Friday, May 29, 2009

Cross-Atlantic tiff over the American torture scandal at Abu Ghraib

The US is having a hissy fit over media reports out of Britian regarding the ABUSE at Abu Ghraib.

White House Press secretary is in a snit:

Robert Gibbs, rattled by Telegraph story, lashes out at British press

This article from the Telegraph is alleged to be the source of consternation.
Allegations of rape and abuse were included in his 2004 report but the fact there were photographs was never revealed. He has now confirmed their existence in an interview with the Daily Telegraph.

The graphic nature of some of the images may explain the US President’s attempts to block the release of an estimated 2,000 photographs from prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan despite an earlier promise to allow them to be published.

The 2004 report being mentioned is the Taguba report.

The Taguba report was released in 2004. Taguba alluded to the rape in this report, now he confirmed there are indeed photos of it.

The British Press is however firing back.

Robert Gibbs should apologise to the British press for his sneering rant

Robert Gibbs' completely unwarranted rant against the British press is an absolute disgrace, and the President should disown his views. An unreserved apology by Gibbs is also in order.

For all its talk of "raising America's standing" in the world after the Bush years, the Obama administration is doing a spectacularly bad job of reaching out to its allies. Unfortunately this is the new face of America's public diplomacy, which will only serve to alienate public opinion across the Atlantic. Congratulations Gibbs - you've just made an enemy out of the entire British media, quite an achievement for the man in charge of selling the President's message.

Don't shoot the messenger. The British Press delivered a report, they are standing by it.

The problem is all the abuse, the torture and the rapes of women and children, conducted under America's watch. That is the problem!


  1. Rather ironic that everything the US Admin used to invade Iraq - ie Saddam's torturing of innocents - is exactly what the Americans themselves have ACTUALLY been doing!!

    Projection anyone?

    Now, they say releasing these photos will endanger troops and the public at large...

    Well gee, never mind that the actual ACT of doing these things is the REAL motivator for attacks!

    Maybe they shouldnt be torturing people??? Has anyone in their WAR cabinet ever thought of that?

    Release the photos Obamarahma you f*n coward puppet!!

    Gosh I am hating Obama more than Bush - I didn't think that was possible!! ARgggghhhhhhh

  2. And all of this seems to surprise people, I shake my head.

  3. Its all about humiliation anyways. Torture a few, humiliate many, weaken them and make them more likely to take further orders to rape and pillage their own people.

    Police become angry because of moral outrage = the moral outrage is directed at the voter because they are ultimately responsible for allowing this all to happen. Its a thought process that they are unaware of I suspect.

  4. Yuh just gotta love this one, it simply has to rank on up with one of the greatest lies ever told.
    The United States on Friday rejected claims by Iranian officials that it was behind the deadly bombing of a Shiite mosque in southeastern Iran.

    "We condemn this attack in the strongest possible terms, and extend our sympathies to the families injured and killed," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said.

    "We note with concern a recent trend of bombings of Shiite mosques in Iraq and Pakistan as well as in Iran and strongly condemn any kind of sectarian driven violence," he said

    "The US strongly condemns all forms of terrorism. We do not sponsor any form of terrorism in Iran and we continue to work with the international community to try to prevent any attacks against innocent civilians anywhere."

    "We do not sponsor any form of terrorism anywhere in the world. Never have, never will," he said when reporters said it could be inferred that United States might sponsor terrorism elsewhere.

    I really do call BULLSHIT on this one.

  5. OMG, silverfish and if you call bullshit on it, it is because it is one hundred percent bullshit!!!
    triple grade AAA

    ""We do not sponsor any form of terrorism anywhere in the world. Never have, never will,"

    If my eyes roll any more ever this they may roll on out of my head.

    Vietnam, Nicaraugua, Elsalvador, Chile to name a few, but there are many, many, many more

  6. and yes, humiliation is an aspect of the torture for sure, I would suspect this was the reason the sickos conducted the torture in front of an audience.
    To both humiliate the victim and the witnesses.
    Also to terrorize, degrade, and generally subject them all to a feeling of being subjugated, all in all pretty sickening!

    I have heard they raped kids in front of their mothers and other women, to traumatize the women.

    That takes a special sort of monster for that.

    In our so called democratic western society we lock them up as pedophiles, in cases of western torture, we justify it to save lives, what bullshit.

  7. oh, and I when I use the term "we" I do not include myself personally in that, it is a general term to indicate the current malaise in our western democracies, being out of touch with reality.

  8. The saddest thing of all here is that there are so many people who will believe it all.



    this has not been a good week.


    verification word:compst

    so I guess it really is all shit.

  9. Penny, Skye cannot reach you. See for yourself:

  10. This whole thing is so SAD. So many peole feel nothing can be really done about it. and if something (anything) can be done to make things better, there have already been so many people hurt, and you cannot undo that.


  11. I used toi think that this use of torture by the US was a recent thing, the result of an urban war fought in an occupied country. Then I looked deeper into it and saw that the USA has for decades TAUGHT countries how to torture. The most horrific torturers in South America since WW2 have been US tained and sponsered. Now I am just amazed that the techniques they have been using on suspected islamists have not been even more brutal. I am ashamed of America and it is not even my country. There is no moral justification for torture, especially not that stupid "iminant threat" arguement. The USA is no better than the worst scum governments found in the worst places around the world. So sad.

  12. Judith, it is sad, I agree.

    It is hard to claim a moral superiority, when one is practicing immorality and inhumanity as routine behaviours.