Monday, April 12, 2010

Deadheading the Polish government Pt 2

As I wrote the first part of this post, I realized it was going to be much longer then anticipated and was going to require a second part.

The first post contained background, a 'whose who' on the dead, and the many political ties of Poland.
I will admit whole heartedly I can't rule out some kind of coup or mass assasination plot at this time.
One really never should. The number of important people on one plane, could have provided an opportunity to rid oneself of an impotent or uncooperative government in a cleaner manner then a military coup or colour revolution. Who really knows?

I did some reading on the plane. The Tupolev Tu-154. Most often described as aged and prone to accidents. However, I came across a number of articles, here and below, that indicated the plane had been completely refurbished, new engines etc.,

The plane carrying Kaczynski was refurbished and repaired last year, according to Alexei Gusev, general director of Aviakor Factory, the company that performed the service.
"Speaking openly, we believe that this tragedy could not have been caused by equipment failure," he said.
So unless there was some kind of sabotage, equipment failure seems to be a dead end.

How about the Pilot?
By all accounts the Pilot was repeatedly informed to not land. Yet, he persisted in landing.

It has been reported the crew of the plane were infact offered three alternative aiports to land at, as a result of the dense fog conditions. They opted instead to continue the flight in order to assess the weather situation.

Two Belarussian airports - Minsk and Vitebsk - as well as Moscow Vnukovo were suggested to the pilots said Russia's presidential plenipotentiary representative Georgy Poltavchenko
Poltavchenko, who was among the delegates waiting to receive the aircraft, states that he was informed that the weather conditions were "difficult", with visibility below 400m - and possibly as low as 100-150m.
But he says the flight crew considered they had sufficient fuel to continue flying to the Smolensk terminal area, to "look around, and then decide".
"Then we were told that they were going to land," he says, adding that the Tu-154 was not heard approaching before there was the noise of an impact. He says the sounds were "strange" and "not typical" of a crash.

Air transport regulator Rosaviatsia's chief, Alexander Neradko, told Putin during the briefing that visibility was below the minimum of 1,000m.
Neradko says the Tu-154 struck an 8m-tall tree at a distance of 1,200m from the runway. At this distance the tri-jet should have been at a height of 60m, he says, the standard for a 3° glideslope.
"The aircraft proceeded to strike more trees, broke up in mid-air, hit the ground and exploded," he adds.
No indication has been given, during the briefing, on whether the crew attempted to abort the landing. Earlier information had suggested that the Tu-154 had been executing a go-around.
Strange sounds, not typical of a crash? Is this important?

Another possibility for the Pilot ignoring the orders from the air traffic controllers lies in the Polish Presidents' previous behaviour. He may have ordered the Pilot to make the landing despite the dicey conditions. So was the Pilot being pressured to make the landing?

Still, attention has been drawn to the pilot’s state of mind because of a previous incident involving the Polish president, Lech Kaczynski.
In August 2008, during Russia’s brief war with Georgia, Mr. Kaczynski got into a dispute with a pilot flying his plane to the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, according to reports at the time. Mr. Kaczynski demanded that the pilot land despite dangerous conditions, but the pilot disagreed and diverted to neighboring Azerbaijan.
Mr. Kaczynski threatened that there would be consequences for the pilot, the Polish newspaper Dziennik reported. “If someone decides to become a pilot, he cannot be fearful,” Mr. Kaczynski said. “After returning to the country, we shall deal with this matter.”
Was this crash the result of Kaczynski's demands?

There is no way of knowing what was going on in the plane, or in the pilots mind. Because, like all the others he died in the crash.

I feel it is important to mention that a push is on to quickly name a central banker replacement. Despite all the pomp and circumstance over the death of the President, the absolute importance of the countries central banker cannot be discounted, ever.
Poland Must Name Central Bank Head Immediately, Official Says
Much more important then a new President!
Poland must immediately replace central bank Governor Slawomir Skrzypek, who died in the April 10 plane crash.The economy and concern for the country’s finances require a quick decision and the authorities have started handling the matter.
Bronislaw Komorowski, who assumed Presidency said “we need quick decisions, because the governor calls meetings of the Monetary Policy Council, and that body oversees exchange rates, a role absolutely essential to the functioning of government.”
Seems so odd...this priority.


By all accounts the Russian government is going out of their way to cooperate, to investigate along with representatives from the Polish government.

I spent some time surfing around on the net. Alot of fingers are pointing at Russia and the Russian government surely must be aware of how this entire situation appears to the public and possibly to other heads of state.

At this point in time, I will say, nothing may be as it seems. Given Russia's warming of relations as of late, the newest natural gas deal with Poland. I would hesitate, if this was some kind of coup attempt, to point my fingers at Russia.

Related posts- aangirfan: Jewish Delegation Cancelled Journey on Doomed Plane

16 comments:

  1. Pen,

    It's as obvious a putsch as I have ever seen.

    A perfectly good plane with TRIPLE overrides for navigation cannot make the maneouvers described by the mass media when landing.
    Any plane, especially a first class aircraft (please don't believe one word about how it was old or prone to accidents), can land in fog - they do it all the time.
    Does it sound plausible that a plane carrying the president and military leaders of a country would ignore a request to land somewhere else?
    The president had resisted for a long time the natural gas and oil pipelines the Russians wanted, and had been fairly adversarial towards Russia, attempting to engender self-reliance.
    Poland, under this leadership, had distanced itself from the EU and was actually one of the few if only states that was actually recovering financially as opposed to going further and further into debt.
    The plane had just gone through an entire check and overhaul . . . in Russia. Remote piloting, anyone?

    Putin, former head of the KGB (now NKVD) is heading the investigation . . . controlling all the information outflow.
    And guess who's going to be able to step in quite quickly to take over the country - Putin's man, Donald Tusk. And of course the proper head of banking so that Poland can quickly steer itself back to the debt slavery of the rest of the EU (count on it).

    The plane was going to Moscow to commemorate the Katyn Massacre by an unrepentent nation (Russia has never formally apologised for the massacre), and in the ultimate irony, the plane - holding some survivors of the actual Katyn massacre 70 years ago - is itself massacred by the head of the same nation.

    There are many, many more 'coincidences' and numerology and 'illuminati' symbolism . . . you don't have to look very far or dig very deep for it.

    An inside job assisted by a foreign power. Sound familiar?

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  2. Yo Pen,

    Suraci has some worthwhile remarks too.

    http://suraci.blogspot.com/2010/04/polands-next-president.html

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  3. hey slozo;

    excellent comment, thanks.
    I agree completely that there is good reason to be suspicious.
    Given the political expediency of this accident, how can one not?
    Actually I don't buy the prone to accidents or old angle.

    "Does it sound plausible that a plane carrying the president and military leaders of a country would ignore a request to land somewhere else?"

    I would think it wouldn't but, then we have the noted incident in Georgia.

    "The president had resisted for a long time the natural gas and oil pipelines the Russians wanted"

    But they did go ahead with an agreement.

    I read about the Katyn massacre.It's mentioned in the first part, I think.

    An inside job, I won't discount it.

    The only problem I have is it is all not as clear to me, as it is to you who would have benefitted from this?

    For example: the pipeline deal, now sits unsigned. How is this to russia's advantage?

    The fact that this PM had lobbied hard for US missiles, becoming a lame duck in Poland, would see him less valuable to western allies then to Russia.

    If Putin's man as you call him Donald Tusk, will take power, would he not have taken power without the plane crash?
    It seems he would have.

    I can't call it myself, not yet. there will be beneficiaries no doubt, but, I am just not sure who, right now.

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  4. good morning edo!
    will check that out, thanks!

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  5. edo, that is interesting so this blogger thinks this fellow is the next winner

    Radosław Sikorski

    going to keep my eye out for that name.

    OH and he is very well connected, isn't he

    If anyone else checks in be sure to read the link Edo left, another piece of the puzzle?

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  6. Pen I'm not calling this one... However of one thing you can be sure, if the Americans and the Jews call it an accident then it was not an accident.

    Also if the Americans or Israel or Britain start to blame Russia for this event then one can be assured that the Russians had NOTHING whatsoever to do with it.

    One must remember that there are other players in this game.

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  7. hey silv, I think it is worth waiting to see how this unfolds.
    It shouldn't take long.

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  8. I think we're getting hung up on nations as perpetrators. It's not about countries but people. Those sympathetic to the global ideal, unified currency, and dictatorial one world government.... and those that believe in the Nation state ala Lech Kaczynski. To me this seems as a signal that, "you're either in, or you're dead" type of message.

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  9. I'm with Edo and Silverfish on this one. There's been too many planes falling out of the sky lately to tales of fog and all sorts of things that prove not to be quite true, if true at all.
    Given that Mossad/CIA perpetrate 99% of the terrorism in the world and their media is like a lying windsock that always points the wrong way and so becomes very reliable once you twig to this, I'd say it is exactly what it looks like - mass political assassination.

    It just fits. You have to start twisting yourself around to make anything else plausible. Your mind wants to think "they wouldn't dare", "they wouldn't be that brazen". But they would and they are. You know that.

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  10. Loading virtually ALL of a government on board a single plane? Polish jokes anyone?
    Not one serious government would do that, even in something as bone headed as the US the so called president and vice crook are NEVER in the same plane together, it's just not done and there are simply Soo many reasons why it is not done.

    Talk about putting all of the eggs in one basket. Ooops dropped it, shucks darn don't yuh just hate it when that happens?

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  11. Hey Edo:

    Lech Kaczynski I am not getting the impression he was anything but a one world player.

    EU membership, NATO member, these organizations have owo written all over them.

    The lobbying for missiles in Poland.

    He just didn't seem to be really and truly a nationalist.

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  12. James, I am not in disagreement, In fact I have said repeatedly there are very good reasons to be suspicious. IN fact there is a plane load of dead people.

    I am just not sure who is playing who or what, and who is going to end up benefitting here.

    The first thing that came to my mind in fact was Paul Wellstone and getting 'Wellstoned"
    was there not supposed to be some inclement weather involved in that suspicious and politically expediant 'plane crash'?

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  13. Apologies, Penny. "You know that" was not aimed at you but rather the wider readership. At least in my mind anyway, but it didn't come out that way. I'm afraid it was one of those "senior moments"!

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  14. james, no apology necessary.
    but thank you anyway.

    I admit I was unsure so better to clarify then have a misunderstanding.

    If anyone here doesn't go to aangirfan, I wanna drag a commment that gallier left over there.

    It is interesting and worth borrowing

    Merci Gallier!

    gallier2 said...

    Just a little factoid as brain teaser. Did you know that the same people that undersigned the Katyn investigation commission in the USSR in 1943 also undersigned the forensic investigation of Auschwitz?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Burdenko

    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/History/Articles/SovietCharges.html

    BTW: the archives concerning Katyn were freed by Gorbatchev but those concerning Auschwitz will remain locked at least until 2050. Interesting isn't it?

    Yes Gallier that is interesting.

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  15. "I would think it wouldn't but, then we have the noted incident in Georgia."

    Says who? Convenient of course that this story cannot be refuted now.

    "But they did go ahead with an agreement." (on the oil and gas pipelines)

    Yes, after Putin's stooge was placed in there - it was Tusk who pushed that forward.

    "For example: the pipeline deal, now sits unsigned. How is this to russia's advantage?"

    A formality, obviously it will go through unhindered now with a new, already 'waiting in the wings' gov't that will serve as Putin's lapdog. It is to Russia'a advantage because now they can fully rape Poland of whatever they want, whereas before they were dealing with a real patriot of the Polish people.

    "The fact that this PM had lobbied hard for US missiles, becoming a lame duck in Poland, would see him less valuable to western allies then to Russia."

    The PM - Tusk - was the lame duck. He had usurped Kaczynski's twin brother in a bit of chicanery and legal wrangling. Kaczynski was very popular, actually, a real man of the people and a big time patriot. In the end, the missiles didn't go there anyways, it was all just a charade, just propelling the east/west and US/Russia conflicts and tryig to build up opposition between the two populaces. Just propaganda, nothing more, nothing less.

    There is no "west" per se anyways, as I am sure you agree . . . there is only media repetition of what supposedly the west represents - democracy, freedom (see: tyrrany of might, terrorism). Everything that our western media says about the east is pure negative propaganda, making them out to be cardboard villians.

    "If Putin's man as you call him Donald Tusk, will take power, would he not have taken power without the plane crash?
    It seems he would have."

    Sorry, I may have confused things - I meant that Tusks cronies (Putin puppets) would fill in the blank spaces. Tusk is already in place as PM through the legal shenanigans . . . it's just that things were being made difficult when Kaczinsky appointed people (other Polish loyalists, nationalists) that were making plans difficult.

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  16. Hey slozo:

    Regarding the story about the president in Georgia, if the pilot is alive, he could verify or refute it?

    "There is no "west" per se anyways, as I am sure you agree . . . there is only media repetition of what supposedly the west represents - democracy, freedom (see: tyrrany of might, terrorism). Everything that our western media says about the east is pure negative propaganda, making them out to be cardboard villians."

    I won't disagree with any of that slozo!

    You may be interested in the news of a dispute between the central bank and the government.

    I find that, quite interesting.

    It seems the Polish government under Kaczynski, wasn't a larger share of bank profits to pay down the debt.
    If the governor of the bank was going along, he most certainly would have to be gotten rid of along with a government that wanted to much from this powerful cartel.

    It is the first piece of news I have seen that presents motive.

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