Tuesday, November 3, 2015

Russian Plane Crash: Unusual Sounds and a Heat Flash via Satellite

Let's address the heat flash first:

Satellite Shows Heat Flash When Russian Metrojet Plane Crashed, But No Missile: U.S. Officials
Video at link above:

A senior defense official told NBC News late Monday that an American infrared satellite detected a heat flash at the same time and in the same vicinity over the Sinai where the Russian passenger plane crashed.
  U.S. intelligence analysts believe it could have been some kind of explosion on the aircraft itself, either a fuel tank or a bomb, but that there's no indication that a surface-to-air missile brought the plane down.
That same infrared satellite would have been able to track the heat trail of a missile from the ground.
"The speculation that this plane was brought down by a missile is off the table," the official said.
I'm leaning towards explosive device planted on the plane. Set on a timer or remotely detonated?
A second senior U.S. defense official also confirmed the surveillance satellite detected a "flash or explosion" in the air over the Sinai at the same time.
According to the official, "the plane disintegrated at a very high altitude," when, as the infrared satellite indicates, "there was an explosion of some kind."
That official also stressed "there is no evidence a missile of any kind brought down the plane."

Unusual or uncharacteristic sounds were recorded 

Cockpit recordings suggest pilots did not manage to send distress signal after sudden situation developed

Russia's Interfax news service has seen a transcript of the cockpit recordings.
The crew had a routine exchange with air traffic controllers four minutes before the aircraft vanished from radar screens, and they did not mention anything unusual or any other object near the aircraft.

  Unusual sounds were recorded in the cockpit as a Russian passenger jet crashed in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula at the weekend, sources told Russia's Interfax news agency on Tuesday.

The news comes after revelations by US broadcasters that satellite images had detected a heat flash at the same time.

The disappearance of the Russian airliner which crashed in Sinai on Saturday was preceded by sounds in the cockpit “uncharacteristic of a standard flight”, according to Russian media.
The Interfax news agency quoted officials in Cairo as providing a first insight into audio recordings from the Airbus 321’s “black box” recorders.
They reported that after a period of routine discussions between crew members, “the recordings show sounds uncharacteristic of a standard flight precede the moment of the airliner’s disappearance”.
According to Interfax, the recordings also suggest "there was a sudden emergency situation on board which took the crew by surprise, and the pilots did not have time to send a distress signal".

You may recall me having difficulties with the contradictory claims coming out of Egypt?
First the plane was safe in Turkish airspace. Then it wasn't. The pilot had made contact. Then he didn't. I found the claim of the plane being in Turkish airspace particularly egregious, because it seemed to be a time buying kind of excuse. Also muddying the waters up a great deal.

Update #1-
Where were the US LaWS ships during the flight ?
Thanks Gallier!  Hadn't heard of this laser weapon previously? Check Gallier's link and also get a load of the latest one pushed by Lockheed Martin

“This test represents the next step to providing lightweight and rugged laser weapon systems for military aircraft, helicopters, ships and trucks.”

There are 3 previous posts from the day the plane crashed

In the past 24 hours there have been a number of other informative posts too:


  1. Where were the US LaWS ships during the flight ?

  2. hey gallier- hadn't heard of that one, but, I will add an article to the post with a hat tip to you, of course!

  3. Penny the mainstream media, like NBC cannot be trusted to tell the truth about what happened to this plane...they are totally in disinfo/propaganda mode. Only Russian sources can be trusted.

    1. GC: No msm sources can be trusted 100 percent- IMO
      Not a one.

    2. And should further clarify that many outlets merely repeat the same info
      example the NBC news is being reported at multiple other outlets


  4. btw: greencrow what do you think of this arrested Canadian
    picked up in Iraq- as ISIS- but fighting with the Kurds in Syria (YPG)
    at the same time an Israeli was arrested with a bunch of other foreigners in Iraq
    along with CBC deleting a relevant sentence

  5. I saw that report in the CBC. The photo of the fighter in the report looked like a "usual suspect"...so I read to confirm my suspicions...no name very sketchy. What was the sentence that the CBC deleted? I did post a comment on the thread saying that Zionists and Kurds were fighting together to Balkanize the region.

    1. The sentence was something like I have in the post- wish I would have gotten it saved sooner- darn it!

      Arrests were ISIS/L related. The only arrests of foreigners around that time I can find reported on is the one I linked from Fars..

  6. Just checked back on that CBC thread and they enabled my post. Got 2 likes. Here's the National Post report that the CBC's was based on:

    Know what I think, Penny? I think all these sorts of reports about volunteers fighting for ISIS/Kurds are recruitment ads for gullible westerners.

    1. That could be part of it, for sure. Some dumb 'do gooder' runs off to be a mercenary for the illusory good guys- I could see it!

  7. US satellite? Maker of the BUK published their report into the MH17 release stating the US had a satellite overhead



    How could the plane have crashed 23 minutes after takeoff and be in Turkish airspace. Would have to be traveling at ~mach 3?


    1. I found the whole claim by the Egyptian about the plane being in Turkish airspace extremely suspicious- it was so dam out there it left me scratchin' my head

      But here is the actual quote from the linked article of that day:

      "Earlier in the day, an Egyptian official with the government's Aviation Incidents Committee told local media that the plane had briefly lost contact but was now safely in Turkish airspace"

      That seemed like the kind of statement made that would delay scrutiny or buy time.. generally mislead

    2. Thanks for bring MH-17 into it. It's amazing how the Amerikan govt. just happen to have a satellite in the area each time but only have pictures from this one. I would think they're lying but my govt never lies;)

      Yes, Penny I think I'll wait for the Russian govt on this one.

    3. Hi jo:

      I do believe, or to my knowledge the US government has vast satellite coverage, globally speaking- so in all likelihood in both cases MH-17 and this most recent crash the US gov has pictures in both cases

      However in this case, it serves their interest to make this claim.
      I think there would be numerous reasons for them to release this info

      One: put big pressure on Russia

      Two: to justify some type of ramped up military intervention in Sinai, particularly good for Israel- part of the remake the Middle East scenario.

      Three: Possibly affecting Palestine/Gaza

      and I'm sure there are other reasons I haven't even considered.

    4. Hi Pen,
      "and I'm sure there are other reasons I haven't even considered."

      - the ongoing peace talks in Vienna. They are creating threats (incl troops in Syria) to gain some leverage where they have little to none.

    5. There appear to be element inside Saudi who at least want to engage Russia. The Iran comments about Jubier are remarkably forthright and offer a somewhat penetrating glimpse juxtaposed against all the talk of Nayef being the 'west's" man.

      "An inexperienced young man in a regional country will not reach anywhere by rudeness in front of elders," Rouhani was quoted as saying by state news agency IRNA on Monday. - Daily star


      He is the Dep.Crown Prince goto and he isn't too inexperienced.

      Turki former press man laid out in his own starkness today: Putin confronts the same issue in Syria as Ukraine. Who will cut the Gordian Knot?

      "Putin knows that the Saudis and Turks will not let Assad remain in power. If he stays, war will continue. If he wins, so will Iran. Neither do they or Qatar want a war that will freeze their interests in terms of trade, oil and gas, nor do they want Iran in Syria. This is not a political stand open to negotiation, but an unchangeable and consistent strategic position."

      Actions inside the Kingdom - see the latest downgrade - belie the confidence of the former media aide to Prince Turki al Faisal.

      Kuwait Emir heading to Russia - Kuwait being the latest in the Hezbollah 'sweeps'

      UAE has already made clear the peg is NOT sacrosanct.

      Ukraine all over again.Putin learned the lesson of concession met with escalation?

      speaking of Turkish airspace,2014 Sisi flight looped around Turkish airspace.


    6. Hi james- there is yet another reason- ongoing Vienna talks
      thanks, I hadn't thought of that one! :)



    1. I've seen that information around, but, had zero time to address it
      good to see aanirfan on top of it

  9. Incident taken place at an altitude of 30,000ft.As per the reports accident happened because of a mechanical failure.But don't know the exact reason behind and Russian authorities are trying to figure out the reason.

    1. figure out some reason, anyway?
      thanks michael

  10. Something else to keep in mind re IDF

    RIA just ran an article warning IDF about US recruitment after Haaretz says JC visit buries the "hatchet"

    Memories of this 2012 US threat assessment

    & Memories of this

    NYT just leaked an article about Israeli planes in Iran space back in 2012 which noted a US carrier brought into the region if 'all hell broke loose" (while a US carrier just left the region)

    Brzezinski wants to shoot down IDF planes on the way to Israel and now Russian planes in theater. Disarmed?

    The story about the Saudi discord showed up in the GUARDIAN. After the Haj incident which of course follows the Qatar issues, the ISIS (and Iraq border threats) and repeat western contractor kills. Saudi stock market in swoon and the S&P just downgraded the country after the IMF warnings of bankruptcy in 5 years. Any wonder the 'King" is going to Russia end of month (after agreeing to buy Iskanders)

    S300 ADS heading to Iran alongside joint Caspian exercises

    Putin warned Israel about the Ukraine option in August

    Most of all Russia-China and Iran looking at barter system outside the dollar [EMPHASIS]...as Russia confirms wheat deliveries to Syria

    US - Russia - rumored Israeli hand in the Ukraine S/A supply to rebels - would open up field of opportunity for IDF options?

    All of which raises the interesting question re IDF: what are those A2A US F15E for?

    1. "Officers and soldiers of Tzahal, as IDF is called in Israel, have recently been warned by the Information Security Department, a counter-intelligence body of the military intelligence, to beware of possible recruitment attempts by the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States, according to a Sunday report by Israeli Channel 2"

      All of which raises the interesting question re IDF: what are those A2A US F15E for?

      I need to think about this? Cause I see the news about the F-15's and air to air combat capabilities- I figured they were moving them in to shoot syrian planes down? Do you have some other idea? Seems so
      Let me know, thanks

  11. hmmm....

    Analysis of Black Box Recorders Says Engine Explosion Caused A321 Crash

    See below on A400

    WSJ: Airbus A400M Crash Inquiry Shows Power to Engines Froze



    Note proximity of A400 to this NYT article

    BND loses the list.

    1. Mean Mister MustardNovember 4, 2015 at 3:28 PM

      "Analysis of Black Box Recorders Says Engine Explosion Caused A321 Crash"
      Your link didn't work - try this one-

      Not terribly credible - they are conflating reports from a variety of anonymous sources.

      I think their story on the rusty Alien drone on Mars has at least as much credibility-

    2. MMM, I am reading your comments, and do thank you for them
      I always have to get them out of spam, but, don't let that stop you from leaving them, I am trying to be diligent :)

  12. a400 cargo crash in spain months ago engine software glitch. Germanwings also had a engine software issue. . Phobos failure and allegations surface of radar ops. GLONASS. Sukhoi superjet crash into mountain demo

    engine software "glitch" as in hack?
    thanks for all the links, much appreciated :)