Saturday, September 10, 2016

Should US Pull Personnel out of Turkey After Coup Attempt ? - Betraying Turkey

 Ambiguous? What party made the coup attempt? And if the US wasn't behind it why would the concern themselves with removing personnel?

This is the first public admission, that the US is furthering the plan (creating tensions) to betray Turkey! Double Cross. NATO betrays an always inconvenient ally. The msm and disinfo alt sites have been pushing 'bad turkey' meme for a while now..  If they are talking pullout of personnel it's because they are doing it!

***In case everyone hasn't already noticed... The US has already been steadily moving personnel from Turkey. March 29/2016: Military families out of Turkey

The Pentagon has cited security concerns for its recall of military families from diplomatic posts and army bases in southern Turkey.

 There are thousands of US military personnel throughout a number of locations in Turkey, with most at the Incirlik air force base near the city of Adana in the south.
No numbers mentioned
September 03/2015: Pentagon Offers Evacuation to 900 US Military Dependents in Turkey
 The Defense Department announced Thursday that up to 900 mostly Air Force dependents were being offered voluntary evacuations from the Incirlik airbase in Turkey
900 mentioned.
It surely looks as if since 2015 the US has been steadily moving military personnel out of Turkey... 900 the first time. Another 900 the second time? More?
Surely the US has withdrawn at least 2000 personnel since 2015.

It's been written about, quite extensively here, that the signs of that planned double cross are there for all to see- Of course, I've been derided by many for having that opinion. Same as occurred when my writings regarding the Kurdish militias were in direct contradiction of the pernicious propaganda regarding NATO's 'fiercest fighters' fighting NATO ISIS allies! It was that absurd and too many people were taken in by it all.

McClatchy & quite an eye opening article
  A powerful California lawmaker wants Congress to consider moving U.S. personnel and military equipment out of Turkey into other Middle Eastern countries in the wake of an attempted coup in Turkey in July.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, the Republican chair of a House subcommittee on emerging threats, said the relationship between Turkey and the United States had changed over the past decade and that Turkey and its president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, could no longer be counted on as an ally.
“Ten years ago Turkey was a solid NATO ally and a staunch opponent of radical Islam and a friend of the United States, and today that’s all in question,” said Rohrabacher, who represents Orange County. “Erdogan is purging pro-Western people throughout his country who are in positions of influence. He himself has become more aggressive in his Islamic beliefs, and there’s reason for us to be seriously concerned.”
In positions of whose influence? NATO's? US? Israeli? Gulen?

 Rep. Dana Rohrabacher- Republican
On Wednesday, Rohrabacher will preside over a hearing whose topic is “Turkey After the July Coup Attempt.” The hearing comes as others are beginning to question the U.S. relationship with Turkey.
On Monday, retired Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove, former head of the U.S. European Command and former top military commander of NATO, will be among the discussants at a seminar on Turkey of a new report, compiled by the conservative Foundation for Defense of Democracies, that suggests options should tensions increase with Turkey.

The U.S. European Command supports 3,700 people in Turkey, about 3,000 of whom are stationed at Incirlik Air Base. Air Force Lt. Col David Faggard, a spokesman for the command, said the number of U.S. personnel based in Turkey “has risen from 1,300 in the beginning of 2015 to roughly 3,000 in July 2016” due to the expansion of the U.S.-led campaign against the Islamic State.

The military coup in July rendered that population vulnerable to the whims of a spurned Turkish president and angry government, said Jonathan Schanzer, one of the report’s authors and vice president of research for the foundation. In the aftermath of the coup, the Turkish government cut off electricity to Incirlik Air Base for more than four days – a move that forced officials to halt anti-Islamic State bombing missions over Syria.

“The goal here is to make sure the United States is not caught flatfooted,” he said. “In other words, if the anti-American sentiment continues, if these policies continue to pose problems for Ankara and Washington, the last thing we want to see is for the United States to not be prepared to make these moves.”

Some of those options include relocating personnel to Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan or perhaps using one of the many bases left empty in Iraq following the drawdown of coalition forces between 2003 and 2011, according to the report.
 Or how about moving them to those new bases being built by the US? Much more convenient to train Kurdish militias & stage attacks against Iran from!  The Puzzle of the US Multi-Base Deal with Iraq's Kurds- One On Iran’s Border

hattip karin: rouge kSeptember 9, 2016 at 7:32 AM
This AP article on Syria is so loaded with kurd factions it's hard for someone who KNOWS there are several to keep up with !!

Penny.. you can have fun with this one while proving your point that it's all Obfuscation (or however you spell that word I can not say worth a damn )

kurds kurds and more kurds It's a kurd fest
and the ammo is only to be used against daesh ;))
 You got it folks the US is training PKK and others in northern Iraq and they've been attacking Iran!!
" An Iranian Kurdish rebel group received military training in weapons and explosives from U.S. and European advisers as part of the international program backing Kurds in the war against the Islamic State group in Iraq, the group's commander told The Associated Press.

The group, called the Kurdistan Freedom Party, is one of several Iranian Kurdish factions that have carried out attacks this year inside Iran"
Back to McClatchy!
Finding alternative basing options for U.S. personnel and military assets is necessary given that the relationship between the United States and Turkey has become increasingly strained, Schanzer said.
“Whether it’s flirting with the Russians, whether it’s flirting with the Iranians, challenging American foreign policy, you know, making it difficult for Incirlik to operate, shutting down counter-ISIS operations over that short period of time – these are the sort of things that should be viewed as a red flag,” he said. “Not necessarily a defining moment where we need to move now, but again, a red flag, and one that should be an indication to military planners that contingency plans should be made.”
We have to wait and see what’s going to happen in Turkey but we do know it’s going the wrong direction. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif.
Not everyone agrees with that assessment.

“Despite the recent signs of instability, Turkey remains important to the U.S. geographically and relationally,” said Rep. Mark Walker, a North Carolina Republican.
“During the coup attempt, our military personnel and assets remained secure. It is unnecessary to consider alternate basing options at this time.”
Walker, who represents North Carolina’s 6th District, along the Virginia border, is a member of the House Committee on Homeland Security. He traveled to the Middle East in July as part of a congressional trip.

 Rohrabacher dismissed the possibility that examining alternative options would cause further friction with Turkey.
“What’s causing any friction that is diplomatic with Turkey are changes that are going on in Turkey, and not what is going on the United States,” he said.
Rohrabacher is full of beans and wieners, me being polite, the US has been doing everything to increase friction with Turkey. Including fomenting a coup!
Turkish diplomats were unavailable for comment Friday. Phone calls to the Turkish Embassy in Washington were met with an English recording: “We’re sorry, the party you have dialed is not accepting calls at this time.”

 A minimal bunch of Flashbacks regarding the impending destabilization of Turkey! Foretold here long before Sibel Edmonds ever spoke of it!:

November 19/2014: Kurd/ISIS Symbiosis: Impending Destruction of Turkey 

(November 21/2014)

Turkey/US: Cat & Mouse. Creating Kurdistan aka Israel 2.0 Has Been A Mass Bloodletting


  1. Replies
    1. Hi Ally: It doesn't look good for Turkey. Sorry to say that. And I do mean that sincerely because I know you have family there.

      The best case scenario... an alignment with China and Russia - a good neighbour policy for real- Purging the traitors (which is clearing annoying US/NATO) and securing the border- keep the people informed of what is on going

      and just maybe..

    2. I've been a bit boggled lately and not able to concentrate well, but it seems to have passed (thank goodness)

      Possibly this will clear the air / or make clearer what Rus and allies are hoping to accomplish.
      It's a 3 part series
      (I just finished part 1 )

      I first read this young man on a Russian website couple of years back. He just gets sharper IMO as he matures and he has an easy to understand way of writing.
      Usually translation from Russian is not all that clear OR translated as well whichever the case.

      @ Ally Hold on ! , there are still adults out there w/ a strategy or two to hopefully make things better in the end game.
      Be safe

    3. thanks karin :)
      I'm going to read it asap

  2. Golan March moves on unabated. Presumably not covered in ceasefire

    1. Yup! should have been, but don't know since it seems the ceasefire is not fully public

  3. I guess thinking the Kurds were just a group of people was not such a simple thing .

    Saying that it was a quagmire may have been a understatement by Cheney . I guess if you wanted to run a deep covert operation in the open then that would be the group to choose .

    1. The kurds can't be construed in any way as a unified group of people- hence the brutality of the PKK being necessary

      and if you wanted to run a deep covert operation out in the open, the Kurds and their mythology are ideal

    2. and thanks for sharing terrytaurus! :)

  4. Turkey is building a new military base right across the border from Iraq

    Turkey to build military base in southeastern city of Çukurca

    to better keep an eye on kurds smuggling, etc through there?

    1. should have waited. this OpEd at the same souce asks
      Why does the US support YPG?

      end sentence:
      "You would have to be stupid or blind not to understand where the developments are taking the issue."

    2. hey karin:
      I managed to read both of them already this that last sentence.

      "You would have to be stupid or blind not to understand where the developments are taking the issue."