Tuesday, February 23, 2021

Talk Therapy Is A Better Treatment for Depression then Big Pharma's “Anti Depressants”

Big Pharma's "anti depressants" are like a sick joke on people who actually consume these things.. "Anti depressants" have a well known side effect (so called) they can actually worsen depression

Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are the most widely prescribed class of antidepressant drugs, and they work by increasing levels of a brain chemical called serotonin. While this boost in serotonin occurs within minutes to hours after an SSRI is taken, patients usually have to take the medication for about 2 weeks before experiencing any relief of symptoms. During this delay, the drug may actually aggravate depression, in some cases even increasing the risk for suicide.
Who can forget all the murders that took place when people took their "anti depressants"?

England’s most popular antidepressants have been linked to at least 28 murders, an investigation reveals.

It also uncovered a further 32 reports of users suffering from murderous thoughts since the 1980s.

 But pay no never mind to the reality of these drugs wreaking havoc on your brain. Let's read the latest report from Forbes, that I'd characterize as  yet another "no shit sherlock" item. 

  It’s so plainly obvious that talking, chewing the fat, interacting with other humans you feel comfortable with and are supportive of you is so much better for you then any stinkin’ pharmaceutical interference. Humans are social. They need face to face interaction. They need to talk in person. This is why the so called pandemic is having such deleterious affects on all of us locked down and terrorized by those governments and their media toadies enforcing repressive medical martial law.

Loneliness and Isolation Killing people sure came to pass- Drug Overdoses, Suicides It's all present- Thanks to the tyranny of good intentions.

March 23/20 : Trump, Making Sense? Social Distancing Contrary To Human Nature; Loneliness & Isolation Kill

“Humans are just really intrinsically social creatures. We are the most extreme example of a species that’s decided that collaborating with others is going to be my entire strategy,”

So important is social connection to humans that the lack of it is terrible for our health. America already has high levels of loneliness, considered a public health hazard in itself even before coronavirus isolated us further.

Forbes: Talk Therapy Better Then Anti Depressants

A new paper published in the journal Cognitive Therapy and Research argues that talk therapy is, in most cases, more effective at treating depression than antidepressant medications.

This conclusion is based on fifty years of data and theory comparing the effectiveness of traditional modes of talk therapy, such as cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), and antidepressant medications, such as Prozac, Zoloft, and other selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) and monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs).
The authors, led by Steven Hollon of Vanderbilt University, point to a series of studies showing that people who talk through their depression with a mental health professional are more likely to (1) reduce the duration of depressive episodes and (2) to address the root cause of the depression, making relapse less common. By their estimates, patients treated to remission with talk therapy are half as likely to relapse following treatment as patients treated with antidepressant medications.
“Depression is the most prevalent of the psychiatric disorders and the second leading cause of burden worldwide,” state the researchers. “Cognitive therapy is the most extensively tested of the psychosocial interventions and has been found to be as efficacious as and more enduring than antidepressant medications.”
Their conclusions speak to the power of talk therapy while simultaneously casting doubt on the efficacy of antidepressant medications. In fact, it is their view that antidepressant medications can in certain cases have an “iatrogenic,” or harmful effect, in the treatment of depression. Here’s a summary of their logic:
    Depression is an “evolved” response to help people find solutions to complicated social problems. The authors view depression as an adaptive phenomenon — one that kept our ancestors “safe” by ruminating about complex social problems until they arrived at a solution. For instance, evidence suggests that people are more likely to engage in causal analysis and deep thinking when they are depressed. Studies suggest that depression-like symptoms such as lassitude and the loss of interest in hedonic persuits serve as the body’s way of redirecting energy to the brain to solve important problems. They state, “In melancholia, energy flows to the cortex and makes it resistant to distraction, presumably to keep the individual focused on the problem at hand (ruminating) until he or she arrives at a solution.”
    Antidepressant medications anesthetize us from feeling the physical and emotional effects of depression. Depression medication may help treat the symptoms of depression, but it comes at the cost of allowing people to identify the problems that are causing the depression in the first place. The authors use a classic experiment from biology to make their point. In this study, a team of scientists examined the evasive behavior of squid in response to an attack by one of their natural predators, the sea bass. They state, “Sea bass eat squid and squid try to avoid being eaten. Each species goes through an intricate series of maneuvers when they encounter one another that involve orientation and approach on the part of the sea bass culminating in attack and protective coloration and evasive maneuvers (including spurting out of an ink jet) on the part of the squid. Survival for the squid depends on how soon it starts its evasive maneuvers once a sea bass appears.” To study the effect of physical pain on a squid’s ability to outmaneuver the predatory sea bass, the researchers amputated squids’ swimmers in a test environment, making them more susceptible to predation. The catch was this: they either performed the amputation with or without anasthesia. They found that the squid that had been operated on without anesthesia started their evasive maneuvers earlier and were less likely to be eaten by the sea bass. Applying this logic to humans, the anesthetizing properties of antidepressant medications may help ameliorate the emotional pain caused by depression, but it doesn’t resolve the underlying “threat” that the depression is calling our attention to.
    Talk therapy gets us to the solution faster. Talk therapy, on the other hand, is a way to reduce the length of a depressive episode by providing a method through which people can root out the problems that are causing their depression. Therapeutic approaches such as cognitive behavioral therapy have been shown to speed up recovery time and to protect people from relapse. While cognitive behavioral therapy may not dull the pain of the depression per se, it is a true treatment for depression, not a mollification.
Whether or not you agree with their logic, there are a number of important learnings contained in their research. For one, it is almost always unrealistic to view medications as a panacea for any psychological disorder. If that were the case, prevalence rates for psychological illnesses would not be nearly as high as they are, especially in countries where prescription medications are widely available. Second, it reaffirms talk therapy as a first line of defense in the treatment of non-psychotic depression. The authors conclude, “Just as pain serves to signal to squids that have been maimed to begin their evasive maneuvers sooner, we think that depression signals to the individual that there are problems to be solved and that focusing attention on those problems (rumination) is the first step toward finding a solution.”

Mark Travers, Ph.D., is an American psychologist with degrees from Cornell University and the University of Colorado Boulder. He can be reached at travers.mark@gmail.com.…

A worthwhile read. 

From earlier today:


  1. From personal experience, I can say without doubt that antidepressants are dangerous. I was prescribed them when I was a young bride because my doctor thought I seemed a bit depressed - and I became suicidal. It's only by some fluke that I survived crashing my car into what I imagined was a tree but was actually a hydro pole so that the power was cut in the whole neighbourhood (and, of course, it got on the radio news, so no privacy there). I was lucky - bruised from head to foot, and a plastic surgeon dealt with the circular injury around my right eye from where my face hit the center of the stearing wheel.

    This is the first time I've said that in public, but it's a very serious issue and people need to be warned! Plus, it's kind of cathartic for me.

    1. Thank you for sharing that bit of personal history. Personally, I'm glad you are around. :)

      This is a very serious issue and people do need to be aware of it- Popping pills and getting injected with toxic concoctions is not the solution and most often it begets an entirely new and worse problem.

    2. Thank you for sharing that, yaya. I, too, am glad you're still here. I only "know" you through the internet, but I like you! :)

  2. As you might remember, my dad killed himself two years ago this past October. He had been on anti-depressants for about five years. He did have problems, as in he was paranoid and occasionally had delusions. However, he once told me several years ago that he woke up every day with a sense of optimism. For about three years before he died he was having problems because the anti-depressants weren't "working" like they did at first. He mentioned once that he thought about driving his car off the bridge over a large river in his town. When I looked at him with alarm, he said, "I'd never do that, it's just that the thought crossed my mind". There were other things. I tried to get the psychologist who prescribed his medication to listen to me. The problem being, he doesn't take phone calls like that. Over time as I tried to explain my concerns to one of the people who worked there, she said he should "call 911 if he's seriously considering suicide". What? Since when do delusional people who are off their meds know to call 911?! So, after the episode that became the beginning of the end for him, I wrote a lengthy letter to his psychologist and medical doctor describing in detail what had been going on. The psychologist never responded. By his doctor's request, I attended what would be my dad's last appointment and last day. His doctor took me to an office to talk about the letter, and said he would get with the psychologist to see what they could do for him.

  3. I need to correct my previous post: his doctor is a psychiatrist not psychologist.

    What these prescribers do is bring you in for an initial evaluation and then prescribe a particular anti-depressant. You come in after a period of time and discuss any reactions you might have had to the medication, how you're feeling now, etc. Then you come in every few weeks and meet with the doctor for about fifteen minutes. The doctor asks you questions about how the medication is working, any side effects, how you feel, etc. That's it. There is no talk therapy; they're only concerned with prescribing medication. They make adjustments if something is not working for the patient, but that's it.

    I worked with someone years ago who clearly had "issues" with herself and with her husband. She decided to see a psychiatrist (much like the pill mill my dad went to). She got no further help, just the prescription. I had always been under the impression that the prescription was supposed to be temporary, that you're supposed to be in some sort of therapy to help you find out what the source of your depression was, but of those people I've known who are on anti-depressants, that is not the case at all.

  4. Penny, Gwen: I like you guys too!

    That story about your Dad, Gwen ... such idiocy on the part of so-called experts! I'm shaking my head in disgust.

    It proves my theory that there's no real help in modern medicine. During my stay in hospital I served as a curiosity for the medical students who would gather around my bed and their instructor would shout at me - "DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE?" I showed them how crazy I was by telling them to get out and leave me alone - and it worked. They were scared of me. LOL The nurses were compassionate; they just sat on my bed and we talked about this and that and they knew I was reasonably sane, and in charge of my faculties.

    By the way, the drug was Elavil, and it's still going strong. They tell you to call your doctor if you're still feeling suicidal. Too bad I didn't have a car phone, eh? LOL

  5. I am late here - way back in my undergraduate years there was a paper that elicited much interest in clinical psych circles with a title something like: "Psychotherapists as Friends for Hire" - the title says it all: modern humans seek talk therapy with white-coated specialists whereas their pre-modern predecessors sought talk therapy with friends and family members. (there is touching account of such a session in Emerson's journals).

    Interesting notion to ponder at a time when friendships are prohibited, at least inhibited by law. How does that work in the UK? - the state determines how many other individuals can be in your "bubble" and can then dictate when you are permitted to associate with the bubble and when you must disassociate from it. The very language is absolutely hateful!

    I also want to make a gesture to those commenters here who have shared personal accounts. I just shudder when I hear of those who are imprisoned by these psychotropic poisons.

    1. Hi Yaya, Gwen and RegretLeft:

      Yaya and I are from Canada and we have the so called "bubble" nonsense here. Gwen is American, I'm not sure if they do the bubble mind control there?
      Have you had it inflicted on you?

      I've continued to do what I do. What I need to do. Bubbles be damned!

      "The very language is absolutely hateful!"

      You are so right the language is hateful. So much of this psyop is hateful and damaging to human kind. I think it's intentionally damaging. And it needs to stop! And the only way that will happen is if we stop it.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts :)

  6. Thanks for sharing this. It is important for someone I live dearly.

    1. I think you meant love dearly and you're welcome

      hope you are well bman?