Thursday, October 1, 2020

Armenian Foreign Minister to BBC: "If Turkey Interevenes, We'll Respond" IF Turkey Intervenes...

 "If Turkey Intervenes" So, Turkey has not intervened. Clearly. Despite the disinfo circulating.

That's a quote from Armenia's Foreign Minister to BBC in an Interview which is featured below:

 It also needs to be pointed out that while Armenia and her citizens feel Nagarno Kharabak is Armenian- It is in fact internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan.  Don't construe my statement astaking sides, moral or otherwise, I'm just stating facts

The Armenian Ministry of Foreign Affairs released the the following transcript of the BBC interview.

BBC: Minister, I ask you to respond to the Azeri accusation that it was Armenia’s actions that sparked this conflict. 

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: There is absolutely no interest or intention for Armenia or Nagorno-Karabakh to escalate the situation. We have been rejecting the military option for the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. So, it is absolutely unacceptable to enter this blame game. This attack against Nagorno-Karabakh and the tensions remain very, very high at the moment. 

Armenia's FM did not answer the question put to him. He was asked if it was Armenian actions that sparked the conflict- He answers with no interest or intention to escalate.

BBC: When you say the tensions remain very high would you regard it as something that could potentially spill over into a full-scale war? 

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: We have to make every effort to avoid that because that would be a massive destabilization of the entire region and we are rejecting such option. And again we are rejecting the military option for the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. 

BBC: So when you say you are rejecting the military option what are you doing to try and make that manifest? 

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: At the moment the defence forces of Nagorno-Karabakh are left with little option but to defend themselves because they are now confronting massive attacks by the Azerbaijani armed forces across the line of contact between Nagorno-Karabakh and Azerbaijan. At the moment the priority is to repel the attacks of the Azerbaijani forces and to compel them to come back to the negotiating table. 

BBC: Civilians have been killed in this recent spike in the conflict. Do you acknowledge that this region is internationally recognized as being part of Azerbaijan?

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: Nagorno-Karabakh has been exercising its right to self-determination. Nagorno-Karabakh is a historical land of Armenia. The Armenian population in Nagorno-Karabakh they have been subject to massive discrimination throughout the entire period when by way of the decision of the Bolshevik government to transfer it to Azerbaijan. 

BBC: So the answer to that question then is “no”. You do not recognize as the rest of the world does that Nagorno-Karabakh is internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan. 

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: The status of Nagorno-Karabakh is one of the key issues in the negotiating package; is one of the key issues to resolve that through negotiations and through a compromise. 

BBC: You must be very concerned though that this could become a very dangerous and very serious proxy war. President Erdogan of Turkey is not only supporting Azerbaijan, not an easy promising support for Azerbaijan he said that it’s your country-Armenia, which was the biggest threat to peace in the region. 

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: President Erdogan and Turkey have been the most destabilizing factor in this entire situation. Turkey has been effectively projecting its power and destabilizing policies as they were doing across the entire neighborhood to Turkey from the East Mediterranean to the Middle East. They are basically exporting that destabilization to the region of South Caucasus. We do not welcome that and we totally reject that. 

NATO/5 eyes talking point

BBC: It is quite clear though that the Azerbaijani institutions and officials are very concerned about a large shipment of Russian weapons that have been sent to Armenia. Is Russia now supplying Armenia? 

Azerbaijan also purchases Russian weapons - Armenian Weekly: More Russian Weapons Supplied to Azerbaijan

Previously, Armenian authorities had raised concerns regarding similar deals to Azerbaijan, especially after Azerbaijan’s 2016 April offensive. They said that supplying arms to Azerbaijani contradicts Russia’s alliance with Armenia and encourages a military solution to the conflict. However, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev had rejected the criticism, saying that providing weapons to both sides creates a military balance in the conflict.

Last August, Russian President Vladimir Putin denied that Moscow had increased the risk of another Artsakh war by providing weaponry. After implying that oil-rich Azerbaijan could have purchased weapons from other nations, Putin also argued that Russia has been providing Armenia with substantial military aid to Armenia for a long time.

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: Well, Armenia has been making sure that it is fully equipped with all the capacities to defend itself. Armenia is the only guarantor of the security of Nagorno-Karabakh. And we have been working with different partners. 

BBC: Is that a “yes” when it comes to getting weapons from Russia? 

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: We are working with many international partners to secure sufficient capacities for defence of Armenia. And it is preposterous to hear such accusations from Azerbaijan who has been spending billions to arm itself in manifestation of their intention to seek military solution to this conflict. 

BBC: How concerned are you that there may be a Turkish intervention, a physical Turkish intervention in this conflict? 

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: That is a higher risk which is going to be a total disaster for the entire region. They are not welcomed in this region. 

BBC: And what would be your response if they were? 

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: Well, we will be left to face the enemy. 

BBC: The enemy being Turkey?

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: If they do so.

BBC: And in that context how much is Armenia relying on Russia? 

Clearly Turkey has not intervened as of this interview, or as of this date.

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: Armenia is relying on Russia, relying on all its other partners with whom Armenia has relations in terms of defence cooperation. Armenia is working with many other partners. And they have to remind that the peaceful settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is happening within an internationally agreed format of the OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chairmanship, which comprises Russia, France and the US. And each of these countries have a very important role to play, to deter any escalation, any deterioration of the situation. And we are working very closely with all our partners specifically also including the Co-Chair countries. 

BBC: There is suggestion that when your Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan came to power in 2018 that there would be a new impetus in the long-stalled peace negotiations. And yet it does appear that he is adopting the same uncompromising position against Azerbaijan. 

Nikol Pashinyan, a Soros/NED flunkie has zero interest in compromise with Azerbaijan and I definitely come away with the idea he has taken an uncompromising position.

Zohrab Mnatsakanyan: We have engaged in the negotiations back in 2018 in good faith and in strong determination. However, what we have been facing from Azerbaijan is the maximalist position in which the interests and security concerns of Nagorno-Karabakh and of Armenia have been basically denied.

 None of what is occurring is simple. Black or White.

  •  Uncompromising position- seems to be

"“It isn’t very appropriate to speak of a summit between Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia at a time of intensive hostilities,” Pashinyan told Russia’s Interfax news agency. “A suitable atmosphere and conditions are needed for negotiations.”
What is a suitable atmosphere and conditions? What does he mean by that? I take that to mean he's got a goal in mind and he will work to attain that before negotiating. Because now really is the time to negotiate before this get's too out of hand


  1. This is very interesting stuff Penny!

    I'm smelling a rat in this current state of affairs...

    "BBC: It is quite clear though that the Azerbaijani institutions and officials are very concerned about a large shipment of Russian weapons that have been sent to Armenia. Is Russia now supplying Armenia? "

    I know a lot of Armenian people, they all detest Russia. I find it hard to believe that Russia sent any weapons to them... but this is coming from the Azerbaijani's so it can't be accurate.

    This all smells like some kind of manipulation has gone on... even the published original photo of the downed craft looked like an 'art' exibit or 'war photo of the year' ... somethng like that

    I might just be tired out but these escalating tensions and threats... who do they really serve... what is actually going on I wonder... The news outlets keep saying 'this has the potential to spill out into all-out war' and threatens the security of Europe... All THIS... literally out of the blue during this crazy pandemic... doesn't feel right...

    Cypriot-Armenians demonstrated outside the US & Russian embassies yesterday demanding that they 'halt' Erdogan... so what is this really about?

    (aka Confused as usual)

    1. Hey Marie:
      It's accurate. Russia sends weapons to Armenia and Azerbaijan- It's business.

      "The news outlets keep saying 'this has the potential to spill out into all-out war' and threatens the security of Europe... All THIS... literally out of the blue during this crazy pandemic... doesn't feel right.."

      It does have the potential to spill outwards and it could affect the security of Europe and the pandemic is the perfect time for all this- what with everyone hiding in their house or behind their masks-

      See my newest post for more information on what is a complex subject, too be sure!

      can't wait for part 2.
      this is the globe with new borders- the creation of a greater kurdistan, if they can pull it off, will be a boon for US and Israel.

    2. And Marie, you are far more astute then you give yourself credit for.

  2. Sorry to chime in, but a vast majority of Armenians (at least those in Armenia) are actually VERY pro-Russian. Armenia is a member of the Russian led EEU and CSTO. Armenia hosts two Russian military bases. Armenia's military is integrated into Russia's. Armenia largest diaspora is in Russia. Armenia's biggest economic partner is Russia. In the last few weeks, Armenia has actually received around 1000 tons of military supplies, and they were all flown to Armenia from over Iran. Disregard the all English language disinformation you are exposed to. Russia and Armenia are in a tight embrace. Moscow's problem is the current regime. PM Pashinyan will be ousted sooner than later...