how much you have been ridiculed for simply stating your thoughts/opinions which are backed up by facts. Even if there are disagreements, no need for name-calling.

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    3. Ally,

      name calling always speaks of the weakness of an argument.
      So while it's annoying it tells more about the name caller then the recipient of the names, except most people,sadly, very sadly, don't get that.

      because most people just want to 'belong'
      story for another day.........

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  2. Hey Penny! How are you doing? :)
    I came back from Turkey early this morning and all I can say is: wow. Turks are certainly not how they are portrayed at all. I met the loveliest people on holiday and even saw some family and they took drove me to Ankara and we passed by many small towns.
    Walking into Turkey, it doesn't really feel like you are in the Middle East or an Islamic country. However, they do have a lot of Syrians and many people are bothered that so many have flooded into the country and there is more crime but they have tried not to be hostile.
    One thing I notice is that Turkey certainly is a very colourful country with a very colourful people. They really are an extremely attractive people who dress very smartly/elegantly and I have seen a variety of fashions. Lots of very European looking people-very white, blue eyes, green eyes, grey eyes. and they have many ethnicities including Greek, Armenian, Zaza, Laz, Kurd, Circassian, Balkan. Men always in fancy shirts/polo shirts and nice trousers/jeans and even many in full suits. Women dress very feminine and colourfully and have a sweet attitude. Mini dresses, mini skirts, shorts, fancy blouses, shorts and nice top, nice blouse and skinny jeans, lots of nice jewellery, nice handbags, variety of hair colours (even blue, purple). Women with tattoos, piercings, dreadlocks. I personally was going around in mini dresses most of the time and had no problems. Even the women who wear hijab dress so elegantly; colourful/floral headscarf, nice colourful dress/long top with trousers underneath or slim-fitting jeans and a cool blouse. They certainly look and dress better than English people and most Europeans in my opinion. Very natural women too-little make-up as their skin is so good. Walking around the country, you do not see any tracksuits and scruffy clothes like we are so used to seeing in England!
    They have soo many shopping centres in Turkey selling some stunning clothes for a really good price-you are bound to find something for yourself when you go shopping. Such nice clothes that you really could not find here in the UK and certainly not for that price. There are also many wedding dress shops selling the most stunning dresses you can find. I also had the opportunity to go to a wedding. I met up with my cousin in Istanbul, stayed over at their place for 2 nights and went to Ankara to go to a wedding with them. The bride and the people at the wedding looked so beautiful. Several of the women at the wedding were wearing long beautiful, prom-like dresses. Stuff that is very difficult to find in the UK. Even the ladies who worked at the hotel where the wedding was held wore short, strapless black black dresses with a black blazer. Hair looked perfect.
    Another observation which I have made in Turkey is that you hardly see any homeless people. Maybe 1 or 2 refugees begging but everyone in Turkey seems to have a home (most people in the big cities live in apartments). This is a stark contrast to Europe where you see homeless English people (mostly men) on almost every street. I spoke to some people and they said that Turkish gov gives refugees a lot of money even if they don't do anything. They said that they don't even give this money to Turks.
    Istanbul was very crowded. Lots of tourists and refugees. Many people coming to Turkey to get medical procedures done. When I was returning back from Istanbul, I saw at least 5-6 people on the plane who had had hair transplants done, 1 woman sat behind me was saying that she had butt implants done. A man sat next to me had gad a hair transplant for £1,400 (in England it's over £10,000) and he said that it was just amazing. He couldn't believe how good the doctors were and just how many people were travelling to Turkey for eye operations, teeth (I personally know a few), boob jobs, etc. The medical tourism industry there is certainly booming, attracting some 700,000 medical tourists a year.

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  3. Transport in Istanbul was very good. They have newly built trains, underground metro, trams, buses and ferry and to use all of those you just have to put some money on 1 card and you can access all transportation with that 1 card instead of having to buy different tickets for buses, trains, etc. When I went to stay with my cousin in Kucukcekmece, Istanbul, we 2 underground and a bus.
    Wandering around Istanbul and Ankara it certainly looks extremely developed. Lots of tall buildings, stunning architecture, especially all the apartment blocks who are each unique and so colourful.
    Bodrum was very nice. It's no different than being on a little Greek island. People sat outside till late drinking, playing games. Some pretty Westerm looking people. Families coming to the beach to play with their kids in their bikinis, young couples chilling out. in the hotel that I stayed in in Bodrum, there were several Kurdish waiters/cleaners and all seem to be getting along with the Turks. Many speaking Kurdish between them with no problem. A few tried to flirt but I was not interested. They say that Bodrum is a very nice place. One young man was from Cizre and I asked him what the situation there is like and he said that it is good and that the media exaggerates everything. Turkey has some pretty impressive nightclubs. I met this girl and her brother from Ankara at the hotel and we went out some evenings and the clubs are so good. Everyone gets so dressed up, dancing all night, drinking. They look more lively than the ones here in the UK.
    For now, that's all. I will write more later, especially about my lovely family which I was not actually expecting to see. Turkey is certainly not some poor, backwards country. They are living better than Europeans. They have stuff that they need to improve on but from what I can see, Turkey has developed so much under Erdogan. It looks more developed and clean than England/ Walking through some places, you cannot believe you're actually in the Middle East.
    Have a good day :)

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  4. HI ALLY!

    I've been wondering how you made out!
    And it all reads as if you had a great time.Good that you got to see family. I'd though you had not expected to but then you did. Terrific.

    I'm looking forward to your news and will make it all into one post for all to read if that's acceptable to you?

    Glad you had a safe and good trip :)

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    1. Yes, you can share. I have visited Turkey several times before but had not been in a few years. Over the years that I had not been in the country, I had also believed the media/alt's lies but it was good to be proven wrong. Nothing is ever as it seems.
      Maybe you should have a blog email so that people can email you pics and other stuff :)

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  5. Hi Ally
    I do have a blog email and will post it in the sidebar for you to access.
    hold on....

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  6. Never mind, couldn't figure out how to add it in the sidebar

    pennyforyourthoughts2@gmail.com

    send to your hearts content

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    1. I will try and send some images :)

      So travelling through Turkey felt very safe. The people have a very warm and hospitable nature. They are so peaceful. The people also seem to be thriving. Nice luxurious apartments, sooo many BMWs, Mercedes and other fancy cars. Often you see young couples out enjoying themselves, men/women going out with their friends, having a drink, eating dinner/desserts (great food!), going shopping, going to the gym. Lots of women walking by themselves during the night. Lots of sports too, including female volleyball/netball teams. The portrayal of Turkey as this hostile, barbaric, Islamist country is very untrue. People in Turkey were very nice and they went out of their way to ensure that I had a good time. They also have a huge love for animals and do what they can to feed/protect them. Everything from the dinner service to transport seemed to be very efficient and quick. The majority of people in Turkey have a university degree, including women and there are many engineers and doctors.
      The people that I met there were very interested in Western countries and wanted to know more about them. Talking to Turks, they seem to have this perception that Western countries are so perfect but looking at Turkey, it seems to be doing better than most European countries, particularly Eastern Europe. People in Turkey were shocked to hear about homelessness in Manchester. One girl that I met in Bodrum is studying construction engineering in Ankara and she wants to come to Canada or England for a few months to improve her English. I was sat alone in the hotel bar once and she came over to me and asked me to join her and her bro. Her brother is a petroleum engineer/geophysicist and he is away for five weeks and then comes home for five weeks. He tells me that on his ship, there are some English people and he has become friends with them. The boy was 27 and he owned a BMW. The girl and her bro told me that the western media exaggerates a lot of stuff. One bad thing happens and they make it look like it's everyone. The girl had a boyfriend and she drunk alcohol but said that her parents did not drink alcohol. I went to the club with the girl and boy and all in all, they seemed to be living a secular lifestyle and very happy. The girl and man were not supporters of Erdogan. However, they did not agree with his portrayal as a radical Islamist dictator.
      Next, I went to Istanbul. I arrived during the night and a taxi came to pick me up. It took 45 minutes to drive me to my hotel and driving through Istanbul was very nice. Just seeing the lights on the bridge, the huge, tall, almost skyscrapers everywhere. Newly built roads. I was not expecting this. It was my first time in Istanbul. Istanbul has over 4 million Kurds and all seem to be living peacefully.
      They are mostly a conservative Muslim people and Turks that I spoke to had no problem with them. But they do say that the southeastern parts are more conservative/religious. Many honour killings happen in Kurd families.
      Another thing that I noticed in Istanbul were flags of opposition parties. Twice I saw CHP flags hung almost like washings. When I met up with my cousin on the 2nd day in Istanbul, she took me to Istiklal Caddesi and as we were walking down the street which was very busy, she was saying that Istiklal used to have more trees but they got chopped down because the gov was bulding more roads. She also mentioned that near there, the government was planning to build a new shopping centre but decided not to as people protested that it would destroy more nature. So definitely not a dictatorship. The same also happened in a small town called Artvin where the government was planning to build a shopping centre but environmental activists did protested as it would destroy so much nature so in the end, the gov decided not to.

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